Originally Posted by BearX220

When UA dropped all service to my kid's college town last fall, throwing his booked holiday travel into limbo, the UA computer did exactly nothing. I had to look up alternate flights on another airline, call in and honcho a leg-by-leg rebook, which with SHARES and supervisors involved took about 90 minutes.

Originally Posted by noah

The agent tried hard to get me to change my PDX-SFO-LAX-ICN trip to PDX-SFO-ICN on United due to the possibility of misconnect but I stuck to my guns -- I want that A380 F experience in Asiana!

Originally Posted by LarkSFO

2007:
AS & Horizon: 15,055,935 pax, 48.1% mkt share
UA & CO: 4,064,045 pax, 13% mkt share
DL & NW: 3,728,373 pax, 12.5% mkt share

2013
AS & Horizon: 17,737,420 pax, 50.93% mkt share
UA & UEX: 3,095,858 pax, 9%
DL & DLX: 4,256,893 pax, 12.22%

UA - down 1M annual pax, mkt share from 13% to 9%

DL - up 500K annual pax, mkt share actually down a fraction.


AS & Horizon: A gorilla in this market. DL should figure out a way to get along with them.

The formatting is hard to read...

Rank, Airline Name, Total annual Pax, Market Share by year.

2007
Rank Airline Total Mkt Share
1 Alaska Airlines 10,963,716 35.0%
2 Horizon Airlines 4,092,219 13.1%
3 Southwest Airlines 2,725,510 8.7%
4 United Airlines 2,692,606 8.6%
5 Northwest Airlines 2,109,435 6.7%
6 Delta Air Lines 1,830,276 5.8%
7 American Airlines 1,618,938 5.2%
8 Continental Airlines 1,371,439 4.4%

2008
Rank Airline Total Mkt Share
1 Alaska Airlines 11,007,018 34.2%
2 Horizon Airlines 4,579,251 14.2%
3 Southwest Airlines 2,860,092 8.9%
4 United Airlines 2,383,843 7.4%
5 Northwest Airlines 2,205,125 6.8%
6 Delta Air Lines 1,760,988 5.5%
7 American Airlines 1,481,282 4.6%
8 Continental Airlines 1,354,504 4.2%
9 US Airways 1,012,347 3.1%
10 Hawaiian Airlines 397,973 1.2%
11 Virgin America 379,033 1.2%


2009
Rank Airline Total Mkt Share
1 Alaska Airlines 10,689,599 34.2%
2 Horizon Airlines 4,320,498 13.8%
3 Southwest Airlines 2,768,259 8.9%
4 United Airlines 2,195,066 7.0%
5 Northwest Airlines 2,000,746 6.4%
6 Delta Air Lines 1,715,221 5.5%
7 American Airlines 1,354,874 4.3%
8 Continental Airlines 1,353,407 4.3%
9 US Airways 1,011,427 3.2%
10 Virgin America 603,578 1.9%

2010
Rank Airline Total Mkt Share
1 Alaska Airlines 11,011,886 34.9%
2 Horizon Airlines 4,453,164 14.1%
3 Delta Air Lines 3,449,363 10.9%
4 Southwest Airlines 2,729,869 8.7%
5 United Airlines 2,070,556 6.6%
6 American Airlines 1,364,856 4.3%
7 Continental Airlines 1,361,958 4.3%
8 US Airways 901,961 2.9%
9 Virgin America 559,109 1.8%
10 JetBlue Airways 438,114 1.4%
All Other 3,212,330 10.2%

2011
Rank Airline Total Mkt Share
1 Alaska Airlines 11,544,037 35.2%
2 Horizon Airlines 4,641,030 14.1%
3 Delta Air Lines 3,740,186 11.4%
4 Southwest Airlines 2,905,545 8.9%
5 United Airlines 2,012,881 6.1%
6 American Airlines 1,364,674 4.2%
7 Continental Airlines 1,354,645 4.1%
8 US Airways 972,076 3.0%
9 Virgin America 629,492 1.9%
10 Frontier Airlines 489,205 1.5%
All Other 3,169,449 9.7%

2012 (last year with Continental separate)
Rank Airline Total Mkt Share
1 Alaska Airlines 11,831,682 35.6%
2 Horizon Air 4,690,353 14.1%
3 Delta Air Lines 3,849,741 11.6%
4 Southwest Airlines 2,820,907 8.5%
5 United Airlines 1,879,929 5.7%
6 American Airlines 1,424,949 4.3%
7 Continental Airlines 1,400,234 4.2%
8 US Airways 1,004,802 3.0%
9 Virgin America 665,611 2.0%
10 Frontier Airlines 535,184 1.6%
11 All other 3,119,719 9.4%

2013
Alaska Airlines 12,977,260 37.26% mkt share
Horizon Air 4,760,160 13.67% mkt share
Delta Air Lines 4,165,893 11.96% mkt share (DL Connections 91,000 and .26%)
Southwest Airlines 2,982,161 8.56% mkt share
United Airlines 2,806,015 8.06% (UEX 289,843 and .83%)
Virgin America 666,305 1.91% mkt share

Originally Posted by LarkSFO

This is somewhat of a tangent to the OT here, but I put together the numbers below for a thread in the DL forum.

