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sbm12 Nov 16, 2010 2:19 pm


Originally Posted by mechteach (Post 15160247)
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Did you and channa really just agree on something?!? ;)

It happens every now and then, generally when we're both right about something. :p


Originally Posted by mechteach (Post 15160247)
I thought that AA was the only one that counted CC spend. Is the same really true for CO as well?

If you carry the CO PPlus MasterCard you earn 1000 FlexEQMs for every $5000 spend. Those count to MM in the CO system when applied to your account.

epiding Nov 16, 2010 2:25 pm

write to UA!!
 
EVERYONE WRITE TO 1KVOICE to complain!!! <[email protected]>

...also, hit up the UNITED PR with PM emails!!!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/members/united-pr.html

as FTers, we've been able to reverse the proposed meals-cancellation on TATL flights, so we can reverse this too!

who's with me?!

SHARE AND PASTE YOUR PROTEST/COMPLAINT EMAILS HERE

NCommander Nov 16, 2010 2:36 pm

Read through the entire thread. I have mixed feelings on this, I'm 1P right now on status match, will likely make 1K on miles next year, and this feels like a slap to the face; US Airways did this a few years ago and greatly ticked off their elite base. Nice to see UA making the same damn mistakes ...

As I have limited vested interest in staying with UA, I'm eyeing this very carefully; if this is the only major devaluation of MP, its tolerable. If E+ goes, I'l history; I'll go to US, and fly UA as *G on TPAC.

Won't go back to Delta, and can't go to AA easily.

HoosierDaddy1987 Nov 16, 2010 2:39 pm

Let the devaluation games begin
 
Anyone else see this?

http://www.united.com/page/article/1,,53656,00.html


OK so it keeps the some of segment flyers out of 1K - but for those folks in 1K who fly 25K miles / quarter it cuts in half the CR1s (from 8 to 4) at the 100K BIS level - and gives them to folks at the 75K BIS level... It will now take 150K BIS to get the same 8 CR1's...this is not expanding the pie or rewarding loyalty - but re-distributing the pie.

:(

blug Nov 16, 2010 2:43 pm

wow, amazed to see the number of 1Ks acting like spoiled kids.

In the past year you got UDU, one way *A award, and *Net blocking has become much rarer. Now you lost a few CR-1s and everyone is whining like crazy? :confused:

The MP program is still way more competitive than SM and AAdvantage, imo.

demkr Nov 16, 2010 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by blug (Post 15160797)
wow, amazed to see the number of 1Ks acting like spoiled kids.

In the past year you got UDU, one way *A award, and *Net blocking has become much rarer. Now you lost a few CR-1s and everyone is whining like crazy? :confused:

The MP program is still way more competitive than SM and AAdvantage, imo.

Exactly what I said--what are they going to do when they switch to AA and don't get a $250 e-cert for not being given a Hindu meal or lack of doubledecker aircraft w/ sleeper seats for midcons? :o

uastarflyer Nov 16, 2010 2:46 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 15160086)
Interesting set of reactions on the CR1s

UA/CO 75K-99.999K flyers get CR1 (they probably consider this a plus)

This is incorrect. This is only for those who are qualifying for that EQM level for the first time (or after an absence).

For CURRENT 1Ks, they get shafted their first 75K EQM in 2011. I am one of those folks. That is possibly 8 CR1s I don't receive in '11 if I only ring up ~50-60K next year, v. current policy.


UA/CO flyers >150K get more CR1s than before (If they can use all of them then likely to consider as a plus)
Maybe, maybe not. Need to consider the timing. The timing is much friendlier now.


CO flyers now get CR1s -- assume they will consider that a plus
There is no CO. There is UA. this is a temporary benefit, then it's the new baseline.


CR1 earning is back to YTD not quarterly approach -- seasonal flyers will probably consider that a plus
Yes.


So the problem group is UA 100K-124.999, 125K-149.999K which will get 4 or 2 less CR1s respectively
And current 1Ks that have a transpac planned for Q1 and a p.s. or Hawaii trip (or any domestic trip) in April. They just got hosed.


Also for those that keep talking about a total CO takeover. Seems like the plan coming forward (CR1s, SWU on w or higher fares, ... ) has mostly an UA feel. The benies at 75K seems to be approach to keep the CO Plats happier. Pretty much what I would expect in a merger, a little of this, a little of that, some individual changes but overall a much more MP feel.
This is the "too cute by a half" disaster. Added complexity, reduced flexibility.

And even looking at CR1s by the airline is so myopic. They have a new huge international network. Why are they pissing about over such inconsequential stuff (in the landscape of the airline), hacking off customers unecessarily, instead of focusing on how to make customers want to choose UA for international travel? Small ball, Jeffrey style.

The logo change is epic fail. Yet who knew that would be the best of the changes from the merger? :td: :mad:

mechteach Nov 16, 2010 2:48 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 15160343)
If you carry the CO PPlus MasterCard you earn 1000 FlexEQMs for every $5000 spend. Those count to MM in the CO system when applied to your account.

Wow, I didn't realize that. Thanks for the clarification!

zabes64 Nov 16, 2010 2:51 pm

Added a Facebook Community:

ByeBye United Maybe we can get enough People to show UA we're serious? Just an idea

Thunderroad Nov 16, 2010 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by uastarflyer (Post 15160858)
And even looking at CR1s by the airline is so myopic. They have a new huge international network. Why are they pissing about over such inconsequential stuff (in the landscape of the airline), hacking off customers unecessarily, instead of focusing on how to make customers want to choose UA for international travel? Small ball, Jeffrey style.

Excellent point. On balance, perhaps some marginal direct revenue gains while alienating an important segment of the high revenue customer base and severely reducing a previous advantage over competitors. Small ball, indeed.

escapefromphl Nov 16, 2010 3:01 pm

One change is that there is no requirement to do BIS on United to get the CR1's. US must be liking this change.

pigx5 Nov 16, 2010 3:01 pm

United, thank you for taking away 4 of our CR-http://pigx5.com/tmp/fin/002.jpg

It's time to fly ----- AA.
The dAArk side is a much friendly sky now.

LilZeppelin Nov 16, 2010 3:08 pm

If you are a government flyer, and UA is big on government contracts, and if you can get by wasting taxpayer money by consistently booking into YCA rather than VCA, you would have some pluses in the new CR1 allocation: Class-of-service miles did not count towards the 10K quarterly minimum, and now you'd only need 16.7K BIS and would not have to worry about timing to get the CR1s after 75K. Also, big business class spenders, as noted before, has less of an incentive to book into United (CR1s and 1mm uncertainty).

kb1992 Nov 16, 2010 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by uastarflyer (Post 15160858)
This is the "too cute by a half" disaster. Added complexity, reduced flexibility.

And even looking at CR1s by the airline is so myopic. They have a new huge international network. Why are they pissing about over such inconsequential stuff (in the landscape of the airline), hacking off customers unnecessarily, instead of focusing on how to make customers want to choose UA for international travel? Small ball, Jeffrey style.

+1

That's what happens when a glorified regional carrier CEO takes over a combined huge global airline.

Small ball. Inconsequential stuff.

Instead of focusing on customers flying int'l on UA, they are pissing off many 1Ks.


They even put a spin on this as a "benefit" --- typical CO style.

socalsun Nov 16, 2010 3:10 pm


Originally Posted by escapefromphl (Post 15161128)
One change is that there is no requirement to do BIS on United to get the CR1's. US must be liking this change.

Good point. More reason to book intl Z fares on other *A carriers as well.


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