May 27, 2014, 1:26 pm
Last edit by: aacharya
West Coast route cuts/additions/material changes:
LAX - 8 daily ends 1 daily starts net reduction 7 daily
LAX-PIT (1x daily)
LAX-PDX (2x daily ended)
LAX-SJC (2x daily)
LAX-BFL (Bakersfield, CA) (2x daily ended)
LAX-YLW (1x daily, moved to SFO)
4 gates in Terminal 6 leased to AA (Gates 60-63)
ADDED LAX-MEL (789)
ADDED LAX-MSP (CR7)
LAX-CLD (7x daily ending May 2015)
SFO
SFO-NRT (reduced x1 777/day, switched to HND)
SFO-LMT (Klamath Falls, OR)(ended)
SFO-MOD (Modesto, CA) (ended)
ADDED SFO-HND (1x daily 772, moved from NRT)
ADDED SFO-YLW (1x daily CR2, moved from LAX)
ADDED SFO-ATL (2x daily 738)
Expanded SFO-MSP (previously 1x daily mainline, winter 2x E75, next summer 1x E75 + 1x mainline)
Expanded SFO-STL (previously 1x daily mainline, soon 1xE75 + 1x mainline)
Expanded SFO-RDU 2x daily mainline over the summer
SEA
SEA-NRT (gone)
SEA-GEG (gone)
SEA-ANC (ended)
SEA-CLE (seasonal, gone)
PDX
PDX-SEA (ended)
PDX-EUG (ended)
PDX-RDM (ended)
PDX-CLE (seasonal, gone)
PDX-LMT (Klamath Falls, OR)(ended)
LAS
LAS-FAT (Fresno CA)
LAS-PSP (Palm Springs, CA)
LAX - 8 daily ends 1 daily starts net reduction 7 daily
LAX-PIT (1x daily)
LAX-PDX (2x daily ended)
LAX-SJC (2x daily)
LAX-BFL (Bakersfield, CA) (2x daily ended)
LAX-YLW (1x daily, moved to SFO)
4 gates in Terminal 6 leased to AA (Gates 60-63)
ADDED LAX-MEL (789)
ADDED LAX-MSP (CR7)
LAX-CLD (7x daily ending May 2015)
SFO
SFO-NRT (reduced x1 777/day, switched to HND)
SFO-LMT (Klamath Falls, OR)(ended)
SFO-MOD (Modesto, CA) (ended)
ADDED SFO-HND (1x daily 772, moved from NRT)
ADDED SFO-YLW (1x daily CR2, moved from LAX)
ADDED SFO-ATL (2x daily 738)
Expanded SFO-MSP (previously 1x daily mainline, winter 2x E75, next summer 1x E75 + 1x mainline)
Expanded SFO-STL (previously 1x daily mainline, soon 1xE75 + 1x mainline)
Expanded SFO-RDU 2x daily mainline over the summer
SEA
SEA-NRT (gone)
SEA-GEG (gone)
SEA-ANC (ended)
SEA-CLE (seasonal, gone)
PDX
PDX-SEA (ended)
PDX-EUG (ended)
PDX-RDM (ended)
PDX-CLE (seasonal, gone)
PDX-LMT (Klamath Falls, OR)(ended)
LAS
LAS-FAT (Fresno CA)
LAS-PSP (Palm Springs, CA)
[Consolidated] United Express (UX) route cuts [2014 & onward]
May 24, 2014, 1:44 am
#166
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We know how much you love to blame CO for every little change, but really you should check your facts on this. The flights being cut are Skywest operated flights that are "at risk" flying under a marketing relationship with United. Skywest is the one who does the scheduling etc.
As far as Hawaii flights, i go to Hawaii several times a year, I'm here now and no way would I take a 737 to Hawaii. No way! Again, I'm not alone, I hear people, I flew United on a small jet or I hear, how nice Hawaiian is. UA can't compete to Hawaii. Let's not forget February, UA had several flights weight restricted.
Some ideas are bad, and downgrading PDX and SEA and Hawaii flights are major mistakes and it's showing. Now UA will start a very slow decrease in LAX with giving up gates. As I said, LAX will be hub only flying with a few international flights, then those will go too.
May 24, 2014, 2:02 am
#167
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I wasn't aware skywest flew ar risk route of lax-pdx. UA put crj700 then people booked elsewhere, then crj200, and now it's cancelled.
As far as Hawaii flights, i go to Hawaii several times a year, I'm here now and no way would I take a 737 to Hawaii. No way! Again, I'm not alone, I hear people, I flew United on a small jet or I hear, how nice Hawaiian is. UA can't compete to Hawaii. Let's not forget February, UA had several flights weight restricted.
