My goodness so much negativity and pessimism in this thread. I find myself not nearly as upset as most of you on the CR1's..sure it's a take away but it could have been much worse.. like fewer SWU's. I'm also fine with the new 75k level.... I plan on being 1K so the new level doesn't really make much difference to me.

One disclaimer.. I have always earned 1K on EQMs, not EQS. I would probably be upset if I were an EQS 1K as it's a pretty steep increase.

I don't understand how so many are predicting armageddon based on a relatively minor take away in 1K benefits (fewer CR1's). Way too pessimistic.

Many have wondered about what will happen to the MM benefit of two CR1's per year.. while I don't know for sure, I'm very optimistic that those will continue. Others have speculated/desired that MM should be given some kind of priority in the upgrade pecking order. MM does nothing for upgrade priority now and I seriously doubt that will change. And it would be absolutely shocking to me if suddenly MM's were given the new 75k status level for life. I'd most certainly welcome it, but it just isn't going to happen.

All in all I'm OK with these changes.

My general reaction (because of my own situation) was essentially "eh."

I've been 1K lite the past several years. Because there was no double EQM this year, I will revert back to 1P.

It is unlikely that I will be flying enough in the forseeable future to be
1K (perhaps ever again).

So, the loss of the CR1s doesn't mean anything to me for the next several years (or perhaps forever). And, if there are fewer with high status than me (and I recognize that there will now be a new class of 1P likely with higher status), perhaps the UDU will work for me.

I am actually curious to see how the UDUs work out of/into HNL for 1Ps--up to now I have always used CR1s.

If I were a 1K again, however, I would be unhappy, as the CR1s were important to me.

All that being said, I have just one final comment (which is not meant as a criticism of anything posted here): Over the last 28 years, because of Mileage Plus, Mrs. hawaiisloth and I have travelled all over the world on vacation, generally in first class, for free. Many, many, many free trips. I have, during much of that time, been able to upgrade my paid business travel--for free. First class isn't what it once was (what is), but the benefits I have gotten from Mileage Plus have been huge, and I have never been someone who pays (even on business) anything but the cheapest fares on UA I can find. So, if Mileage Plus went away tomorrow, I am still very, very thankful for what I have gotten out of it.

I agree. This is not HUGE. The loss of 4 CR-1s is disappointing, but ultimately rewards those who fly more. Besides, with UDU, I hardly use CR-1s anymore.

You would use CR-1s if you lived in New York.

Nope. It is still horribly misleading and inaccurate.

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If they kept the old UA system then no one under 10K would have CR1s, right?
If you bother to actually understand this program rather than simply accepting the rhetoric/FUD being spewed here you might realize that it doesn't actually work that way.
Sure, you can buy up the fare difference today from your paid fare to the lowest available forward cabin fare. If you think folks are going to be handing over thousands of dollars at OLCI for the upgrade then I think you're quite mistaken.

Actually it is UA that offers UFC on international routes at a significant discount, not CO.

As I understand it, assuming it is an ATI-covered route they pool and share the revenue. There might be some bias in the sharing proportions (I have no idea if there is or not) but it isn't nearly as bad as if you bought a ticket on CX or AA or DL.

Check out this FB group: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=...07461875989550

I just joined.

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How are the US Envoy seats on storage? Is there a good place to stow your nose? (after cutting it off to spite your face)

But it could have been much better.

Only got through the first 3 pages, but I have to work now, so...

No one else uses their metal BIS for calculating benefits. I'm hoping that the new lifetime will be based on all EQMs, with *S at 1MM and *G at 2MM. And that the totals will be retroactive. I can dream, right?

The abundance of instruments is because (a) lots more were given out last year with double DEQM and the bonus elite choice, and (b) there's never any upgrade availability any more.

I don't see how the changes affect 2P flyers at all. Same upgrade priority, same (i.e. none) upgrade instruments.

With a huge hub at EWR, I doubt that's the case.

Unlikely, but possible... the backlash got CR1s reinstated when they were going to be eliminated with the introduction of co-pays.

Yeah, I'm sure the rest of the future changes are all going to be pure upside baby.

The best we can hope for are things being retained, like E+. That's not pessimism, that's realism.

Agree. The biggest hit here is on folks like me who fly ~ 105-110k per year and are Million Milers. We are taking a double hit: 4 CR1s and a level down for our lifetime status.

Well I'm at ~1.3 million on UA. 700k til 2MM and whatever benefits are left there.

Screw that, I'm ready to buy other Star carriers' business class and still get the CR1s but not the MM status miles.

And you know what they say: once your eye starts to wander....

I hadn't thought of this. If UA reserves *Gold for 75K and drops 50K folk to *Silver that to me would be almost as big a loss as if they were to drop E+. Being *Gold is a HUGE advantage when flying INTL on *Partners.

Not likely. CO and UA both have *G at 50K, and DL is lowering SkyTeam ElitePlus to 50K next year.

If people are unhappy with the "enhancements", they should say something to United. Facebook, Twitter, 1Kvoice, here... I'm certainly doing so.

Or San Francisco. Or Los Angeles.

Tim