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Originally Posted by SNA_Flyer
(Post 33222100)
That depends on the state. Texas and Florida have largely been open since last summer. Here in California we have slowly been opening, and that is only because of an action to recall our governor. Otherwise we would still be on hard lockdown.
Vaccines have probably played a role in getting our numbers down, which is great. Looks like it’s working well for the UK too. If only Europe, Australia, and Japan could figure it out... |
Originally Posted by HB7
(Post 33221655)
corporate-wage-slave - now that the CDC in the US has said that Americans fully vaccinated can travel freely, many are expecting that soon they will allow Brits to travel relatively easily come July/August - however, I don't know if anyone has raised the fact that the US has not approved the AZ vaccine. Does this mean the US doesn't recognise those vaccinated using AZ as actually vaccinated with an approved vaccine?
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A cross-party group of MPs has said that holidays abroad should be discouraged even once legal, to prevent a third wave of coronavirus and further lockdowns.
The group’s vice-chair said: “Our cross-party inquiry has heard how the UK’s border management is acting more like a sieve than a shield in the fight against coronavirus. Ministers must act on these recommendations and learn from the mistakes made last year, when the premature reopening of international travel contributed to a second wave. With the threat of importing dangerous new Covid variants, we must not throw away recent hard-won progress made through the sacrifices and efforts of the public.” Holidays abroad should be discouraged to stop Covid third wave, say MPs | Health policy | The Guardian |
Well it could be worse, Australia has an ambassador saying that they may stay closed until the entire world is vaccinated.
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Originally Posted by chimichanga
(Post 33221064)
It's already happening. Germany has administered over 1.1m doses last Wednesday, and many other countries in the EU are picking up pace too.
The jingoistic willy waving by sections of the British press and society has been pathetic , and shows a very small town mindset. |
Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33222162)
The USA may yet approve AZ, even if it's not used much / at all in the USA. AZ is WHO endorsed and in the past this was a key criteria in international acceptance. It's not an unusual position, there are about 17 categories of vaccines in main distribution in the UK, covering everything from Hepatitis A to viper (adder) anti-venom. There would be a dozen others not widely distributed (e.g. for smallpox, which has been eradicated). For each of those categories there are up to 6 different products for adults and perhaps 2 for children (this example is Hep B), licensed for use in the UK. The USA has a seperate list of different vaccines for the same illness, but both countries recognise each others products. So I don't think this is going to be a problem, besides Canada is using AZ.
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Originally Posted by Swanhunter
(Post 33222253)
That’s good news for the U.K. too as if our nearest and most important neighbours are protected it reduces the likelihood of imported infections and variants massively.
We are incredibly fortunate to live in the modern world where - in about 10 months - we’ve gone from knowing almost nothing at all about this disease to having several incredibly effective vaccines using different technological approaches. 6 months later, a majority of British people have been vaccinated. There is still a long way to go around the world, as the truly awful situation in India currently highlights (and there are all sorts of outstanding very hard questions to be answered about national and global inequity) but the very fact that this progress is even possible is a sign of hope. Barely 100 years ago - for many families only 3 generations! - many children died in infancy from diseases like whooping cough, mumps, measles, and diphtheria. Even in the late 1980s, polio affected 350,000 people a year despite an oral vaccine having been developed nearly 30 years earlier. |
Originally Posted by Swanhunter
(Post 33222253)
By summer the EU will be in a very strong place on vaccination. Their supply position continues to improve (unlike the U.K. which is good, but in steady state). That’s good news for the U.K. too as if our nearest and most important neighbours are protected it reduces the likelihood of imported infections and variants massively.
Originally Posted by squawk
(Post 33222322)
We are incredibly fortunate to live in the modern world where - in about 10 months - we’ve gone from knowing almost nothing at all about this disease to having several incredibly effective vaccines using different technological approaches. 6 months later, a majority of British people have been vaccinated.
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The EU's proposal for unlocking travel has been reported today - although not specifically about the UK, it clearly applies to UK travellers so I though it was worth flagging here.
