MP Accounts Closed by UA Alleging Fraud/Misuse
#241
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MP Compliance has closed account - need advise
Got an email from Compliance that they have found upgrades being bartered / sold and have permanently closed my MP account and zeroed out the miles and upgrades.
I was not going to have any personal travel this year, so I gave away all my GPUs to friends, I don't understand why they would say its been bartered or sold. At this point my 490K RDMs and 1K status is gone - this is aggravating - do I have any recourse?
I have sent an email to compliance and a voicemail to the corp security asking what leads them to believe there is variance from T&Cs but haven't gotten a response. United is one of the preferred corp airlines and the most convenient one for me - I'd hate to have to fly another airline or keep flying united with no credit.
ALSO - does this mean I need to open a new MP account or does it mean I never get to have an MP account again?
Would appreciate tactical advice.
I was not going to have any personal travel this year, so I gave away all my GPUs to friends, I don't understand why they would say its been bartered or sold. At this point my 490K RDMs and 1K status is gone - this is aggravating - do I have any recourse?
I have sent an email to compliance and a voicemail to the corp security asking what leads them to believe there is variance from T&Cs but haven't gotten a response. United is one of the preferred corp airlines and the most convenient one for me - I'd hate to have to fly another airline or keep flying united with no credit.
ALSO - does this mean I need to open a new MP account or does it mean I never get to have an MP account again?
Would appreciate tactical advice.
#242
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I wouldn't open another account because its against T&C and will likely get you into more trouble. I alerted mods to move this over to United forum for you for better advice. Any chance one of your "friends" was already on a watch list for buying or selling upgrades?
Last edited by CDKing; Mar 13, 2015 at 7:41 am
#243
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Got an email from Compliance that they have found upgrades being bartered / sold and have permanently closed my MP account and zeroed out the miles and upgrades.
I was not going to have any personal travel this year, so I gave away all my GPUs to friends, I don't understand why they would say its been bartered or sold. At this point my 490K RDMs and 1K status is gone - this is aggravating - do I have any recourse?
I have sent an email to compliance and a voicemail to the corp security asking what leads them to believe there is variance from T&Cs but haven't gotten a response. United is one of the preferred corp airlines and the most convenient one for me - I'd hate to have to fly another airline or keep flying united with no credit.
ALSO - does this mean I need to open a new MP account or does it mean I never get to have an MP account again?
Would appreciate tactical advice.
I was not going to have any personal travel this year, so I gave away all my GPUs to friends, I don't understand why they would say its been bartered or sold. At this point my 490K RDMs and 1K status is gone - this is aggravating - do I have any recourse?
I have sent an email to compliance and a voicemail to the corp security asking what leads them to believe there is variance from T&Cs but haven't gotten a response. United is one of the preferred corp airlines and the most convenient one for me - I'd hate to have to fly another airline or keep flying united with no credit.
ALSO - does this mean I need to open a new MP account or does it mean I never get to have an MP account again?
Would appreciate tactical advice.
I doubt very much that UA would allow you to open a new FF account under the circumstances. If you are able to show them that you have not violated the regulations of your current account, they will re-open that account and restore your miles.
It's not clear from your post how many GPU's are in question or how many recipients were involved, but it's quite possible that a large number of GPU's being transferred to apparently unrelated recipients would attract UA's attention. (I am not suggesting that you post this information; I'm just stating that it's hard to comment without knowing the specifics.) But the burden of proof is probably on you to convince UA that your account activity which at least looks suspicious is in fact aboveboard.
#244
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Take a hard look at the people who were recipients of your GPUs. Do you genuinely trust them? Is there a chance that they sold your upgrade instruments to a broker? Have they bought upgrades from others in the past?
You might need to show UA that these people really are your friends. How do you know them (former roommate, from same home town, went to college together, work together, distant relative, etc.), especially if they seem to be random individuals flying from a variety of locations.
You might need to show UA that these people really are your friends. How do you know them (former roommate, from same home town, went to college together, work together, distant relative, etc.), especially if they seem to be random individuals flying from a variety of locations.
#245
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Our extensive number of reports on ClyerTalk from similar situations suggest:
1) Do NOT attempt to open a duplicate account! At this point, you are banned from doing so, so it would demonstrate prima facie non- compliance and likely would result in confiscation.
2) Contact their revenue protection unit / Compliance and have a dialogue in hopes you can get account, etc. restoration.
3) Be entirely forthcoming - these folks invariably know more than the account holder thinks they do. If you sold or bartered - engaged in any quid pro quo for - any GPUs to others, disclose.
4) Even if you had sold to a broker, they might release your account - with penalties - if you cooperate fully and fully disclose. They'd generally rather get the broker.
The UAMP Firum probably has threads relating similar issues with recommendations and guidance from UAMP members.
1) Do NOT attempt to open a duplicate account! At this point, you are banned from doing so, so it would demonstrate prima facie non- compliance and likely would result in confiscation.
