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Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33269373)
Sounds like politics to me. It’s hilarious how Spain says come UK with Zero restrictions while Germany is treating us like we are criminals. It’s literally two complete opposites by 2 major EU countries.
The UK->Germany air traffic is down to a bare minimum for limited VFR and some essential business, and will not pick up significantly any time soon. UK->Spain traffic however is a very different story... |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33269116)
Just to underline the significance of this: the death rate is now the lowest since 15 March 2020, right at the start of the pandemic… this is the difference the vaccines are making - turning COVID-19 into a non-lethal disease.
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Originally Posted by bluemoon68
(Post 33268676)
Islington business centre is Moderna.
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32 and 33 year olds can now book jabs.
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A colleague walked into the Hammersmith vax centre @ the Novotel (early 30's) and was processed as a walk-in no problems a few days ago. Not sure if that's common or not.
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As a Brit who is currently living in Germany, and who has been subject to some of the restrictions myself, I find the tone of public discussion around the latest changes incredibly misleading and frankly depressing. I'm saddened to see this extends even here.
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33269373)
Sounds like politics to me… Germany is treating us like we are criminals.
Travellers from the UK are categorically not being treated 'like criminals'. These measures are not targeted solely at Brits, they apply to anyone from any area of variant concern. As the English information sheet from the Robert Koch institute shows, this includes other countries including India, South Africa, and Brazil. Anyone (of any nationality) who has been in any area of variant of concern can still travel here if they have residency (as can German citizens) - they just have to jump through more hoops, which include a 14 day quarantine with no early release.
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33269373)
It’s literally two complete opposites by 2 major EU countries.
Originally Posted by Dan1113
(Post 33269339)
Whereas Germany now lists the UK as a variant county almost effectively banning travel between the two countries.
Originally Posted by EDDLEGLL
(Post 33269450)
Yeah, this is slightly unfortunate, and a desperate attempt to try and keep the Indian variant out (of Schengen for a bit longer).
But the tenor of the British public rhetoric around this decision is frankly deranged. I am personally inconvenienced by this latest change. I don't like it, and it will make it harder to see friends and family who I miss very much and haven't seen for a long time. But it is simply applying Germany's existing rules, not some deep conspiracy or treating Brits as 'criminals'. |
Originally Posted by squawk
(Post 33270307)
As a Brit who is currently living in Germany, and who has been subject to some of the restrictions myself, I find the tone of public discussion around the latest changes incredibly misleading and frankly depressing. I'm saddened to see this extends even here.
This kind of hyperbole is not only factually inaccurate but also utterly unhelpful in spreading misinformation. You only have to look on social media to see old tropes - 'two world wars and one World Cup' - being repeated with alongside comments about Brexit sour grapes and 'revenge'. Sadly, this kind of thing says more about the insecurity of some Brits than it does about our relationship with Germany. Travellers from the UK are categorically not being treated 'like criminals'. These measures are not targeted solely at Brits, they apply to anyone from any area of variant concern. As the English information sheet from the Robert Koch institute shows, this includes other countries including India, South Africa, and Brazil. Anyone (of any nationality) who has been in any area of variant of concern can still travel here if they have residency (as can German citizens) - they just have to jump through more hoops, which include a 14 day quarantine with no early release. Yes, it's almost as if individual EU member states have the right to control immigration into their countries. It is worth pointing out that this is not the first time the UK has been an Area of Variant Concern in Germany - it was between January and April as well, due to the 'Kent' variant. As this variant became dominant in Germany, and cases fell in the UK, it was downgraded two levels to simply a risk area, before being removed even from that. (The German system has 3 levels: in ascending order they are 'risk area', 'high incidence area', and 'area of variant concern'). A week or so ago, Germany put the UK back on the risk area list due to the 'Indian' variant - if anything, I was surprise it didn't jump to the highest level immediately. Precisely this. I think ultimately this is unlikely to be massively successful, but it buys a bit more time for Germany to continue vaccinations and (assuming it B.1.617.2 is more transmissible) hopefully avoid another wave. You can legitimately argue that German's decision to put the UK onto the VOC list is an overreaction (if it's already here), or say that the UK has such a low rate that this is a pointless decision. But the tenor of the British public rhetoric around this decision is frankly deranged. I am personally inconvenienced by this latest change. I don't like it, and it will make it harder to see friends and family who I miss very much and haven't seen for a long time. But it is simply applying Germany's existing rules, not some deep conspiracy or treating Brits as 'criminals'. |
Daily data:
Cases 2,694 (2,027 last Saturday) Deaths 6 (7) Patients admitted 122 (103 on the 11th) Patients in hospital 908 (999 on the 13th) Patients on ventilator 123 (129 on the 13th) People vaccinated up to and including 21 May 2021: First dose: 37,726,924 Second dose: 22,071,497 The rolling seven day daily average for cases is now up 10.5% on the previous week and the same measure for deaths is down 43.1%. The rolling 7 day daily average for deaths is now down to 5.9. It was widely reported earlier that the total number of jabs has gone over the 50 million mark in England and by now should have gone over 60 million for the UK. The number of jabs being given is increasing and is only eclipsed by the last two weeks of March now. |
Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 33270358)
I think the bad feeling is aroused by the broad brush of the ban. Those who are fully vaccinated offer a trivial risk yet face the same rules as the unvaccinated.
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As mentioned upthread, the official age for vaccine eligibility is currently 32 years old and above, and my guess is from about Wednesday that will dip to 30 years plus. I think the "older" 20s will start in a week to 10 days. In those areas such as Bolton and Blackburn everyone is being deemed a priority so anyone over 18 years old can get a vaccine, and probably over 16 years too if you have your parents with you.