The data is from the SEA-TAC web site.

2007 - 2013 figures, passenger statistics at SEA

Originally Posted by spin88

The 2013 figures don't include 90% of DAL's build out. Only a few of the new flights (international) were in operation in 2013. My best guess is that DAL will have more like 20% of the traffic through SEA in 2014. United will probably fall to 6-7% or so, and have its passenger numbers fall as well.

p.s. Just saw that DAL is adding yet more service to SEA, including Maui and Mexico destinations: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-...164200535.html If they run all of these routes in 2014, they would be more like a 25-26% market share. The current (once HKG and ICN are launched next month) international lift is over 2500 seats/day, ie. nearly 1M international seats a year.

Originally Posted by LarkSFO

Of course the figures do not include DL's 2014 growth. They are from 2013. (I'll post the link to where I found this information later today, you can follow it breathlessly for yourself! )

Is calling another poster delusional against the FT TOS?

In this case, how do you in any way, shape, or form arrive at the conclusion that DL may have a 25-26% (with your caveats) or a 20% market share (no caveats) in 2014?

Assuming total airport capacity stays about the same in 2014 (will probably grow a bit).

DL will have to take away roughly 4.5 million pax from the competition to achieve 25% of SEA's capacity. Many of the routes DL is adding, are of course head to head with AS. So you are assuming that DL can take away 4 million pax from AS, and get the other 500K from UA, WN, and organic growth.

I just can't see that happening.

Even to grow to be 20% of SEA's total PAX, DL would need to add ~3.5 million plus passengers.

How do you even imagine this to be possible?

I would guess Medeiros' stretch goal for 2014 is 5.5 million passengers.

AS is taking a very aggressive stance in response to DL too, as I am sure you are aware.
...

It will be interesting to see how UA reacts to this battle.

On routes where UA, DL, and AS are competing, the bloodbath will make UA's routes less profitable, and we all have seen where that leads!

What smaller SEA destinations does UA have left that are potentially at risk?

Originally Posted by LarkSFO

The data is from the SEA-TAC web site.

2007 - 2013 figures, passenger statistics at SEA

Originally Posted by SeaProf

If you combine the UA/CO data and the DL/NW data, the patterns are very clear. United is in a stead decline that dramatically increased in 2013. Delta was in a steady decline but has altered course and is heading up.

Originally Posted by timfountain

Here's the reply I got when I sent my dissatisfaction note to UA on the PDX-LAX cancellation:

I regret your disappointment in our decision to withdraw our non-stop
service between Portland and Los Angeles.

We understand that the aircraft on that route often went out full, but a
full plane does not necessarily equate to profitable flying. Other
factors besides high passenger loads dictate whether the revenue we earn
covers the cost of the flight. At this time, we have decided to
reallocate the aircraft to a market that can provide better returns on
our investment.

As with any business, we monitor customer feedback. Your comments are
important to us and will help us evaluate our decisions that impact your
travel experience.

I understand your disappointment, but hope we are able to welcome you
onboard future United Airlines flights.

So is the only answer to cancel an unprofitable route? Perhaps they are so constrained that the only answer is to withdraw as opposed to stepping forward and providing a product that customers actually value.

Since I am lifetime Plat on AA, I can see more Alaska and AA flying in my future. I only switched to UA when I moved to PDX and realized how poor AA was for the PWN. But things have changed in the last 4 years with the Alsaka/AA tie-up and the AA/US merger. The playing field has changed and UA are still wondering where everyone went.

UA - you are muppets

Originally Posted by star_world

I think that's called "UA (finally) coming to their senses and realising that they don't need to build another SFO 650 miles up the coast".

DL is severely limited in its west coast options in comparison, and badly needs to grow at SEA - regardless of cost. But unless a big chunk of your operations are in Alaska, SEA is a terrible place geographically for a domestic hub. It makes a bit more sense as an international hub - c.f. DL. UA has SFO for that.