MP Accounts Closed by UA Alleging Fraud/Misuse
Jan 30, 2014, 9:39 am
#91
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I manage some of my relatives accounts. Hope that does not land me in trouble.
Jan 30, 2014, 10:14 am
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How does this sort of thing affect the businesses 
f award planners?
f award planners?
Jan 30, 2014, 10:14 am
#93
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Originally Posted by Often1:22252379
I would be interested in this type of program too. I wonder how BA deals with the situation where 1 member is a 1K/Plat and the rest are silver /no status. As for downside I'd be OK not giving friends miles/instruments - - I'll give them a box of chocolates (& some extra salty nuts) instead!!
Jan 30, 2014, 10:25 am
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So how does that work?
Jan 30, 2014, 10:31 am
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I don't, high value flyer decides who derives marginal benefit from UA decides that rather than jumping through hoops for a company that's already accused them of fraud, they'd take their business elsewhere. Plenty of people take decisions that might be marginally detrimental to them to punish a company that they believe hasn't behaved well.
Jan 30, 2014, 10:36 am
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Jan 30, 2014, 10:39 am
#97
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Originally Posted by alex_b:22252990
I don't, high value flyer decides who derives marginal benefit from UA decides that rather than jumping through hoops for a company that's already accused them of fraud, they'd take their business elsewhere. Plenty of people take decisions that might be marginally detrimental to them to punish a company that they believe hasn't behaved well.
Jan 30, 2014, 11:08 am
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For all of my latest award trips, the UA rep has asked for my pin. Add that to the customer's MP account # and you have direct access. The award planner is "managing" the account. Whether UA cares or not is a different story??? Apparently not, but wait until we hear about the award planner who go someone else's MP account canceled 
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Side question: What about purchased or earned via non-flying miles? If UA confiscates purchased miles is there a refund? What about miles earned through Chase CCs? I just don't know how that would work 
(I assume the account holder has a better case with purchased miles)
. (I assume the account holder has a better case with purchased miles)
Jan 30, 2014, 12:05 pm
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For all of my latest award trips, the UA rep has asked for my pin. Add that to the customer's MP account # and you have direct access. The award planner is "managing" the account. Whether UA cares or not is a different story??? Apparently not, but wait until we hear about the award planner who go someone else's MP account canceled .
Side question: What about purchased or earned via non-flying miles? If UA confiscates purchased miles is there a refund? What about miles earned through Chase CCs? I just don't know how that would work (I assume the account holder has a better case with purchased miles)
. Side question: What about purchased or earned via non-flying miles? If UA confiscates purchased miles is there a refund? What about miles earned through Chase CCs? I just don't know how that would work
(I assume the account holder has a better case with purchased miles)
Jan 30, 2014, 12:18 pm
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If miles are owned by the airline, when one purchases miles, exactly what is the property right being purchased? How can I purchase something (miles) from an airline, but the airline continues to own the miles? How do airlines commonly make the distinction that they can sell you something that you can't own?
Jan 30, 2014, 12:38 pm
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I've known people who worked for companies that claimed all of the miles. The people simply never bothered to sign up for the FF programs.
I doubt anyone can find a present day company that creates MP accounts for fliers and accumulates and uses miles flown by employees for its own benefit.
Jan 30, 2014, 12:41 pm
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I've heard about a few of these situations and there never seems to be a half-way. It's always closed and done. There is no negtiation. It's UA's program.
I've known people who worked for companies that claimed all of the miles. The people simply never bothered to sign up for the FF programs.
tiation. It's UA's program.I've known people who worked for companies that claimed all of the miles. The people simply never bothered to sign up for the FF programs.
Jan 30, 2014, 12:47 pm
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Jan 30, 2014, 1:08 pm
#104
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I see your point and noted. However, this relates to all of us managing 'spouse/children/infants/OP's small business account, etc' and UA need to explain what is right and wrong. No child's account managed by parents are allowed? No admin managing their manager's accounts, ect?
UA Insider or someone need to clarify or else we all making 'assumptions'...
UA Insider or someone need to clarify or else we all making 'assumptions'...
1) using someone else MP number on own travel (rental car mileage posted to someone else MP to extend expiration date)
2) pooling of miliage (infrequent flyer's miles used to upgrade other traveler trip)
3) giving someone else access to their MP account for the sole purpose of scaming the MP program
4) Other violations of rules pointed out by earlier posters
5) the other co-workers gave OP permission to perform the action with their MP account
Posters are asking why shouldn't they ask UA to re-instate the MP accounts with a warning. What are they going to say, that they were active participants is scaming the MP program?
Jan 30, 2014, 3:32 pm
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They could of course, to a party of salivating labor lawyers.
on topic - I suspect highly that the activities described went beyond "accessing another members' account" in order to generate mass closure.