Clearly the supply of AZ is now fine for all current needs, Pfizer and Moderna supplies are easing up but it is not completely available. Many places are now allowing walk-ins which was discouraged as a process until quite recently. Here is the list of walk-in clinics Hertfordshire and West Essex (St Albans over to Harlow area). https://covid.healthierfuture.org.uk...n-clinic-times This is one of many, but the above site is a bit more transparent about which vaccines are available. AZ can be given to younger patients over 18 years on an informed consent basis, though the advice is to give preference to Pfizer and Moderna. It is worth checking your local health providers' websites. Unfortunately England has a messy set up, the website above is from an Integration Care System (ICS), other places you need to check your Clinical Commissioing Group, other places your Primary Care Network.. Mostly it's ok to go to be vaccinated anywhere you like, it is helpful to have your 10 digit NHS Number. |
Originally Posted by USA_flyer
(Post 33270358)
I think the bad feeling is aroused by the broad brush of the ban. Those who are fully vaccinated offer a trivial risk yet face the same rules as the unvaccinated.
Moreover, if the situation were reversed, I am fairly sure that many of those criticising this decision by the German government would be demanding that the UK impose equivalent restrictions. In fact: let's just take a look at the UK's current restrictions and answer a simple question. How different, exactly, are the rules between Germany and the UK? From https://www.gov.uk/uk-border-control Red list - you must quarantine in a hotel and take 2 COVID-19 tests You cannot currently enter the UK if you’ve been in or through a country on the red list unless you’re British, Irish or you have the right to live in the UK. 1) You have to be British, Irish, or have the right to live in the UK; and 2) if you're travelling from the highest risk area you have to quarantine for 14 days in a hotel and take two mandatory tests. Does a fully vaccinated person travelling from India get to skip quarantine in the UK? Nope. * See below for 'most dangerous' and why.
Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33270635)
what’s funny is right now the UK is less ‘dangerous’ than Germany is in Covid terms !
1. Not for the first time in this pandemic, you are looking at "now" rather than "near future". Right now, the UK is safer, yes - but public health planners in a highly transmissible disease pandemic need to look at the future. What will the situation be in 3 weeks? 6 weeks? Oh, and the data you're looking may well be a week out of date (by the time someone is infected, develops symptoms, and goes for a test). 2. Germany is behind the UK in vaccination terms (let's leave the arguments about why for another day) and still has a relatively high daily infection rate - and Germany is in the process of unlocking. So their 'looking to the future' needs to consider all of these things and how they are likely to increase cases. Allowing in a more infectious variant at this juncture poses an additional risk, in the way that it doesn't pose the same risk for the UK (with a higher vaccination rate and far lower cases) at this moment in time So often during this pandemic people have gone "oh things are fine now" without thinking about next week or month, and then been bitten by exponential growth with a 3 week lag. This decision by the Germany government is simply applying their existing public health rules consistently. It is not victimising Brits. |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33270643)
As mentioned upthread, the official age for vaccine eligibility is currently 32 years old and above, and my guess is from about Wednesday that will dip to 30 years plus. I think the "older" 20s will start in a week to 10 days. In those areas such as Bolton and Blackburn everyone is being deemed a priority so anyone over 18 years old can get a vaccine, and probably over 16 years too if you have your parents with you.
Clearly the supply of AZ is now fine for all current needs, Pfizer and Moderna supplies are easing up but it is not completely available. Many places are now allowing walk-ins which was discouraged as a process until quite recently. Here is the list of walk-in clinics Hertfordshire and West Essex (St Albans over to Harlow area). https://covid.healthierfuture.org.uk...n-clinic-times This is one of many, but the above site is a bit more transparent about which vaccines are available. AZ can be given to younger patients over 18 years on an informed consent basis, though the advice is to give preference to Pfizer and Moderna. It is worth checking your local health providers' websites. Unfortunately England has a messy set up, the website above is from an Integration Care System (ICS), other places you need to check your Clinical Commissioing Group, other places your Primary Care Network.. Mostly it's ok to go to be vaccinated anywhere you like, it is helpful to have your 10 digit NHS Number. |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33270643)
As mentioned upthread, the official age for vaccine eligibility is currently 32 years old and above, and my guess is from about Wednesday that will dip to 30 years plus. I think the "older" 20s will start in a week to 10 days. In those areas such as Bolton and Blackburn everyone is being deemed a priority so anyone over 18 years old can get a vaccine, and probably over 16 years too if you have your parents with you.
Clearly the supply of AZ is now fine for all current needs, Pfizer and Moderna supplies are easing up but it is not completely available. Many places are now allowing walk-ins which was discouraged as a process until quite recently. Here is the list of walk-in clinics Hertfordshire and West Essex (St Albans over to Harlow area). https://covid.healthierfuture.org.uk...n-clinic-times This is one of many, but the above site is a bit more transparent about which vaccines are available. AZ can be given to younger patients over 18 years on an informed consent basis, though the advice is to give preference to Pfizer and Moderna. It is worth checking your local health providers' websites. Unfortunately England has a messy set up, the website above is from an Integration Care System (ICS), other places you need to check your Clinical Commissioing Group, other places your Primary Care Network.. Mostly it's ok to go to be vaccinated anywhere you like, it is helpful to have your 10 digit NHS Number. |
Interestingly a daughter's friend who is 19 and is studying at the University of Swansea, has been called up.
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Originally Posted by ahmetdouas
(Post 33270755)
oh nice they are finally saying which vaccine they are using. Only issue with the site you gave is it’s all AZ!
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