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GS Qualifying for 2020 Discussion
This will be a discussion thread, for discussing the needed qualifications and timing of notification.
2019 GS Timeline:
- First requalification notifications came out on 6 Dec 2018
- First-time notifications started about 3 Jan 2019
- Numerous reports that all regular notifications will be out by 11 Jan 2019
- Initial successful reconsideration appeals reported 15 Jan 2019
- First reports of challanges15 Jan 2019
If you have received notification about your 2020 GS status, please post in
Global Services 2020 Notifications (ONLY) -- "no discussion" (and as title suggests, this is just for notifications, use this thread for discussions / queries
and
Form Link to collect this years qualification (or rejection) information
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...rm?usp=sf_link
You can view the results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1F...rm?usp=sf_link
You can view the results: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
To find your PQDs if >than $12K
Go to
MileagePlus activity since my last statement and it is in the "Account summary" table at the top of the page.
Note this is not just the UA operated PQDs (which is commonly believed to be what matters for GS) but rather your total PQDs.
Definitions
BIS is actual scheduled flight distance (Great Circle Mileage Distance -- GCM) between airports with 500 mile minimum for elites. This is the standard used for Lifetime miles also. Those flying mostly sub-500 segments sometimes prefer to not use the minimum rule.
The definition for CPM is a bit vaguer, especially since CPM is used in multiple different situations.
Believe for the purpose of this thread, GS qualification, folks are using
PQD CPM = UA PQDs / UA BIS
Note there is no direct evidence UA uses this CPM number for GS Qualification but it is a number FTers like to use.
As for BIS, UA does not report this number your account and it needs to be manually tracked.
One way is to make use that PQMs are based on BIS but there may be a multiplier / bonus for high end fares. If always in 2x PQMs, you could divide by 2 to get BIS.
Last year's thread
GS Qualifying for 2019 Discussion / Questions
GS Qualifying for 2020 Discussion / Questions
#1141
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: SFO/SJC
Programs: UA 1K & 2MM, Bonvoy Titanium & LTP, HH Gold, Accor Silver, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 2,350
I agree that they should at least email GS to say "hey, we're not forgetting about you in all of this" - but I'm not sure how much they would or should really say beyond that. It's an invitation only program in theory, and they get to invite whomever they believe it's worth inviting. There's no reason to believe anything other than that they will do the same for 2021. The criteria will likely be modified, and it makes complete sense to me that they would define that at year end.
#1142
Moderator: Smoking Lounge; FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: SFO
Programs: Lifetime (for now) Gold MM, HH Gold, Giving Tootsie Pops to UA employees, & a retired hockey goalie
Posts: 28,878
#1143
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: ORD | LGA | 2E
Programs: UA GS 1.6MM UC | AA CK 0.7MM AC | Bonvoy Ambassador | Hyatt Globalist | Hertz PC
Posts: 1,054
#1144
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bucks County
Programs: UAL GS & Million Miler; Delta Lifetime Gold; Hilton Diamond; Marriott Platinum; Legion Etrangere
Posts: 1,609
I emailed the GS desk to tell them that we we had here was an utter failure to communicate to a valuable customer group. This left the very real impression that this group was undervalued, etc, etc, etc. I received a tepid response that we would receive some news later in the year and that "earned" GS's would get 1K membership under new system. As I passed those milestones already, this was no comfort. United Corporate Communications Team: See me after class!
#1145
Suspended
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Chicago
Programs: ,united 1k, AA EXP, HH Diamond,BA gold, Hyatt globalist
Posts: 974
I emailed the GS desk to tell them that we we had here was an utter failure to communicate to a valuable customer group. This left the very real impression that this group was undervalued, etc, etc, etc. I received a tepid response that we would receive some news later in the year and that "earned" GS's would get 1K membership under new system. As I passed those milestones already, this was no comfort. United Corporate Communications Team: See me after class!
#1146
Join Date: Aug 2011
Programs: UA 1K | Marriott LT Platinum
Posts: 459
calling it now United Global services will be no longer after this year. It is way to expensive of a program. If I had to guess it is probably 3-5x the cost of a 1k membership for United due to all the benefits that can take away paid business class tickets and not to mention all the GS staff and dedicated checkins.
#1147
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: SFO
Programs: UA GS 1MM / Hilton Diamond / Bonvoy Gold / Hertz PC
Posts: 396
There’s an awful lot of catastrophizing on this thread. The old flying adage of “aviate, navigate, communicate” applies well here. First and foremost, they need to continue to ensure the company itself can avoid a near-to-medium term worst case scenario such as bankruptcy and or truly horrific workforce reductions. Second, they need to figure out how to set themselves up for longer term sustainability in a travel environment that will be nothing if not unpredictable and dynamic. THEN they need to communicate. It makes perfect sense to me that they would communicate with the vast majority of MP members first. There’s plenty to still figure out regarding what to do about GS and frankly, I don’t see how they could possibly have the clarity or information at hand yet to make such a decision. I have a hard time of finding it anything beyond abundantly silly to handwring about GS status when most of us can’t even leave our homes save for the necessities.
Where I do agree to some extent with some on here is that UA is lacking the EQ that would be a nice to have right now.
Where I do agree to some extent with some on here is that UA is lacking the EQ that would be a nice to have right now.
