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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
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I may be a bit incautious here, but I think, think, that Blackburn has now peaked in terms of confirmed cases, the figures will go up today and tomorrow. So the current average cases (not weighted for population) is 125, it will go 134 today, 143 tomorrow, then about 138 on Monday and perhaps 130 on Tuesday.
The next two locations with high and increasing infections are Salford then Manchester, but Manchester has twice the population of Salford so it's big enough to show up on the UK stats. Stockport is not far behind. Cases are rising in all three, but not at the pace of Blackburn yet. I would say all three locations will have up to another week of rises, but in all 3 places this epidemic is very concentrated in the young, more so than Bolton (which is still falling) and Blackburn. What is therefore critical is that we don't have another Bolton or Blackburn and try to keep the surges in the existing places rather than going national. |
Looks like another four weeks of the status quo. FWIW, I think it's the right decision - better to delay the next easing than have to go back to stricter measures.
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Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 33327033)
Looks like another four weeks of the status quo. FWIW, I think it's the right decision - better to delay the next easing than have to go back to stricter measures.
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Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 33327033)
Looks like another four weeks of the status quo. FWIW, I think it's the right decision - better to delay the next easing than have to go back to stricter measures.
* However, I am deeply pessimistic about travel abroad within the next twelve months, not to mention the prospect of life dominated by whatever new variant of concern du jour. |
Originally Posted by Internaut
(Post 33327095)
* However, I am deeply pessimistic about travel abroad within the next twelve months, not to mention the prospect of life dominated by whatever new variant of concern du jour.
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Right decision on restrictions, imo. Better to stay where we are than have to go backwards later (and this is coming from a 20-something who would give anything to be in a nightclub again). Saying that, I live in Scotland so are rules are different anyway.
One thing I am fresh out of patience for is restricting travel to and from EU countries where the infection rate is a fraction of ours, vaccination rates are high and the only variant of concern is the one we gave them. Specifically for countries like Finland, Malta and Germany amber list status is becoming harder and harder to justify with every passing day. Watching the EU work hard to facilitate travel for fully vaccinated individuals while the UK continues to put up as many roadblocks as possible only adds insult to injury. I understand that HMG doesn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry running off to Spain but it would be nice if fully vaccinated people could go see their equally fully vaccinated family members in an extremely low-risk country without endless quarantining and forking over hundreds of pounds for PCR tests. I would be happy to keep the tests even, if we could ditch the quarantine. |
Originally Posted by liquidtoast
(Post 33327117)
...and the only variant of concern is the one we gave them.
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Originally Posted by liquidtoast
(Post 33327117)
I understand that HMG doesn't want every Tom, Dick and Harry running off to Spain but it would be nice if fully vaccinated people could go see their equally fully vaccinated family members in an extremely low-risk country without endless quarantining and forking over hundreds of pounds for PCR tests. I would be happy to keep the tests even, if we could ditch the quarantine.
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Originally Posted by tjcxx
(Post 33327211)
Or perhaps "the one we sequenced and so identified for the greater global good (and them)"
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33327364)
This is where personal sympathy and pandemic logic cross over each other. People going to the beach, staying in a hotel, social distancing, wearing masks, remains lower risk than meeting friends / family in their homes, without social distancing, without masks. Now if everyone concerned, including children, has been given both vaccines the risk is very low. But I'm not sure it's as low as lying on a beach.
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Daily data:
Cases 7,742 (5,683 last Monday) Deaths 3 (1) People vaccinated up to and including 13 June 2021: First dose: 41,698,429 Second dose: 29,973,779 The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 45.5% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is up 11.9%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is 9.4 today. |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33327364)
This is where personal sympathy and pandemic logic cross over each other. People going to the beach, staying in a hotel, social distancing, wearing masks, remains lower risk than meeting friends / family in their homes, without social distancing, without masks. Now if everyone concerned, including children, has been given both vaccines the risk is very low. But I'm not sure it's as low as lying on a beach.
The logic is spot on but the rules really don’t follow the logic. Travel flows from MAN-LHR are far more risky than the likes of MLA-LHR yet the riskier journey carries no restrictions. These travel rules are an utter nonsense and the only science which is guiding them is political. If there was any science behind the restrictions then we wouldn’t still be seeing multiple widebodies land everyday at LHR full of deadly delta variant spewing vectors. |
There's quite a bit of virtue signalling supporting the lockdown extension.
Perhaps spare a thought for the struggling small business owners who now face bankruptcy and their life's work ruined. |
Originally Posted by cauchy
(Post 33327577)
There's quite a bit of virtue signalling supporting the lockdown extension.
Perhaps spare a thought for the struggling small business owners who now face bankruptcy and their life's work ruined. |
Originally Posted by cauchy
(Post 33327577)
There's quite a bit of virtue signalling supporting the lockdown extension.
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