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Dan1113 Sep 17, 20 9:27 am

Local lockdowns in the UK
 
For those living in Wales in the two countries where you're not meant to leave without good reason, is traveling abroad thus illegal, or is it like the five mile guidance like we all had before?

KARFA Sep 17, 20 9:55 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 32682042)
For those living in Wales in the two countries where you're not meant to leave without good reason, is traveling abroad thus illegal, or is it like the five mile guidance like we all had before?

yes. any travel outside the defined area is prohibited unless for one of the exemptions:


"...without a reasonable excuse, leave the area or remain away from the area.

(2) A reasonable excuse includes the need to do the following outside the local health protection area—

(a)obtain—

(i)food and medical supplies for those in the same household (including animals in the household) or for vulnerable persons;

(ii)supplies for the essential upkeep, maintenance and functioning of the household, or the household of a vulnerable person;

(b)obtain money from or deposit money with any business or service listed in paragraph 6 or 7 of Schedule 4;

(c)obtain or provide medical assistance, including accessing any of the services referred to in paragraph 10 of Schedule 4 or accessing veterinary services;

(d)provide or receive care or assistance, including relevant personal care, within the meaning of paragraph 7(3B) of Schedule 4 to the Safeguarding of Vulnerable Groups Act 2006(2), where the person receiving the care is a vulnerable person;

(e)work or provide voluntary or charitable services, where it is not reasonably practicable to do so from home;

(f)where the person is an elite athlete, train and compete;

(g)provide or receive emergency assistance;

(h)attend a solemnization of a marriage or formation of a civil partnership—

(i)as a party to the marriage or civil partnership,

(ii)if invited to attend, or

(iii)as the carer of a person attending;

(i)attend a funeral—

(i)as a person responsible for arranging the funeral,

(ii)if invited by a person responsible for arranging the funeral, or

(iii)as the carer of a person attending;

(j)meet a legal obligation, including attending court or satisfying bail conditions, or to participate in legal proceedings;

(k)access or receive public services;

(l)access or receive childcare or education services;

(m)in relation to children who do not live in the same household as their parents, or one of their parents, continue existing arrangements for access to, and contact between, parents and children, and for the purposes of this paragraph, “parent” includes a person who is not a parent of the child, but who has parental responsibility for, or who has care of, the child;

(n)move home;

(o)undertake activities in connection with the purchase, sale, letting, or rental of residential property;

(p)avoid injury or illness or escape a risk of harm.

(3) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1), it is not a reasonable excuse for a person to leave, or remain away from, a local health protection area to do anything if it would be reasonably practicable for the person to do that thing within the area."

Dan1113 Sep 17, 20 10:39 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 32682109)
yes. any travel outside the defined area is prohibited unless for one of the exemptions:

Wow, ok. Was this the case in Wales during the main lockdown a few months ago as well? Since as far as I understood, in England the distance guidelines were only guidelines, and in Scotland the 5 mile limit was also only guideline including during the recent Aberdeen local lockdown.

KARFA Sep 17, 20 10:46 am


Originally Posted by Dan1113 (Post 32682231)
Wow, ok. Was this the case in Wales during the main lockdown a few months ago as well? Since as far as I understood, in England the distance guidelines were only guidelines, and in Scotland the 5 mile limit was also only guideline including during the recent Aberdeen local lockdown.

during main lockdown you could only leave your home for certain limited reasons.

as far as I am aware England generally never had any distance guidelines or legal restriction like that. When things started to be relaxed there was a period where you could leave home for any reason but had to be home again by the nighttime.

Dan1113 Sep 17, 20 10:53 am


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 32682259)
during main lockdown you could only leave your home for certain limited reasons.

as far as I am aware England generally never had any distance guidelines or legal restriction like that. When things started to be relaxed there was a period where you could leave home for any reason but had to be home again by the nighttime.

I think the 5 mile limit in Scotland once things started relaxing and during the Aberdeen lockdown was just guidance?

flyertalker28120 Sep 17, 20 11:53 pm

Is there anything like a local lockdown in the City of Manchester?

Just curious as I have a trip coming up. Thus far, I merely observed the case numbers which seem elevated.

NWIFlyer Sep 18, 20 12:01 am


Originally Posted by funkydrummer (Post 32683637)
Is there anything like a local lockdown in the City of Manchester?

Just curious as I have a trip coming up. Thus far, I merely observed the case numbers which seem elevated.

Most of the Manchester boroughs are currently under additional restrictions but not a local lockdown. As a visitor, youíre unlikely to notice any of these - they cover things such as not meeting in another familyís house.

That is not to say that these restrictions will not be increased at any time, and indeed that could apply anywhere in the country at comparatively short notice - as you can see from the position in some Welsh counties.

