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Old May 27, 2014, 1:26 pm
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West Coast route cuts/additions/material changes:

LAX - 8 daily ends 1 daily starts net reduction 7 daily
LAX-PIT (1x daily)
LAX-PDX (2x daily ended)
LAX-SJC (2x daily)
LAX-BFL (Bakersfield, CA) (2x daily ended)
LAX-YLW (1x daily, moved to SFO)
4 gates in Terminal 6 leased to AA (Gates 60-63)
ADDED LAX-MEL (789)
ADDED LAX-MSP (CR7)
LAX-CLD (7x daily ending May 2015)

SFO
SFO-NRT (reduced x1 777/day, switched to HND)
SFO-LMT (Klamath Falls, OR)(ended)
SFO-MOD (Modesto, CA) (ended)
ADDED SFO-HND (1x daily 772, moved from NRT)
ADDED SFO-YLW (1x daily CR2, moved from LAX)
ADDED SFO-ATL (2x daily 738)

Expanded SFO-MSP (previously 1x daily mainline, winter 2x E75, next summer 1x E75 + 1x mainline)
Expanded SFO-STL (previously 1x daily mainline, soon 1xE75 + 1x mainline)
Expanded SFO-RDU 2x daily mainline over the summer


SEA
SEA-NRT (gone)
SEA-GEG (gone)
SEA-ANC (ended)
SEA-CLE (seasonal, gone)

PDX
PDX-SEA (ended)
PDX-EUG (ended)
PDX-RDM (ended)
PDX-CLE (seasonal, gone)
PDX-LMT (Klamath Falls, OR)(ended)

LAS
LAS-FAT (Fresno CA)
LAS-PSP (Palm Springs, CA)
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[Consolidated] United Express (UX) route cuts [2014 & onward]

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Old May 23, 2014, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO
"UAL's April 2014 ... consolidated capacity (available seat miles) decreased 1.3 percent versus April 2013."

"UAL's March 2014 ... consolidated capacity (available seat miles) increased 2.7 percent versus March 2013."

http://ir.unitedcontinentalholdings....rol-news&nyo=0

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United Airlines Launches New Year-Round Service Between Houston and Munich

Soon UA will fade away to nothing...
Please! UA is also canceling 1x SFO-NRT. Seasonal service? Again, let me know later. BOS? Don't go there as 4 flights are going express mid summer from ORD.

LAX-PDX went downhill once UA decided it was smart to throw all express. What will you say when UA cancels LAX-SEA?

DL next year will serve more destinations and take the market share away from UA. UA will be down to hub flying only from LAX.
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:31 am
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Wow I guess leaving UA last year was a good idea from a portland based flyers perspective.

I have a flight in Late sept

PDX-SEA, UX
SEA-NRT, NH
NRT-BKK TG

Once PDX-SEA is dropped I guess I have a free change? Anyone know if this will this end up letting me do this online sans fee, or will I have to call?
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:36 am
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I will miss PDX-RDM
Its the only UX flight in the system I have flown for 2+ years now as it lets me avoid doing 1+ hours in the CRJ for SFO/DEN->RDM
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by UA-NYC
How is an A321 a glorified RJ? Other than being able to make a left turn on a 757, I don't see a ton of difference (know pilots might disagree WRT thrust).

IIRC AA actually said it was no change in daily capacity on the route...smaller planes but increased frequency.
Yes, I neglected to include the emoji again...

The (intended) joke is the relative size of the A321 vs. the 757 and 76W.

The A321 is a perfectly fine and large aircraft, and I look forward to trying it SFO-JFK at some point.

The three classes don't mean much to me, as I can't imagine flying above C or BF on the route. It will be interesting to see if it does drive more traffic AA's way though.

LAX/JFK: UA's 6 757's plus 13 73x (EWR) is a lot of frequency and capacity.


Perhaps I was remembering SFO wrt decreased capacity?

