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ahmetdouas Jun 16, 2021 2:12 pm


Originally Posted by USA_flyer (Post 33333774)
That's utter rubbish. The gov will not want the travel industry closed down any longer than necessary.

you can’t be serious. UK has far stricter requirements for travel than most countries it does the most biz with, Europe and US look like paradise in comparison.

Paying for 4 tests to come to UK and quarantine for 5 days is an embarrassment and doesn’t exactly promote following the rules for the sake of the science, it feels more like a punishment for daring to travel

JEM_NYC Jun 16, 2021 2:52 pm


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33333435)
Gosh, well they are currently on 10% Delta, we are now on 95% Delta. We were 10% Delta on approx 10 May. India was added to the Red list on 23 April So unless the USA takes advantage of the next 2 weeks or so, they are 5 weeks off a Delta surge. Because Delta is very transmissable I can't see any other way, apart from double vaccines to the under 30 year olds, to block its progress throuugh the USA. It may be possible to localise the spread.perhaps. But they seem a month away from where the UK is now, as things stand. Will the USA be red listed? Very difficult to see that, that same month gives the UK the opportunity to get vaccines to 90%/75%.

If, by “takes advantage” you mean if the USA declares Covid over and stops vaccinating, then we have it well in hand. If you meant take steps to prevent the Delta variant making a lot of people sick, then no, we are kind of f**ked.

HB7 Jun 16, 2021 3:11 pm


Originally Posted by USA_flyer (Post 33333774)
That's utter rubbish. The gov will not want the travel industry closed down any longer than necessary.

You genuinely haven't got a clue. What has the government done, or even said to support your argument? Have you seen anything remotely promising for a sector that is on its knees? Just one positive thing. Lufthansa is flying widebodies to Majorca of all places and UK airlines are cancelling flights till August.

PxC Jun 16, 2021 3:52 pm

A positive government leak perhaps..?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1d559aec60.png

adrianlondon Jun 16, 2021 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33334154)
A positive government leak perhaps..?

Fingers crossed. That will bring the UK into line (if it can be phrased that way) with the EU/Schengen plans.

As many people here have posted before, it's contradictory to tell people they should get vaccinated because it stops them getting seriously ill and reduces the chances of them transmitting the illness to their loved ones, while then saying that vaccinated travellers are disease bags who need to be tested three or four times (once to fly, day 2 & 8, day 5 to release) and not leave their house.

Putting a country green for a few weeks just so some MP can go watch a football match isn't enough. Yeah, I'm ranting :) I live in Switzerland and really want to fly back to stock up on teabags, err I mean see my family.

This rumour/leak has hit Sky news too. The more articles the better!
https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-...-jabs-12334485

ahmetdouas Jun 16, 2021 4:08 pm


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33334154)
A positive government leak perhaps..?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1d559aec60.png

well the next review is within 10 days!

NWIFlyer Jun 16, 2021 5:55 pm

Given the government has a habit of giving concessions when legally threatened, this post in the CV & Travel forum might be of interest in terms of understanding the timing of this briefing to the Telegraph.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/33334362-post8655.html

ahmetdouas Jun 16, 2021 6:27 pm


Originally Posted by NWIFlyer (Post 33334380)
Given the government has a habit of giving concessions when legally threatened, this post in the CV & Travel forum might be of interest in terms of understanding the timing of this briefing to the Telegraph.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/33334362-post8655.html

It took them long enough.
Another tactic can always be "we voted Brexit to have more rights than EU, not less rights than EU" in this case in terms of travel because the UK rules look far stricter than Europe's at the moment.

DaveS Jun 16, 2021 11:35 pm


Originally Posted by NWIFlyer (Post 33334380)
Given the government has a habit of giving concessions when legally threatened, this post in the CV & Travel forum might be of interest in terms of understanding the timing of this briefing to the Telegraph.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/33334362-post8655.html

It is also reported on the BBC here.


Ryanair and Manchester Airports Group take legal action over travel traffic light system

Ryanair and the owner of Manchester, London Stansted and East Midlands airports are to launch a legal challenge against the government over the travel traffic light system.

They call for more transparency about how the government decides which countries qualify for the green list of safe places to visit amid the pandemic.

The BBC understands it has the backing of other major UK airlines.

The boss of Ryanair, Michael O'Leary, wants Boris Johnson to explain the scientific basis behind the system which he says the government "seems to make up" as it goes along.

Further signatories to the challenge are set to be revealed on Thursday. They are demanding a fast response as the crucial summer season edges closer.

Schwann Jun 16, 2021 11:36 pm

Looks like a positive development, hopefully it is followed through! We all know where these Telegraph stories come from so fingers crossed it won't be another flipflop policy.

I think this combined with a sensible testing regime should enable the safe return of travel for inbound and outbound tourism.

Dan1113 Jun 17, 2021 1:25 am

A positive development but I always sigh when I read things like this because I would imagine Scotland would not adopt it meaning that if you arrived to England, I assume that if you then drive across to Scotland you would have a legal requirement to go back into quarantine?

southlondonphil Jun 17, 2021 2:02 am


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33334154)
A positive government leak perhaps..?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1d559aec60.png

The cynic in me says that the above is an easy political win claiming to be "on the side of the (vaccinated) traveller" by removing quarantine-on-return, whilst knowing full well that, barring a few exceptions, the rest of the world is clamping down on visitors from the 'Plague Island' UK because of the latest mess they got us into with the Delta variant being allowed to run rife. Being able to say they've opened up the borders and it's "forriners" (in particular 'Europe') that is limiting our freedoms is par for the course with this government.

HB7 Jun 17, 2021 2:28 am

I have wondered for months and posted here why there has been no legal challenge from the airlines. They all need to band together and make the government explain exactly what data/science/evidence is being used to determine the green list. They are clearly not using data, so I think there is a case to answer for, hopefully the judge can see it this way if it does end up in court. Or, allow fully vaxxed travellers to travel freely from July 1 in line with the EU.

Silver Fox Jun 17, 2021 3:21 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33335142)
I have wondered for months and posted here why there has been no legal challenge from the airlines. They all need to band together and make the government explain exactly what data/science/evidence is being used to determine the green list. They are clearly not using data, so I think there is a case to answer for, hopefully the judge can see it this way if it does end up in court. Or, allow fully vaxxed travellers to travel freely from July 1 in line with the EU.

I would also add that if you are double jabbed, for you Tommy the war is over and life goes back to normal. If one of the most litigous countries on the planet can start to do it, then that tells me all I need to know.

Kgmm77 Jun 17, 2021 4:13 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33335142)
I have wondered for months and posted here why there has been no legal challenge from the airlines. They all need to band together and make the government explain exactly what data/science/evidence is being used to determine the green list. They are clearly not using data, so I think there is a case to answer for, hopefully the judge can see it this way if it does end up in court. Or, allow fully vaxxed travellers to travel freely from July 1 in line with the EU.

There was no real point in doing it before now. The wasn’t sufficient numbers of people wanting to travel until recently to make it economically viable for the airlines, in part influenced by the fact many other countries wouldn’t let U.K. travellers in.

Obviously that’s changed with many EU states opening up and the U.K. becomes somewhat of an outlier.

I look forward though to the usual anti-restriction Brexiteers in the media making a case for EU alignment, whilst maintaining a straight face.


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