The _Banking_Scot Sep 18, 20 6:42 am

Hi,

And some increasing restrictions in the North West ( per the bbc)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-54194804

Regards

TBS

:D! Sep 18, 20 9:45 am

To me the word "lockdown" means at least the situation in France during April, where you had to do something like print a form with the reason and the time you left your home, or in some South American countries where (IIRC) each household was assigned an hour to send one member shopping and everyone else had to stay indoors.

By this definition there was never any lockdown in England, yes I couldn't go out to eat and I couldn't take a train to York unless it was for work, but actually I could have travelled to Australia (as a citizen) under the guise that I was "going home" or to one of the other places where I have residency, and in fact several of my family members in London did just that.

I suppose there was no need for the government guidance to say that you couldn't go on holiday as most countries would not let you in. Though I know some people who went on "holiday" to ride out the UK restrictions in Sweden and other countries.

To me most of these local lockdowns don't really qualify as lockdowns as they are mainly saying that you can't go to someone else's house and in some cases that certain businesses have to close (earlier than usual).

So I was surprised to see the travel restrictions for the two counties in Wales, and this time the Welsh government website specifically says that you can't go on holiday, which is a step up from before. Though I suppose Wales has done some things a little differently, for example writing the 1 hour of daily exercise into law, which was not the case in other UK countries. However reading the legislation posted by KARFA it is worded in the same way as the initial restrictions - you need a reasonable excuse to leave but there is only a suggestion of excuses that are definitely considered reasonable and basically leaving it up to the police or a judge to decide.

KARFA Sep 18, 20 10:02 am


Originally Posted by :D! (Post 32684458)
So I was surprised to see the travel restrictions for the two counties in Wales, and this time the Welsh government website specifically says that you can't go on holiday, which is a step up from before. Though I suppose Wales has done some things a little differently, for example writing the 1 hour of daily exercise into law, which was not the case in other UK countries. However reading the legislation posted by KARFA it is worded in the same way as the initial restrictions - you need a reasonable excuse to leave but there is only a suggestion of excuses that are definitely considered reasonable and basically leaving it up to the police or a judge to decide.

The two ones in Wales are outliers really as they impose restrictions on people leaving the designated area, and on people from outside entering. The original national lockdown was based on a reasonable excuse to leave your home per se, rather than leaving an area.

None of the local lockdowns in England include anything like the two in Wales. Instead the ones in England merely prevent gathering of people from two or more households in private dwellings unless they are a linked household (commonly known as the social bubble allowed if one household is is a lone adult) or some specific other exemptions. Also the England local restrictions apply to the person whether in the designated area or not. So someone in a local lockdown area can't gather in a private dwelling with another household in the designated area, and additionally can't gather in a private dwelling with another household even if that dwelling is outside the local area. So if you are in the North East you can't visit another houshold in say Cumbria even though there is no lockdown in Cumbria. So you are not limited in your travel, but you are limited in gathering with others in private dwellings anywhere in the country.

NewbieRunner Sep 18, 20 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by KARFA (Post 32684515)
The two ones in Wales are outliers really as they impose restrictions on people leaving the designated area, and on people from outside entering. The original national lockdown was based on a reasonable excuse to leave your home per se, rather than leaving an area.

The original lockdown in Wales included travel restrictions of 5 miles from home though it had to be a guideline as some people had to travel more than 5 miles to get to the nearest shop. The restrictions were only lifted on 6 July. I’m not sure if people in Wales were caught trying to leave Wales but people travelling to Wales from England were certainly stopped on popular routes into Wales such as the A55 near Chester.

KARFA Sep 19, 20 2:49 am


Originally Posted by NewbieRunner (Post 32685378)
The original lockdown in Wales included travel restrictions of 5 miles from home though it had to be a guideline as some people had to travel more than 5 miles to get to the nearest shop. The restrictions were only lifted on 11 July. Iím not sure if people in Wales were caught trying to leave Wales but people travelling to Wales from England were certainly stopped on popular routes into Wales such as the A55 near Chester.

Yes. I am not sure whether 5 miles was merely guidance or in the statutory instrument, but certainly these new restrictions for the two local lockdowns in Wales are. It seems a different approach than England where there were never limitations like that.

KARFA Sep 22, 20 7:41 am

To be replaced by the Tier system with effect from 14 October as detailed in post 37

Just to update, local lockdowns in England include restrictions on mixing with other households in private dwellings (including dwellings inside and outside the protected area) and on business being closed or restricted opening. From October some of these areas have increased restrictions where any indoor meetings (i.e. not just private dwellings) of two or more people is not allowed subject to exceptions.

There is no restriction to travel within these local lockdown rules, or on leaving/entering them.

