escapefromphl

What are the chances of putting a 787 on SFO-CDG? Duh! not much I see it's a 767-300.

entropy

I'm a bit surprised with the SFO-CDG flight; but I think it is more interesting that all this growth is from the PMUA hubs.

AF makes big bucks with the IAH-CDG-oil destination traffic, and the other middle eastern carriers are eating the rest of the oil traffic out of IAH.

I would venture that the SFO traffic is more diverse and more CDG focused than the IAH traffic.

FriendlySkies

They've either not loaded space, or the inaugural is truly zeroed out up front for dignitaries, etc.

gengar

SFO-TPE is just too little, too late especially if it's on a 787.

halls120

The issue hasn't been EWR-DUB, it has been the IAD-AMS and IAD-CDG westbound stops at the seasonal UA hub at Goose Bay which some of us found objectionable.

And if UA has never flown SFO-PTY with anything nonstop, it isn't a downgrade to start it with a 757.

CubsFanJohn

I thought US-EU was Open Skies? Does it have something to do with the CDG slots?

noah

Very happy to see the return of SFO-CDG -- sadly about a year too late for my frequent trips between the two ending -- but still good to see it back.

AF was flying the A380 last summer and even had 2xdaily in peak season with a 747 or A340 and 380 so there is clearly lots of traffic. I think we can all agree that any paying premium passenger would be advised to choose AF but not everybody knows this so UA should be able to get some of this traffic.

I heard once that for AF, CDG-SFO had the "highest percentage of French passengers" compared to any other route they fly. The French love Northern California as a vacation and expat destination so I guess that didn't completely surprise me but that is a strange statistic and I can't find anything to back that up.

escapefromphl

I can't see any saver award availability through end of schedule, hopefully just not loaded yet.

mmack

What do they do there? Is there a Disney theme park?

Halo117

Heck yeah....many business decisions are made to retaliate and/or bluff against decisions made against a company involved reardless of the financial impact.

In this case Jeff threatened to stop the IAH term B exansion if WN got HOU INTL gates (bluff), then UA pulled IAH-AKL (claimed will lose money), they then issued layoff letters at IAH (claimed this would happen) and lastly they are pulling down IAH-CDG (claimed losing money). Now you have Spirit moving into IAH and AF putting 2X daily flights to CDG. All the while WN will not start flights out of HOU until 2015. Now announcing 10 new flights with IAH out in the cold. So in essence United will lose O&D traffic and connecting traffic while ceding market share in the southwest/mexico area and you think this was done as financially sound business move.

All of this occurring in the past 2 months....great coincedence or retaliation?

I just don't see how Jeff is planning to make up for the cuts at IAH that will keep his O&D/regional connecting passengers/ground staff happy to stick with UA. I know Jeff's game plan...he will try to show that IAH is losing more money than they gain from HOU INTL flights, so that the city may come back with great incentives as an apology, but at the same time its a big gamble because he is causing alot of ill will toward many O&D and connecting passengers. He is playing a game of chicken with a huge market to prove a point. As an added note.. The city of Houston did not have many options either....WN would start INTL operations at SAT or AUS if they didn't get approval at HOU then add in the fact that WN said they would pay for the new facilities.

bmvaughn

http://www.marketwire.com/press-rele...rk-1501411.htm


Have you even looked at O&D numbers for IAH? I'm guessing you haven't.

sfonorth

Looks like the flights are loaded into the system:

UA 990 SFO-CDG 14:45-10:45 (+1)
UA 991 CDG-SFO 10:00-12:50

Good flight times. Arrives in CDG earlier than if via a connecting flight. Return flight is a bit early though. Checking in at CDG-T1 is a zoo.

Anyone know what the SFO-TPE-SFO flight times will be?

zoegksf

There you are You are the first person I thought of when I heard this on the TV this morning. I am glad it's back too, just hoping they release I/IN for us more than 24 hours before flight.

golfingboy

Great news! I am really enjoying those route announcement lately. ^

Copa flies the 738 on PTY-EZE/GRU/GIG, so the 738 can do PTY-SFO and a 73G can do it in its sleep Naturally, I would prefer a 757 since there are more F seats

The 763s are not getting the "IPTE" seats, but they are being reconfigured with CO lie-flat BusinessFirst seats [similar to the ones found on sCO longhaul birds]. Nonetheless, it will be a vastly superior hard product compared to AF's lame C product.

Well it all started when UA picked Chicago to be the site of their headquarters, but IAH is one of the most profitable hubs in the world along with EWR, so UA is not going to downsize IAH. They will strong arm the city of Houston, but dumping IAH will break UA's bank. Yes, I am saying dumping IAH will push UA into the red no doubt. They have tons and tons of high yielding corporate contracts that is tied into IAH. Same with the finance contracts out of EWR connecting all of the big banks to London, Frankfurt, and Hong Kong. It is the contracts that makes both hubs wildly profitable, not because it is a fortress hub. So, the speculation of UA cutting a bunch of flights out of IAH or going to severly downsize IAH in favor of other hubs is just simply not going to happen unless UA wants to implode.

sbm12

I don't think there should be anything to transfer. That caveat was actually confusing to me as there should be Open Skies between the USA and EU. I don't know what approvals would be pending.