#1148
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: London
Programs: UA GS
Posts: 2,438
There’s an awful lot of catastrophizing on this thread. The old flying adage of “aviate, navigate, communicate” applies well here. First and foremost, they need to continue to ensure the company itself can avoid a near-to-medium term worst case scenario such as bankruptcy and or truly horrific workforce reductions. Second, they need to figure out how to set themselves up for longer term sustainability in a travel environment that will be nothing if not unpredictable and dynamic. THEN they need to communicate. It makes perfect sense to me that they would communicate with the vast majority of MP members first. There’s plenty to still figure out regarding what to do about GS and frankly, I don’t see how they could possibly have the clarity or information at hand yet to make such a decision. I have a hard time of finding it anything beyond abundantly silly to handwring about GS status when most of us can’t even leave our homes save for the necessities.
Where I do agree to some extent with some on here is that UA is lacking the EQ that would be a nice to have right now.
Where I do agree to some extent with some on here is that UA is lacking the EQ that would be a nice to have right now.
#1149
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SF Bay Area
Programs: UA 1K MM, Marriott Life Plat, various others of little note
Posts: 2,763
There’s an awful lot of catastrophizing on this thread. The old flying adage of “aviate, navigate, communicate” applies well here. First and foremost, they need to continue to ensure the company itself can avoid a near-to-medium term worst case scenario such as bankruptcy and or truly horrific workforce reductions. Second, they need to figure out how to set themselves up for longer term sustainability in a travel environment that will be nothing if not unpredictable and dynamic. THEN they need to communicate. It makes perfect sense to me that they would communicate with the vast majority of MP members first. There’s plenty to still figure out regarding what to do about GS and frankly, I don’t see how they could possibly have the clarity or information at hand yet to make such a decision. I have a hard time of finding it anything beyond abundantly silly to handwring about GS status when most of us can’t even leave our homes save for the necessities.
Where I do agree to some extent with some on here is that UA is lacking the EQ that would be a nice to have right now.
Where I do agree to some extent with some on here is that UA is lacking the EQ that would be a nice to have right now.
who’s taking bets on whether MP gets “kirbyized”? Never waste a good crisis. In the new world order HVFs are the ones who get conned into paying for priority security AND priority boarding AND checked bags AND seat selection. Ancillary revenue is the new El Dorado.
Last edited by Boghopper; Apr 8, 2020 at 1:29 am
#1150
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Bucks County
Programs: UAL GS & Million Miler; Delta Lifetime Gold; Hilton Diamond; Marriott Platinum; Legion Etrangere
Posts: 1,609
Thoughtful as far as it went but missing the bigger point. Basic "we know you're out there" communication is a key but overlooked corporate skill. That United made the effort to placate a large swath of its MP base without even tipping its hat toward its most valued customers- a short note saying we have not forgotten GS would likely have sufficed- is screwing up simple blocking & tackling
#1151
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: SF
Programs: UA GS, 3MM, Titanium Elite for life
Posts: 149
If GS disappears, as forecast in many of the previous posts, I think I might actually be relieved. I have been GS *every* year since it began. I can tell you that I think I will be a bit relieved. On MANY occasions, I have picked the least optimal flights in order to stay in UA metal. Also, I have missed out on higher quality products (ie better business/first) just to stay in UA metal ... and usually at a higher cost.
Clearly, I do not have the discipline to quit chasing GS on my own ...
Clearly, I do not have the discipline to quit chasing GS on my own ...
#1152
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 11,469
Regarding speculation about cutting GS --
At its core, GS is an incentive and marketing program. It provides generous benefits to flyers who generate a high level of revenue.
However, everything about demand for air travel has changed. Right now, no one is generating the revenue for UA that they used to do. Although I certainly agree with others that some clearer communication to acknowledge customers' uncertainty would be a good touch, fundamentally they're going to have to take some time to figure out what the future looks like. If next year demand is still severely repressed, it isn't so likely that the GS program can continue without significant changes. However, if next year has some kind of return to the previous normal, I wouldn't be surprised to see them carry status for a year and treat this one as a wash.
At its core, GS is an incentive and marketing program. It provides generous benefits to flyers who generate a high level of revenue.
However, everything about demand for air travel has changed. Right now, no one is generating the revenue for UA that they used to do. Although I certainly agree with others that some clearer communication to acknowledge customers' uncertainty would be a good touch, fundamentally they're going to have to take some time to figure out what the future looks like. If next year demand is still severely repressed, it isn't so likely that the GS program can continue without significant changes. However, if next year has some kind of return to the previous normal, I wouldn't be surprised to see them carry status for a year and treat this one as a wash.
#1153
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: HNL
Programs: UA GS4MM, MR LT Plat, Hilton Gold
Posts: 6,447
UA knows corporate travel won't return to 2019 levels for what will be years. A massive scale back of the program makes sense only to be reserved to people actually flying or committed corporate contracts when the crisis is over.
I think the GS program is due for a massive overhaul on who qualifies. If there are 20,000 or whatever GS today, they know those same 20,000 aren't going to be flying at the same levels in the future.
#1154
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: SFO
Programs: UA GS 1MM / Hilton Diamond / Bonvoy Gold / Hertz PC
Posts: 396
Thoughtful as far as it went but missing the bigger point. Basic "we know you're out there" communication is a key but overlooked corporate skill. That United made the effort to placate a large swath of its MP base without even tipping its hat toward its most valued customers- a short note saying we have not forgotten GS would likely have sufficed- is screwing up simple blocking & tackling
#1155
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: anywhere and everywhere
Programs: UA GS, AS MVP 100K, DL Diamond, Marriot Lifetime Titanium, AmEx Centurion
Posts: 5,528
Then, UA made a decision (probably provoked by DL) to remove that uncertainly for 99%+ of elite members. To do that without thinking about the top 1% of your customers is a communications misstep.