Originally Posted by RxCapt
The additional SFO flight was announced last September. Also, 85/24 switches from a 763 to 32B on June 11. Overall inventory for AA is down despite the additional frequency.
Originally Posted by SJC AA
And this isn't really new. There were 5 or 6 daily flights (on 767s) a couple years ago. Still a massive capacity cut, as RxCapt points out.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...-5x-daily.html

I am sure somewhere in this thread there is a discussion about relative capacity between AA's old lower frequency / higher capacity 76x's and the new higher frequency / lower capacity A321T's, but I cannot find it.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...solidated.html
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by channa
Please watch the first half of this video and tell me what is RJ about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20zshmYxhLw
He can't, he's on a UA flight right now with no Wifi
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
Please! UA is also canceling 1x SFO-NRT. Seasonal service? Again, let me know later. BOS? Don't go there as 4 flights are going express mid summer from ORD.

LAX-PDX went downhill once UA decided it was smart to throw all express. What will you say when UA cancels LAX-SEA?

DL next year will serve more destinations and take the market share away from UA. UA will be down to hub flying only from LAX.
SFO - NRT is not getting cancelled. The additional SFO - NRT flight is getting replaced with a SFO - HND flight.
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764
Now, SkyWest has disclosed the fact that it has a pilot shortage, much like many of the other SJPs. It is also progressively trying to retire the Brasilia fleet.
Originally Posted by spin88
I agree that this likely has to do with the UA-OO relationship, and in particular the pilot shortage.
I'm curious as to how you could somehow corrolate pulling out of an unprofitable focus city to somehow having a shortage of pilots.
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by CMK10
He can't, he's on a UA flight right now with no Wifi
OK, I just watched it.

Now what?

Do I win a trip to SYD with tom911 in coach because we can't use AA SWU's on the route?
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
Please! UA is also canceling 1x SFO-NRT. Seasonal service?
It's posts like this that makes me want to stop contributing to FT...

UA did NOT cancel 1x SFO-NRT at all... They moved that second frequency to their new SFO-HND service.
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28
SFO - NRT is not getting cancelled. The additional SFO - NRT flight is getting replaced with a SFO - HND flight.
JOSE, please, that does not fit the accepted rhetoric of the thread! emoji:
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by JOSECONLSCREW28
SFO - NRT is not getting cancelled. The additional SFO - NRT flight is getting replaced with a SFO - HND flight.
2x SFO-NRT, 1 getting cancelled for 1x Daily. Lark was trying to prove a point of new flights when it's just taking the NRT flight.

Reductions everywhere.

Originally Posted by usa18dca
It's posts like this that makes me want to stop contributing to FT...

UA did NOT cancel 1x SFO-NRT at all... They moved that second frequency to their new SFO-HND service.
No, canceled! Not hard to understand. The original DOT application said 2xNRT would stay, but it's not. Canceled 1 daily.

The poster was stating additional service and HND is not additional, it's the addition of the cancelation of 1x NRT.

Originally Posted by LarkSFO
JOSE, please, that does not fit the accepted rhetoric of the thread! emoji:
Again where is the additional routes? It's addition by subtraction. LAX-PDX proves UA goes all express people find someone else to fly. SEA is next.
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
Again where is the additional routes? It's addition by subtraction. LAX-PDX proves UA goes all express people find someone else to fly. SEA is next.
Addition by subtraction? Now you are defying logic...

Dude, just go fly someone else, please...

And, there is a Yahoo UAL stock message board that would love to have you join.
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO
Addition by subtraction? Now you are defying logic...

Dude, just go fly someone else, please...

And, there is a Yahoo UAL stock message board that would love to have you join.
Everyone has a right to their own opinion here, negative or positive.

But hey, as long as this airline keeps contracting everyone you disagree with will be forced to fly another airline!
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by LASUA1K
Again where is the additional routes? It's addition by subtraction.
Hey, but we got SFO-CTU!

SFO is one of the few spots UA has actually expanded.
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Old May 23, 2014, 10:54 am
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Originally Posted by CMK10
Everyone has a right to their own opinion here, negative or positive.

But hey, as long as this airline keeps contracting everyone you disagree with will be forced to fly another airline!
I welcome opinions, especially those contrary to what I think that help me get a broader understanding of an issue or situation from varying perspectives.

It's the lies / half-truths that really p1ss me off.

Originally Posted by channa
Hey, but we got SFO-CTU!

SFO is one of the few spots UA has actually expanded.
I agree, this is a fantastic new route!

Being SFO based certainly biases my opinion of UA. Many destinations, with more non-stops than anybody, with more destinations coming on line. Fly everywhere (almost) I need to go.

The fact that it is not quite a 'fortress' hub usually keeps prices manageable too.

What's not to like?
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