From Bloomberg: WHO WILL BE ALLOWED QUARANTINE-FREE TRAVEL IN EUROPE:
The European Union aims to take a significant step toward a return to normalcy with plans to reopen its borders after months of pandemic-induced restrictions. Just in time for the sumer travel season, Spanish, Italian and Greek beaches along with cities like Paris, Rome and Berlin would be able to welcome travelers who have been fully inoculated against Covid-19, under a proposal by the European Commission. It’s “time to revive the EU tourism industry and for cross-border friendships to rekindle -- safely,” Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said on Twitter. While still battling a third wave, Europe is showing signs of gaining control of the disease, which has infected more than 30 million in the region. Lockdowns in several countries are being loosened as contagion rates ebb and inoculations ramp up. The EU’s executive arm recommended welcoming visitors from countries with relatively low infection rates as well as those who are fully vaccinated, according to a statement Monday. The proposals require approval from a weighted majority of the bloc’s 27 member states and could be adopted as soon as the end of May, according to a commission official. The new parameters would replace a blanket ban for non-essential travel to the EU for residents of all but a handful of countries. The rules have been in place for more than a year and represented a bitter blow for a region that prides itself on open borders. Under the proposal, member states would be obliged to accept proof for all shots approved in the EU -- including those produced by Pfizer Inc.-BioNTech SE, AstraZeneca Plc, Moderna Inc. and Johnson & Johnson. National governments will have the discretion to accept shots that have cleared the World Health Organization emergency use listing process, but they can’t recognize other vaccines on their own. This means people inoculated with Russia’s Sputnik or the Sinopharm and Sinovac shots from China will not be allowed to travel freely to the EU solely based of their immunization status. The new rules include a so-called emergency brake, which would allow member states to restore travel bans on countries where risky new variants emerge or contagion rates spike. In such an event, only essential workers, such as diplomats and health-care staff, would be allowed entry from those countries, and even then, they would be subject to strict testing and quarantine requirements. Faced with a sector crippled by the pandemic, tourism ministers from Group of 20 nations are expected to approve guidelines on issues including safe mobility when they hold a virtual summit on Tuesday. The G-20 -- the forum that brings together the world’s major economies -- is expected to support measures for so-called vaccine passports, including the EU’s Green Digital Certificate. The next step in the EU’s approval process will happen on Wednesday when member-state representatives convene in Brussels to discuss the proposal. A commission official told reporters in Brussels that Israel will definitely be on the list of countries whose vaccinated residents are allowed to travel to the EU. Reciprocity will also be considered as a factor for easing leisure travel, the official added when asked about U.K. residents. The commission will draw up a list of approved vaccination certificates issued by non-EU countries. Discussions with Washington will hopefully lead to the introduction of a uniform certificate that meets the EU’s security and accuracy standards, the commission official said. |
Originally Posted by squawk
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Originally Posted by LGWClosedAgain
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The UK meets that threshold right now if I'm not mistaken.
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 33222762)
Yes, it's about 45 on ECDC numbers or 48 on the PHE version.
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Originally Posted by LGWClosedAgain
(Post 33222810)
Those numbers are a bit higher than the tracker on the UK government site, they show an average of 23.2 per 100k but that is over 7 days rather than 14. Even so, the UK numbers should be enough to be whitelisted.
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while the articles continue to report on the 23.2 in their articles...they only throw that number out based on the current levels to be included on the list of countries allowed in--which is effectively meaningless if they are going to scrap these levels for a new set of parameters to allow vaccinated people in starting in june--or some combination thereof.
it still may be irrelevant because the articles also make clear that the EU is looking for some form of reciprocity of movement from the UK as well...so if the UK puts most of the EU on amber...will the EU play tit for tat regardless of the low levels currently in the UK? |
Originally Posted by VSLover
(Post 33222955)
while the articles continue to report on the 23.2 in their articles...they only throw that number out based on the current levels to be included on the list of countries allowed in--which is effectively meaningless if they are going to scrap these levels for a new set of parameters to allow vaccinated people in starting in june--or some combination thereof.
it still may be irrelevant because the articles also make clear that the EU is looking for some form of reciprocity of movement from the UK as well...so if the UK puts most of the EU on amber...will the EU play tit for tat regardless of the low levels currently in the UK? |
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