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Kgmm77 Jun 12, 2021 6:14 am

I agree with the comments above. Context has been lost in all of this. The “lockdown extended” narrative is utterly misleading, the U.K. has substantially less restrictions currently than most other developed countries. The vaccination headstart over other countries (which probably has saved thousands of lives) was always going to be temporary.

The WHO and any immunologist worth their salt has told us consistent things won’t go fully back to “normal” for years. So if that is your expectation you are going to be consistently disappointed and aggravated. As for Boris’ “grand unlocking day”, why, at this point would anyone believe a word he says?

cauchy Jun 12, 2021 6:35 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33322699)
To those who want all remaining restrictions lifted, I'd ask: what exactly is it that you want to do that you cannot currently do?

If the answer to this is "nothing", then another month of restrictions will achieve "nothing" too.

The problem is we all know one delay will lead to another. So really, people unhappy with the remaining restrictions are unhappy that the machinery of coercion is staying in place indefinitely.

corporate-wage-slave Jun 12, 2021 6:52 am


Originally Posted by squawk (Post 33322654)
First, the phrase co-morbidity is widely misunderstood: it simply means occurring alongside another condition. In English I often see a connection made between the phrase and being 'morbidly obese', which perhaps leads to a particular sense of judgement and "it's their own fault". Leaving aside the rights and wrongs of this, the point is that there are an awful lot of people out there who have other conditions that make them more susceptible to negative outcomes from Covid.

Morbid is indeed unfortunate in terminology since it has two meanings
- something unpleasant or disturbing
- something that indicates disease.

So morbidly obese means someone whose weight is likely to indicate disease. Morbid hypertension is equally misunderstood, since some forms of high blood pressure are not morbid, it's just the bell curve effect. But the first meaning gets pushed over to the second meaning. Morbidus is the Latin word for disease.

Gagravarr Jun 12, 2021 7:07 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33322699)
To those who want all remaining restrictions lifted, I'd ask: what exactly is it that you want to do that you cannot currently do?

Main domestic restrictions for me are around events.

I have a lot of friends who do theatre, amateur and professional. Amateur stuff normally struggles anyway, and with a socially distanced audience they can't make enough to cover the cost of the venue let alone anything else. Most professional stuff would loose so much on current audience caps that they're not even trying, so there's very little on to go see.

HB7 Jun 12, 2021 7:22 am

Personally, I have no issues if restrictions like distancing and masks remain for a while longer, but I still don't understand why travel is affected. It is safe enough now to fly from most countries in the EU, the US and many Asian countries into the UK with the testing requirements in place.

I think masks will stick around for awhile - likely till every single person over the age of 12 has been offered a vaccine. I hate wearing the mask - but I have no issues continuing to wear it for the rest of the year.

I have no issue with social distancing requirements kept - but this means that places such as nightclubs need more financial support (fyi - I haven't been to a club in 10 years, have no intentions of such and have nothing to do with night clubs, however, the people working in that industry deserve to be supported as much as anyone else).

Travel can be safe, and even green list travel has tedious testing requirements that are EXPENSIVE and can be cheaper. Why can't we facilitate safer travel to many countries with FAIR pricing for testing so that the millions of people directly and indirectly affected by travel can keep their job?

If you want to then cut out visitors from visiting the UK, just make it illegal for non-residents/citizens to come into the UK?

13901 Jun 12, 2021 8:20 am


Originally Posted by Misco60 (Post 33322699)
To those who want all remaining restrictions lifted, I'd ask: what exactly is it that you want to do that you cannot currently do?

I don't want to have all remaining restrictions lifted, I'm perfectly fine with working from home, wearing a mask and so on... but I'd like to be able to travel. To see my friends, family, my clients, my colleagues and, yes, maybe the odd holiday too when time allows. I'm happy with being tested, but I want the opportunity to travel without having to self-isolate or to gift 200+ quid to some friends-of for a half-arsed PCR test.

It's absurd that because those in charge were asleep at the wheel (or, worse, didn't care) regarding India this cannot happen for travels to safe destinations.

DaveS Jun 12, 2021 9:10 am

Daily data:

Cases 7,738 (5,765 last Saturday)
Deaths 12 (13)
Patients admitted 187 (154 on the 1st)
Patients in hospital 1,089 (932 on the 3rd)
Patients in ventilation beds 158 (134 on the 3rd)
People vaccinated up to and including 11 June 2021:
First dose: 41,291,331
Second dose: 29,450,653

The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 52.5% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is down 1.6%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 8.6 today.

PxC Jun 12, 2021 10:12 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33322855)
Personally, I have no issues if restrictions like distancing and masks remain for a while longer, but I still don't understand why travel is affected. It is safe enough now to fly from most countries in the EU, the US and many Asian countries into the UK with the testing requirements in place.

I think masks will stick around for awhile - likely till every single person over the age of 12 has been offered a vaccine. I hate wearing the mask - but I have no issues continuing to wear it for the rest of the year.

Currently, about 1/1000 people in my city have Covid. How is it not absurd to make 999 non infected people wear a face mask (for which the point is to protect others from you not protect yourself) just so that the one (for whom there is a decent chance they will be isolating anyway) has less chance of passing on the infection? And that’s before considering things like vaccination status. Removal of mask requirements seems to have made no negative difference to the US at all, unsurprisingly.

Internaut Jun 12, 2021 10:32 am


Originally Posted by 13901 (Post 33322974)
It's absurd that because those in charge were asleep at the wheel (or, worse, didn't care) regarding India this cannot happen for travels to safe destinations.

No one was asleep at the wheel. They were desperately chasing a deal. Our trading issues with the continent lead to a lot of decision making from a position of weakness.

Internaut Jun 12, 2021 10:34 am


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33323202)
Currently, about 1/1000 people in my city have Covid. How is it not absurd to make 999 non infected people wear a face mask (for which the point is to protect others from you not protect yourself) just so that the one (for whom there is a decent chance they will be isolating anyway) has less chance of passing on the infection? And that’s before considering things like vaccination status. Removal of mask requirements seems to have made no negative difference to the US at all, unsurprisingly.

Mostly because wearing a mask isn’t exactly hard for a very considerable majority.

PxC Jun 12, 2021 10:41 am


Originally Posted by Internaut (Post 33323246)
Mostly because wearing a mask isn’t exactly hard for a very considerable majority.

That doesn’t mean people should be forced to do it, there has to be some boundaries considering effectiveness. 1/1000..

paulaf Jun 12, 2021 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by PxC (Post 33323271)
That doesn’t mean people should be forced to do it, there has to be some boundaries considering effectiveness. 1/1000..

That's why i find it difficult to understand countries where you have to wear one outside too, so ineffective.

Kgmm77 Jun 12, 2021 3:26 pm


Originally Posted by paulaf (Post 33323664)
That's why i find it difficult to understand countries where you have to wear one outside too, so ineffective.

I’ve been driving for decades without a car crash and still am required to wear a seat belt.

And car crashes aren’t highly contagious….

casper.slo Jun 12, 2021 4:28 pm

Since when COVID is highly contagious outdoors? If you have some new evidence to it I'm genuinely interested to see it.

Kgmm77 Jun 12, 2021 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by casper.slo (Post 33323921)
Since when COVID is highly contagious outdoors? If you have some new evidence to it I'm genuinely interested to see it.

I was referring to the 1/1000 risk quoted.

That’s fine if the transmission risk onwards from that rare outdoor infection was 1/1000. But that person who gets exposed outdoors then exposes to family, co-workers etc. indoors. at an exponentially higher rate.

Hence the Swiss cheese model of risk reduction, of which masks are a part.


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