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BlissWorld Nov 16, 2010 4:38 pm

@:-) Here's an idea @:-)

Why don't we gather a bunch of 1Ks who are willing to switch our business to AA exclusively if they match us to executive platinum? Or at least let us do an Executive Platinum challenge?

The other Bliss and I are both 1Ks and were actually thinking about writing to AA to see if they would match us, or at least do an exec-plat challenge. We knew that AA didn't match to ex-plat but figured we'd give it a shot since there are 2 of us giving them ~250,000 miles of flying.

If there are more FT 1Ks who are willing to do the same, we might actually have a shot, because if we have enough people, it'd almost be like a small business and AA has been known to grant ex-plats to certain small businesses. @:-)

JoeTravel Nov 16, 2010 4:40 pm

These enhancements are meant to thin out the elite travelers. Just wait for certain fares to not be eligible for mileage credit, certain booking channels that won't qualify, and any other certain items to be left out. I see further "enhancements" coming. Read this as the UA ways as known are slowly disappearing. Wow, what an enhancement!

I got downgraded last week from IAD to ORD for no apparent reason. I had seat 2A, but when I checked in I got a Departure Management card. The gate agent told me that the fare I was on wasn't upgradeable and gave me seat 12A. There was no irregular operation to speak of. I contacted Customer Relations, will receive the $250.00 voucher, and am still wondering why UDUG isn't working like it is supposed to. I have had bad luck with that enhancement, especially when an irregular operation has taken place on other trips.

notquiteaff Nov 16, 2010 4:41 pm


Originally Posted by garykung (Post 15162605)
By the way, if you all look at the CO Program change:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/15155088-post1.html

The CO PP (equivalent to United GS) will lose the fee-waiver for the credit card due to "banking regulations".

So to all 1K, you will lose the $65 credit card annual fee waiver as well in 2012 (as I think)...

Discussed in more detail in this separate thread:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/conti...presplats.html

pigx5 Nov 16, 2010 4:42 pm


Originally Posted by BlissWorld (Post 15162826)
@:-) Here's an idea @:-)

Why don't we gather a bunch of 1Ks who are willing to switch our business to AA exclusively if they match us to executive platinum? Or at least let us do an Executive Platinum challenge?

The other Bliss and I are both 1Ks and were actually thinking about writing to AA to see if they would match us, or at least do an exec-plat challenge. We knew that AA didn't match to ex-plat but figured we'd give it a shot since there are 2 of us giving them ~250,000 miles of flying.

If there are more FT 1Ks who are willing to do the same, we might actually have a shot, because if we have enough people, it'd almost be like a small business and AA has been known to grant ex-plats to certain small businesses. @:-)

I join.

Darby Nov 16, 2010 4:43 pm


Originally Posted by blug (Post 15160797)
wow, amazed to see the number of 1Ks acting like spoiled kids.

In the past year you got UDU, one way *A award, and *Net blocking has become much rarer. Now you lost a few CR-1s and everyone is whining like crazy? :confused:

The MP program is still way more competitive than SM and AAdvantage, imo.

This is the tip of the iceberg. It amazes me that so many apparently can't see that. 1k agents with no prodding have told me "a lot more changes coming". Those are the front line employees who can see the tsunami of infuriated 1k's about to hit them.

75k EQM's to get any CR1's? In my case that would be October. That is a huge devaluation. Why the silence on E+? It can only be because the CO bean counters are busy with their spreadsheets and plan on doing something cute like making E+ a separate cabin on intl routes.


We have been best in classed by CO and it will only get worse.

MarkXS Nov 16, 2010 4:45 pm

I for one welcome our new Continental Overlords :)

One of the reasons I switched from Mileage Plus to OnePass a couple of years back is because 75K is a lot more attainable for me than 100K. I eked out 1K for a couple of years but that was with a lot of DEQM and much more business travel than nowadays.

This gives me more as a 75K flyer than I would have gotten as a old-UA or old-CO 75K flyer. If I can't keep up even that level, I don't see it taking anything away.

If I were routinely a 1K for ages, then yeah, it blows.

Given the dropoff in business travel and discretionary international travel from the Great Recession, I think this change makes a lot of sense by giving more to the folks nearer to the middle of the bell curve.

Mike Jacoubowsky Nov 16, 2010 4:45 pm

It's posturing
 

Originally Posted by blug (Post 15160797)
wow, amazed to see the number of 1Ks acting like spoiled kids.

In the past year you got UDU, one way *A award, and *Net blocking has become much rarer. Now you lost a few CR-1s and everyone is whining like crazy? :confused:

The MP program is still way more competitive than SM and AAdvantage, imo.

It's posturing. Folk here are desperately worried about E+, among other things, and feel that if they don't over-react to changes announced so far, it will embolden management to seek a path toward equivalency with other airline programs. What makes E+ so important is that it's a physical manifestation of the differences (between UA and others), not something that can be so easily eliminated or reinstated. It's that thing we must hold onto, symbolic of UA being better than the rest.

In the spirit of the "Best of Both Worlds" post, The line must be drawn here, no farther!

mobilebucky Nov 16, 2010 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by JoeTravel (Post 15162857)
certain booking channels that won't qualify

I can't wait they are going to "re-introduce" only ticket book through .bomb get 100% EQM, everywhere else 50%


Originally Posted by JoeTravel (Post 15162857)
I got downgraded last week from IAD to ORD for no apparent reason. I had seat 2A, but when I checked in I got a Departure Management card. The gate agent told me that the fare I was on wasn't upgradeable and gave me seat 12A.