Updated 3 October
The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Leicester) (No. 2) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/824/contents

The area of Leicester City Council
The area of Oadby and Wigston Borough Council

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Bolton) Regulations 2020 (revoked 3 October, Bolton moved to The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (North of England) Regulations 2020)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/974/contents

The area of Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Birmingham, Sandwell and Solihull) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/.../contents/made

The area of Birmingham City Council
The area of Sandwell Metropolitan Borough Council
The area of Solihull Metropolitan Borough Council
The area of City of Wolverhampton Council

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (North of England) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/828/contents
For these areas the restrictions do not allow mixing with other households in private dwellings (including dwellings inside and outside the protected area).

Greater Manchester
The area of Bolton Metropolitan Borough Council (added from 3 October SI 2020/1074)
The area of Bury Metropolitan Borough Council (added from 30 September SI 2020/1057)
The area of Manchester City Council
The area of Oldham Metropolitan Borough Council
The area of Rochdale Borough Council
The area of Salford City Council
The area of Tameside Metropolitan Borough Council
The area of Trafford Metropolitan Borough Council
The area of Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council (added from 26 September SI 2020/1041)
The area of Wigan Metropolitan Borough Council (added from 26 September SI 2020/1041)

West Yorkshire
The area of the City of Bradford Metropolitan District Council
The area of Calderdale Metropolitan Borough Council
The area of Kirklees Metropolitan Council
The area of Leeds City Council (added from 26 September SI 2020/1041)

Lancashire & Merseyside
The area of Blackburn with Darwen Borough Council
The area of Blackpool Council (added from 26 September SI 2020/1041)
The area of Burnley Borough Council
The area of Chorley Borough Council
The area of Fylde Borough Council
The area of Hyndburn Borough Council
The area of Lancaster City Council
The area of Pendle Borough Council
The area of Preston City Council
The area of Ribble Valley Borough Council
The area of Rossendale Borough Council
The area of South Ribble Borough Council
The area of West Lancashire Borough Council
The area of Wyre Borough Council

The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (North East and North West of England) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1010/contents
From early October these areas have increased restrictions where any indoor meetings (i.e. not just private dwellings) of two or more people is not allowed - subject to a few exceptions.

The area of Durham County Council
The area of Gateshead Council
The area of Hartlepool Borough Council (added from 3 October SI 2020/1074)
The area of Middlesbrough Council (added from 3 October SI 2020/1074)
The area of Newcastle City Council
The area of Northumberland County Council
The area of North Tyneside Council
The area of South Tyneside Council
The area of Sunderland City Council

The area of Halton Borough Council
The area of Knowsley Metropolitan Borough Council
The area of Liverpool City Council
The area of Sefton Borough Council
The area of St Helens Borough Council
The area of Warrington Borough Council
The area of Wirral Metropolitan District Council

KARFA Sep 22, 20 7:55 am

To be replaced by the "fire break" for all of Wales with effect from 6pm 23 October as detailed in posts 85 & 89

For Wales the local lockdowns there are additional restrictions which mean people inside the areas cannot leave without a reasonable excuse, and those outside cannot enter without a reasonable excuse.

Updated 9 October 2020

The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 2) (Wales) Regulations 2020
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/wsi/2020/725/contents

Added from 6pm 8 September SI 2020/961
Caerphilly County Borough

Added from 6pm 17 September SI 2020/1007
Rhondda Cynon Taf County Borough

Added from 6pm 22 September SI 2020/1022
Blaenau Gwent County Borough
Bridgend County Borough
Merthyr Tydfil County Borough
City and County Borough of Newport

Added from 6pm 26 September SI 2020/1040
The area comprising the following electoral divisions in the county of Carmarthenshire - Bigyn, Bynea, Dafen, Elli, Felinfoel, Glanymor, Hendy, Hengoed, Llangennech, Lliedi, Llwynhendy, Tyisha, and Swiss Valley

Added from 6pm 27 September SI 2020/1043
City and County of Cardiff
City and County of Swansea

Added from 6pm 28 September SI 2020/1049
Neath Port Talbot County Borough
Torfaen County Borough
Vale of Glamorgan County Borough

Added from 6pm 1 October SI 2020/1066
Conwy County Borough
County of Denbighshire
County of Flintshire
Wrexham County Borough

Added from 6pm 10 October SI 2020/1102
The area comprising the following electoral divisions in the county of Gwynedd - Deiniol, Dewi, Garth, Glyder, Hendre, Hirael, Marchog, and Menai

Misco60 Sep 25, 20 6:43 am


Originally Posted by scottishpoet (Post 32699602)
In her briefing today, Ms Sturgeon has once again asked that people avoid unnecessary international travel.

And the Welsh First Minister has made it clear that anyone living in the locked-down areas (which cover much of the south) would be breaking the law by going on holiday.


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