2) Contact their revenue protection unit / Compliance and have a dialogue in hopes you can get account, etc. restoration.
3) Be entirely forthcoming - these folks invariably know more than the account holder thinks they do. If you sold or bartered - engaged in any quid pro quo for - any GPUs to others, disclose.
4) Even if you had sold to a broker, they might release your account - with penalties - if you cooperate fully and fully disclose. They'd generally rather get the broker.
The UAMP Firum probably has threads relating similar issues with recommendations and guidance from UAMP members.
#246
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Got an email from Compliance that they have found upgrades being bartered / sold and have permanently closed my MP account and zeroed out the miles and upgrades.
I was not going to have any personal travel this year, so I gave away all my GPUs to friends, I don't understand why they would say its been bartered or sold. At this point my 490K RDMs and 1K status is gone - this is aggravating - do I have any recourse?
I have sent an email to compliance and a voicemail to the corp security asking what leads them to believe there is variance from T&Cs but haven't gotten a response. United is one of the preferred corp airlines and the most convenient one for me - I'd hate to have to fly another airline or keep flying united with no credit.
ALSO - does this mean I need to open a new MP account or does it mean I never get to have an MP account again?
Would appreciate tactical advice.
I was not going to have any personal travel this year, so I gave away all my GPUs to friends, I don't understand why they would say its been bartered or sold. At this point my 490K RDMs and 1K status is gone - this is aggravating - do I have any recourse?
I have sent an email to compliance and a voicemail to the corp security asking what leads them to believe there is variance from T&Cs but haven't gotten a response. United is one of the preferred corp airlines and the most convenient one for me - I'd hate to have to fly another airline or keep flying united with no credit.
ALSO - does this mean I need to open a new MP account or does it mean I never get to have an MP account again?
Would appreciate tactical advice.
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#247
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UA doesn't take the issue of closing an account lightly. They're gonna have some pretty good evidence of conduct or use of benefits flagrantly in violation of the T&Cs to make that drastic step. Pleading ignorance is not going to get you anywhere. You need to find out what the violations were and address them.
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#249
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#250
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That thought did occur to me, too. Any time I've donated a GPU to a (legitimate) friend and they've had to make a change, I've had to be involved in the transaction and provide my MP account's PIN to the agent to do anything with the upgrade instrument.
#251
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I have given mine away many times. Miles, GPU, RPU ... never an issue. It sounds like UA takes a hard look at those cases where they are near certain someone 'sold' them for money.
#252
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UA doesn't take the issue of closing an account lightly. They're gonna have some pretty good evidence of conduct or use of benefits flagrantly in violation of the T&Cs to make that drastic step. Pleading ignorance is not going to get you anywhere. You need to find out what the violations were and address them.
They used to offer them openly for $400 but that was clearly a violation, so they come up with this new "trick".
E-Bay goes after them somewhat aggressively as they are now cheating E-Bay out of their commissions.
Whenever I see them, I report them to E-Bay.
All United has to do is ask E-Bay and they will probably cooperate. Or invest the one cent to get the seller to reveal who he really is.
#253
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Many years ago, I was a witness in a bankruptcy case where a businessman was suspected of liquidating business assets on Ebay. I found out at that time that there is a service you can pay for that allows access to all Ebay transactions back to the beginning of Ebay, and that it is quite easy to get the name, address, bank account, and paypal info of a seller for a legitimate reason.
Last edited by zombietooth; Mar 14, 2015 at 10:29 am
#254
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Not sure how much it matters though and if I have the patience or energy to deal with recourse. I will keep flying for work - United makes the most sense given my locations - I bit the bullet, called up Corp Sec - they wouldn't disclose the evidence, but said I was a high revenue 1-K and they'd make an exception for me and let me open a new account again to start afresh. I guess its something they typically don't let others do.
Got the account, figured it would suck to not get Econ+, so got an upgrade to MP Silver based on my Marriott Plat, have enough travel planned this year to get back to 1-K.
#255
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Got an email from Compliance that they have found upgrades being bartered / sold and have permanently closed my MP account and zeroed out the miles and upgrades.
I was not going to have any personal travel this year, so I gave away all my GPUs to friends, I don't understand why they would say its been bartered or sold. At this point my 490K RDMs and 1K status is gone - this is aggravating ...
Would appreciate tactical advice.
I was not going to have any personal travel this year, so I gave away all my GPUs to friends, I don't understand why they would say its been bartered or sold. At this point my 490K RDMs and 1K status is gone - this is aggravating ...
Would appreciate tactical advice.
However, having said all that, if you "gave" your GPUs away but "sold advice" at the same time, I'm afraid you've bartered your GPUs and you're out of luck.
Hey, net-net, I feel bad for you but am glad you got your account back.
Last edited by FlyinHawaiian; Mar 27, 2015 at 10:32 am Reason: Merge