Unless it is an award ticket or opaque fare (priceline name your own price), I don't think there are any fare wasn't eligible for upgrade on domestic segments. I would not be happy in that case.

FriendlySkies Nov 16, 2010 4:46 pm


Originally Posted by exerda (Post 15162268)
The EQS change for 1Ks is terrible. I've only done 1K once on segments (and that was with 10-12 DEQS), and it was not pleasant. Seriously, we're not talking MRers here, but hard-core business travelers and the occasional leisure traveler who sticks with UA despite living in a non-hub city.

This year, I'll finish with over 100,000 EQM but around 56 EQS. I wouldn't even make 1P on EQS, and I'm tired of being on planes.

Someone who made 100+ EQS is probably booking more trips and probably yielding more CPM to UA than someone making it by EQM.

+1

I feel very bad for the 1Ks that fly from some of the UX only routes from DEN or SFO..


Originally Posted by mmack (Post 15162633)
Trying to wade through the communication from UA, and have already sent in my two cents worth to 1K Voice.
What I'm trying to figure out is that it sounds like one needs to fly 25k miles in 2011 BEFORE being eligible for UDUs. As a 1K now I get UDU from day one: my first flight of the year in eligible.
How do others read that...maybe I'm just paranoid?

You may be a bit paranoid. I'll re-read the email I got from UA, but I don't recall anything about UDU only working after you fly 25K..

Mbenz Nov 16, 2010 4:48 pm

Well i am dissapointed about the CR-1s and will miss them. I would intentionally make sure I have 10k a quarter in the past to make CR-1s so I guess that is no longer a priority.

I don't think its worth really switching to AA for me as I am out of WAS, but Mrs. Mbenz is loosing 1K for 2011 and making Exec Plat on AA so may be an interesting transition year for us. If the international upgrades work out well for her I guess I should look at switching...

TechnoPagan Nov 16, 2010 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by MarkXS (Post 15162927)
I for one welcome our new Continental Overlords :)

One of the reasons I switched from Mileage Plus to OnePass a couple of years back is because 75K is a lot more attainable for me than 100K. I eked out 1K for a couple of years but that was with a lot of DEQM and much more business travel than nowadays.

This gives me more as a 75K flyer than I would have gotten as a old-UA or old-CO 75K flyer. If I can't keep up even that level, I don't see it taking anything away.

If I were routinely a 1K for ages, then yeah, it blows.

Given the dropoff in business travel and discretionary international travel from the Great Recession, I think this change makes a lot of sense by giving more to the folks nearer to the middle of the bell curve.

I think 1P+ is a stop-gap for 2011, I wouldn't expect it to survive under the new combined program in 2012. They didn't even bother to give it a name :D

travelsavant Nov 16, 2010 4:54 pm

+1
I read about "elite changes" on UA site this morning & have to recieve email...but hey, we have FT to keep us updated on the breaking news! Just glad I don't fly by segments - would be pretty unhappy having to log additional 20 (+100) in 2011 to keep 1K status.


Originally Posted by JLSocks (Post 15155251)
Wow...isn't this just a lovely "enhancement" to the program, with absolutely nothing good coming for 1K members. :td:

Oh and thanks for the heads up...I noticed the change on the website and here and have yet to receive any email communications from Mileage Plus regarding this change.

If this is supposed to be one of the many changes that Smisek says we'll like, I'm not going to be a happy camper.


travelsavant Nov 16, 2010 4:57 pm

I'm in! Was going to do the AA Challenge next year anyway, so maybe start a separate thread to enroll more 1K's?


Originally Posted by BlissWorld (Post 15162826)
@:-) Here's an idea @:-)

Why don't we gather a bunch of 1Ks who are willing to switch our business to AA exclusively if they match us to executive platinum? Or at least let us do an Executive Platinum challenge?

The other Bliss and I are both 1Ks and were actually thinking about writing to AA to see if they would match us, or at least do an exec-plat challenge. We knew that AA didn't match to ex-plat but figured we'd give it a shot since there are 2 of us giving them ~250,000 miles of flying.

If there are more FT 1Ks who are willing to do the same, we might actually have a shot, because if we have enough people, it'd almost be like a small business and AA has been known to grant ex-plats to certain small businesses. @:-)


Renard Nov 16, 2010 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by mobilebucky (Post 15162953)
I can't wait they are going to "re-introduce" only ticket book through .bomb get 100% EQM, everywhere else 50%.

And it'll be called an 'exciting new enhancement offering greater value' :rolleyes:;)

kb1992 Nov 16, 2010 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by Renard (Post 15162413)
This is just the beginning. Just Wait And See. It appears they're going to do it one cut at a time and hope we don't notice. They're going to take the Worst of both programs and combine them. If we don't like it, they'll tell us: "Let them eat cake"

Call me negative if you like. I really do hope that someday you can call me wrong.

I am with you.

Expect more cuts. Or more "enhancements", CO loves that word.

Just like DL/NW merger.

CO bean counters are busy with spreadsheets regarding E+, 3 class int'l, NC/XC/NF/XF availability, and upgrade buy-ups, such as offering $69 to take the last F seat.

To them, today's short term gain is everything. They used to run an airline based at IAH, EWR and CLE. You know.

The worst has yet to come. Call me pessimists.


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