Some ideas are bad, and downgrading PDX and SEA and Hawaii flights are major mistakes and it's showing. Now UA will start a very slow decrease in LAX with giving up gates. As I said, LAX will be hub only flying with a few international flights, then those will go too.
As far as Hawaii flights, i go to Hawaii several times a year, I'm here now and no way would I take a 737 to Hawaii. No way! Again, I'm not alone, I hear people, I flew United on a small jet or I hear, how nice Hawaiian is. UA can't compete to Hawaii. Let's not forget February, UA had several flights weight restricted.
Some ideas are bad, and downgrading PDX and SEA and Hawaii flights are major mistakes and it's showing. Now UA will start a very slow decrease in LAX with giving up gates. As I said, LAX will be hub only flying with a few international flights, then those will go too.
May 24, 2014, 6:46 am
#170
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United despite the protestations on here will keep cutting routes and further losing contracts. Operationally, they are still in decline. People can say that's just people whining on here, but internally, with their 5 operational goals, each month is a little worse than the month before including this current month which has been the worst I have seen for them. For those of you who are misguided thinking things are improving, I assure you, statistically, they are not. Worst ever numbers on customer satisfaction and on-time continues to considerably trail the competition.
May 24, 2014, 6:58 am
#171
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No offense, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Delta is doing well with older A/C because (1) they own them and don't have to make very large payments for them like UAL does, and (2) not having major payments has the flexibility to fly them less, which helps operational performance as well as adding flights when more capacity is needed. There is a little more maintenance, but UAL has no other notable advantages over DAL on these routes. DAL uses 763/757s and UAL uses 757s and to EWR a whole lot of stuff.... DAL's labor contracts (and having one work group) gives it a cost advantage over UAL. Re fuel burn? AA is the airline (with new A321s) that probably has a fuel advantage on these flights.
May 24, 2014, 7:09 am
#172
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Location: SRQ, PDX
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10 new routes? So how many did they drop? I think dropping PDX-LAX or PDX-SEA or NRT-BKK or NRT-HKG is a big deal. Not so sure adding ORD-Edinburgh is yen for those yangs.
No one is predicting bankruptcy. I'm experiencing "less" every time I fly UA, and "less" is based upon a steady devaluation of the UA product since the merger with CO, as testified in painful detail in so many other posts.
May 24, 2014, 7:11 am
#173
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Posts: 2,176
If you dig even a bit below the talking points you'd realize that most of the new routes have come at the heavy cost of lost routes.
May 24, 2014, 7:30 am
#174
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Location: Colorado
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United despite the protestations on here will keep cutting routes and further losing contracts. Operationally, they are still in decline. People can say that's just people whining on here, but internally, with their 5 operational goals, each month is a little worse than the month before including this current month which has been the worst I have seen for them. For those of you who are misguided thinking things are improving, I assure you, statistically, they are not. Worst ever numbers on customer satisfaction and on-time continues to considerably trail the competition.
May 24, 2014, 7:58 am
#175
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May 24, 2014, 8:18 am
#176
Join Date: Aug 2007
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May 24, 2014, 8:19 am
#177
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The merger was horrible for customers if UA moves to kill the network at the very same time they are touting it.
As a SEA based 1k, don't give me that crap about an upgauge SFO route. They've cut tcon and midcon AND regional but dumped a capacity into SFO. Those birds are as EMPTY as the gesture made to make us think they care after a clear net withdrawal. AS is king, DL is making a push to peal away and UA tucked tail. End of story.
May 24, 2014, 9:02 am
#179
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I'm flying LAX-PDX 03JUL. We booked in May using the MP visa companion cert and this was the only flight with T. Telling in its own right. Anyway, while I'm not looking forward to 2.5 hours on a CR2, it's better than not going. Of course if we were paying market rate UNITED would never have been a contender.
Sad to see LAX-PDX disappear, but honestly there are plenty of better options anyway.
Sad to see LAX-PDX disappear, but honestly there are plenty of better options anyway.
May 24, 2014, 11:06 am
#180
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I assume you are based out of a hub?
I bet your opinion would be a little different if you are based outside of large hub MSAs (Bay Area, LA basin, NYC metro, etc).
At my city, in the early stages of the merger, we had almost 40 daily departures with half being on mainline. Now it is barely over 20 with about 5 or so mainline departures after the LAX route is cut.
I bet your opinion would be a little different if you are based outside of large hub MSAs (Bay Area, LA basin, NYC metro, etc).
At my city, in the early stages of the merger, we had almost 40 daily departures with half being on mainline. Now it is barely over 20 with about 5 or so mainline departures after the LAX route is cut.