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The EQS change for 1Ks is terrible. I've only done 1K once on segments (and that was with 10-12 DEQS), and it was not pleasant. Seriously, we're not talking MRers here, but hard-core business travelers and the occasional leisure traveler who sticks with UA despite living in a non-hub city.
This year, I'll finish with over 100,000 EQM but around 56 EQS. I wouldn't even make 1P on EQS, and I'm tired of being on planes. Someone who made 100+ EQS is probably booking more trips and probably yielding more CPM to UA than someone making it by EQM. |
The Delta-fication of United continues. Some "benefit" - kind of like saying getting laid off is like getting a much welcome "vacation."
Looking forward to more "enhancements." With less US international airline carriers around - less incentive to innovate and compete for customers on the FF program front. |
Originally Posted by fastair
(Post 15162078)
So here is my take on the EQS thing. For people that can fly between lcc cities that ua does not, it is far too cheap to obtain status. Keys look at stl-mke. Right now there is a sale fare of $44, and a regular fare of $58. Foundering booked at those prices net UA $81.86 and $107.90 after the excise tax has been backed out. That on the sale is $20.41 per segment. Let's call it $20 as some will have discounts/certs. That is 1k on $2000 under the current program. Far too cheap for the benefits. Lccs dominate many more markets pricing today that 30, 20, or even 10 years ago. Now many short haul routes can be very expensive too, but the quick, cheap segment run to achieve valuable benefits at very cheap prices is IMHO way too easy. The revenue based program would rock, and GS in some forms fit this, but the other elite levels, in markets with LCC pricing, need to have the barriers to SWU accrual raised. This is a start in a good direction that unfortunately be bad for some high yield segment flyers.
So really, they are trying to market towards the longer-haul frequent business flyer (even if they don't provide the company with as much annual revenue as some others they are dinging with this). I also would argue for those who have enough time on their hands and the desire to scout out and fly enough short-segment sale routes to make 1k (25 four-segment trips or do the math on other combos all timed to sales), then so be it. IMO I would doubt there are enough of these flyers out there to make a measurably detrimental impact on "true" 1ks. |
So, all those saying the loss of CR1's now that there are UDU's is not that big of a deal.....ahem, is it just me or did I miss them saying that UDU's will continue??? Remember, UA was ADAMANTLY opposed to free upgrades for many years after they were available on CO, DL, NW, etc.
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This is just the beginning. Just Wait And See. It appears they're going to do it one cut at a time and hope we don't notice. They're going to take the Worst of both programs and combine them. If we don't like it, they'll tell us: "Let them eat cake"
Call me negative if you like. I really do hope that someday you can call me wrong. |
Nothing for us here, perhaps it is time to move along.
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Originally Posted by akatuva
(Post 15161785)
This is a sharp kick in the groin to 1k EQS flyers. I am based in LAX and fly most frequently to DFW and then often from DFW to other east coast points. I. like I think most 1k segment warriors, have endured many more 3-hour CRJ700 trips than one should have to endure, all out of maintaining loyalty to UA.
I'm not particularly keen on having to add 20% more CRJ trips to maintain status when AA offers better mainline service to where I want to go, a minimum of 16 F seats on every mainline flight and an easier requal path to EXP. |
By the way, if you all look at the CO Program change:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/15155088-post1.html The CO PP (equivalent to United GS) will lose the fee-waiver for the credit card due to "banking regulations". So to all 1K, you will lose the $65 credit card annual fee waiver as well in 2012 (as I think)... |
Originally Posted by Renard
(Post 15162413)
This is just the beginning. Just Wait And See. It appears they're going to do it one cut at a time and hope we don't notice. They're going to take the Worst of both programs and combine them. If we don't like it, they'll tell us: "Let them eat cake"
Call me negative if you like. I really do hope that someday you can call me wrong. For me, it's a sad day having been a loyal United flyer since the 1950's. Time to move on... -Cyborg |
When do UDUs kick in?
Trying to wade through the communication from UA, and have already sent in my two cents worth to 1K Voice.
What I'm trying to figure out is that it sounds like one needs to fly 25k miles in 2011 BEFORE being eligible for UDUs. As a 1K now I get UDU from day one: my first flight of the year in eligible. How do others read that...maybe I'm just paranoid? |
Originally Posted by ontherun
(Post 15158272)
:td: A very unhappy 1K Segment flyer here. I guess I'll just have to look at how my 125EQS would benefit Southwest or /AADelta out of BWI next year. :td:
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Sigh... looks like the same spin I got when Delta and Northwest merged.
Cuts to bennies that people liked, and the line drawn btwn the CO (DL) people and UA (NW) people. Going down that dark road, again... |
The way I look at it is, the more benefit they cut the easier the decision for me to fly other airlines. As a 90% intl 1K flyers on my own dime, losing CR1 not the end of the world to me. The new program as mentioned by others already allows me not to make a concerted effort to fly UA metal next year just to earn the CR1s (usually I gave them to my family anyway). Most of my flights are on 744 and the E+ is no better than typical OZ Y seat. With SWU upgrade on routes I flew is next to impossible (failed 4 H fare upgrade on ORD-HKG and SFO-HKG/NRT) already. And W fare on other routes (SYD/MEL) usually cost $1k + over the lowest economy ticket. I might just divert the other 50K miles to other *A program or other alliances.
The kicker is I have never seen a thread with one sided negative responses like this before. Even Glenn Tilton had a few cheerleaders from time to time :p As the old saying go, be careful what you wish for. You want change, now you get one and you might not like it. |
I'm a 150k to 200k mostly Intl 1k. So the changes looks good to me.
Fewer 1Ks competing for UDUs and Int'l UGs because of the higher EQS requirement. Get at least 8 CR1s and maybe more (even though I usually don't use them all). Understand this is not a good deal for the domestic 1Ks. Also not sure I understand the rationale for UA to do this. Maybe domestic yields are pretty good so they're focused on trying to keep the Int'l FFs happy. |
Originally Posted by 5khours
(Post 15162752)
I'm a 150k to 200k mostly Intl 1k. So the changes looks good to me.
Fewer 1Ks competing for UDUs and Int'l UGs because of the higher EQS requirement. Get at least 8 CR1s and maybe more (even though I usually don't use them all). Understand this is not a good deal for the domestic 1Ks. Also not sure I understand the rationale for UA to do this. Maybe domestic yields are pretty good so they're focused on trying to keep the Int'l FFs happy. 8 VIPs v.s. 6 SWUs. In addition, there is no W fare requirement. It means I don't need to gamble. |
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