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Originally Posted by notquiteaff
(Post 15164454)
Is it? Maybe I am missing something, but if you typically reach 100K in, say, August, your SWUs will be valid from August to August. If you reach it on December, they'll be valid until Dec 31 the next year....
Originally Posted by Antipode
(Post 15164547)
I can understand it making a difference the first year it's implemented. Let's assume that 2011 SWU are still deposited in January and that they implement the instant deposit at 100k that year. If one achieves 100k in say, March without using up all of the 2011 SWU, then they're stuck with a ton of SWU that expire at about the same time. The following year, if they qualify at or near the same time of year, I agree there's little difference.
This does not affect the lower 1Ks much, but hits the higher mileage 1Ks much more, when we already have difficulty of using them because UA often wait until the last moment to open up NC spaces, and that SWU cannot be used on Z fare. If you are a pure EC flyer you can try to use SWU everytime, but for those who have options to buy Z fares the earlier expiration really hurts. I guess the counter measure for those who are most affected (- those reaching 150K eqm ++) is try not to build up EQM until later in the year. Namely, fly alternative airlines to build up elite status if approaching 1K in the middle of the year. Among my colleagues with 150K - 250K eqm, not one was interested in getting early SWU in October. Most of us have used them for domestic UGs in the past 2 years. But I can understand that you fly 100K eqm or if you buy purly EC tickets, you may be attracted to the early deposit. In summary, this hurts those 1Ks who fly higher eqm and those who also buy BC tickets. My question is, why UA&CO want to do more damage to your higher revenue 1Ks?? This leaves a very very bad tast. :mad: |
Originally Posted by eightblack
(Post 15164332)
While I 100% empathize with all the US based 1K members (ie the majority) and especially those road warriors who qualify via EQS, I have to honestly say that these "enhancements" don't affect me too greatly (being based in SIN).
I've always qualified on EQM's and the loss of CR-1's is not an issue - as I never use the ones I am given. |
Originally Posted by bajong
(Post 15163586)
AA has pretty good flights out of HNL anyway
Originally Posted by lax2010
(Post 15163748)
Is the AA PR going to join this thread to let us know how they are going to provide status match starting Jan 1st? Any guess?
Originally Posted by nmenaker
(Post 15163796)
I'll bring six more 1K's with!
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Well, if enough of you switch over and are based out of SFO, maybe we'll see the capacity increase. So, you are all more than welcome to do so :)
AA will be operating out of the brand new Terminal 2 in Spring 2011, with a brand spanking new admirals club! The AAgents at SFO, despite it being a spoke station, are among the kindest in the system, imho. (even though I still dont understand the severity of losing a few CR-1s when you can get e-certs for pretty much everything..)--just sayin! |
Anyone else wondering if one or two of these "enhancements" (like the 120 EQS) are red herrings? Put out just to give UA something to take back and be able to say "look, we heard you and are responding to our customers"? I'm thinking they are just goofy enough to pull something like that. End up still screwing their best customers, but trying to look like the nice guy, and probably getting a few resident UA apologists to go along. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by flyinbob
(Post 15164937)
Anyone else wondering if one or two of these "enhancements" (like the 120 EQS) are red herrings? Put out just to give UA something to take back and be able to say "look, we heard you and are responding to our customers"? I'm thinking they are just goofy enough to pull something like that. End up still screwing their best customers, but trying to look like the nice guy, and probably getting a few resident UA apologists to go along. :rolleyes:
CO had 50% EQM for 5+ years. |
While I think the loss of CR1s and increase in EQS totally sucks, I would want to reiterate what some others have said re: AA and DL. AA has great instruments, but a somewhat limited network; DL has a great network, but no useful SWUs. Neither have E+ and neither have (or at least for now require for upgrade) CR1s.
I also noted that on the CO side, the new SWUs are restricted from the lowest fares, so we can forget AA style unrestricted SWUs in our future (still better, much better, than DL). Should UA eliminate E+ and DL match the fare requirements on SWUs, switching back would be a more compelling proposition. Should AA make the SWUs equivalently available on BA and JAL, that would also make a compelling case for switching there. I'd find it hard to believe that UA, AA, and DL are not watching a thread that gets hundreds of posts (decidedly negative) in less than 24 hours. AA would be remiss in not actively seeking out UA members, who share a hub, effected by this. |
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As a 1K UA International I sympathize with my UA domestic cousins for they will lose more from these new "enhancements" and overall 1K is further devalued. But what is to become of MM? I guess we will find out soon enough but my biggest concern is that 1MMs will "benefit" from becoming *S instead of the current *G :(. Now that would really be a slap in the face for loyalty.
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Originally Posted by ONTRandy
(Post 15165091)
I also noted that on the CO side, the new SWUs are restricted from the lowest fares, so we can forget AA style unrestricted SWUs in our future (still better, much better, than DL).
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Originally Posted by demkr
(Post 15164927)
(even though I still dont understand the severity of losing a few CR-1s when you can get e-certs for pretty much everything..)--just sayin!
It's CO's standard and they are taking this company. |
Umm, I thought Smisek said we "will like" the changes that were coming :confused: We have that on tape :D
I rarely use CR1s and qualify on mileage so it doss not affect me much. However, I think maybe the SWU rule can be better...maybe: 1 - early deposit but still expire 1/31 the next year? 2 - early deposit only for new 1Ks? I wonder what else is coming. I guess this is basically to prepare for the 2 programs to merge... |
Originally Posted by awerdna2002
(Post 15164711)
I just wanted to write to thank you for devaluing the MP program for me today. As I have flown enough miles to keep my 1K status for next year, I’ll try out competitor airlines for the rest of the year (go ahead… check it out… I am not booking on UA again this year). Now, don’t worry… me booking elsewhere for the next few weeks will only cost you a few hundred bucks. And if no other changes are made to MP then I’ll probably stay with UA, so tell the snot-nosed MBA that thought of the recent changes that he won this round. Because lucky for you frequent flier customers are sticky… but only to a point.
Now for the really, really simple part. The part that even the self-proclaimed geniuses now running MP can understand. If you take away E+ then I am gone. Goodbye. Adios. I realize I’m small potatoes to you, as I only spend maybe $20k a year on your airline. But I wager there’s a lot of guys like me, and dumping E+ will chase many away. I think you’ll find that after awhile, losing $20k here and $20k there adds up. But hey, it’s your airline. Run your airline into the ground for all I care. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you. Oh, and tell Smisek or whatever his name is that his customers are not stupid. He cut our program today and called it a “benefit”. Nice. Does he teach his children to lie with a smile too? Way to be a good dad. Sincerely, Awerdna2002 PS- I tried really hard to keep things civil here. Twice I wrote “you suck” and deleted it as I didn’t want you to think I was just some mile-happy ranting lunatic. But, and I am serious… take away E+ and the phrase “you suck” will seem like a compliment compared to what I will say about you. |
Originally Posted by PanAmWT
(Post 15164723)
Not true. I hit 100 EQM in June last year, if the new policy applied my 6 SWUs will have already expired 6/30 this year. And I would have two SWUs each expired in July, and October also. That was a total of 10. I was able to use only three by 6/30, and two more by October. I would lost five SWUs due to expiration by now. But these five now expire 1/31/2011, I will try to use two in December and hopefully three come January.
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Originally Posted by AAExPlat
(Post 15165314)
LOL. Seriously. Best post of the day for me. The sarcasm and passive aggressiveness are just priceless. I swear...one of the funniest posts I've rad in a long time.
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