silent129

Thanks. If this is the return leg and I've used the outbound already, are they required to allow me to cancel and refund the unused portion or would this be a "favor"?

username

Not a surprise but the Taiwanese media reports that once the approval is received, the TPE-SFO will be:

UA 872 TPE-SFO 11:55 08:25
UA 871 SFO-TPE 13:30 17:55(+1)

so, similar to the old 844/845 schedule.

chrisksc

Of course I can but I am also an UA Premire 1K and would like to utilize my GPUs, so SQ would not do. SIN-NRT-USA / SIN-HKG-USA have always been tough to confirm at bookings and always boils down to waiting at the gate.

SFflyer123

hopefully, this will decompress some of the load on SFO-FRA and SFO-NRT

boilerla

This route is subsidized by Kelowna. They really wanted this flight, as SoCal is the #1 tourist destination for their citizens, and the Disney traffic could help pay for the subsidy. UA will fly the route as long as the subsidy continues I imagine.

Pretty much the same as if UA operated the route themselves from the USA. JV applies to routes from the US as well, so ANA gets to share in those profits. But UA also gets to coordinate pricing and schedules with ANA.

Depends what their plans are for the deliveries in 2013. They will have only a handful to play with, and I imagine they will want them to be based out of the same city.

The question is, what city will that be? DEN-NRT will be 787, but that's not starting until April. IAH was to be the original base, but now that IAH-AKL is gone that may not be the case anymore. I imagine you could make SFO the base, and have it do DEN-SFO turns for repositioning. But that's a seperate topic

unavaca

Aren't the seats on the PMCO 752's exactly the same as the new seats on the PMUA 763s?

pm6163

I have an award ticket in C for Feb 2013, EWR-NRT-TPE RT, all on UA metal, shall I be concerned or try to find NRT-TPE on NH?

minhaoxue

I'm surprised UA is bringing back the SFO-CDG route. The last time around the planes were filled but with milage runners and employees. The yields were trash and was a money loser, per UA manager at SFO.

As per their announcement, I guess they have a few corporate accounts to fill the front and it won't have a 1st class. But I still wonder about those milage runners/employees filling those seats.

As for the TPE route. Cargo will come into play and the prospect of Taiwan included in the VWP is encouraging.

Side note, looks like the second UA SFO-NRT flight will continue into the Winter schedule. Perhaps due to the loss of the NRT-TPE route to keep capacity in that region.

golfingboy

In that case UA will rebook you on NH for NRT-TPE in C if there is saver C award space available. NH is pretty good at releasing award space on intra-Asia flights. I would look up NRT-TPE for your trip and if there is space available then give UA a call.

Revenue-wise, it will probably be the same and possibly less since that means UA will lose a bunch of NH codeshares, which means loosing customers who books their ticket through NH's channels, plus with more competition yields will be lower. Another big thing about JV is cost. UA cannot match NH's lower operating costs in/out of TYO. NH has far more flights in/out of NRT, so they can spread the fixed/sunk costs over more flights thus lowering fixed costs per flight, and they surely have more favorable contracts/agreements with various vendors in NRT. So, by letting NH take over the intra-Asia routes, funneling UA passengers onto NH flights, and working with NH, UA won't have to worry about the overhead costs associated with having those short flights and still get to enjoy a slice of the revenue pie on those routes. Same goes for NH in the US. It is better to work together to maximize yields and profitability than trying to compete with each other on a given route. Like Aristotle said "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts".

LarkSFO

Thanks!

kevincrumbs

Beats the old NRT-TPE flight arriving late in the night at TPE.

PanAmWT

Seatguru

Boeing 757-200 (757) 31.0" 17.0"
Boeing 757-300 (753) (Originally Continental) 32.0" 17.2"
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Boeing 767-300 US (763) 31.0" 18.0"
Boeing 767-400ER V2 32.0" 17.9"

+1
Also, leave 1.5 hour latter in the morning for the TPE airport, less hurried and less traffic.

unavaca

Nice. 6pm arrival still gives me time to catch the HSR to the South side.

Ah, I was talking about the seat in C. Yeah, 17" sucks.

PanAmWT

Wonder if this is due to loss of passengers who go for the HND-TSA flights. If I were starting from Tokyo rather than SFO, I would definitely do that.

I Prefer the Red Eye

Agreed. Bit of a surprising move, though....

Here I was, quietly hoping for the return of LAX-FRA....