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VickiSoCal Apr 29, 2021 8:37 pm


Originally Posted by SailorTomSparrow (Post 33215467)
I think it would be a huge incentive for younger people to get their vaccine.

The ones I know are not hesitant at all!

ayearinmx Apr 29, 2021 10:50 pm

does anyone know where I can add my email address/phone number into the NHS app? I can't see it displayed anywhere within the app right now....

unfortunately it seems my address is an old address where i no longer live, and i can't change GPs as i'm not in the country right now, so i'd at least like to give them other chances to get in contact with me

plunet Apr 29, 2021 11:53 pm


Originally Posted by ayearinmx (Post 33215777)
does anyone know where I can add my email address/phone number into the NHS app? I can't see it displayed anywhere within the app right now....

unfortunately it seems my address is an old address where i no longer live, and i can't change GPs as i'm not in the country right now, so i'd at least like to give them other chances to get in contact with me

I think you are best off contacting the GP and updating your info with them.

corporate-wage-slave Apr 30, 2021 12:19 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33215128)
I'm guessing that the reason the government is holding off on giving guidance with regards to fully vaccinated people is due to discrimination - i.e. only 25% of adults are fully vaccinated. I could be wrong, but maybe CWS may know more? The real world data on vaccines, at this stage seems to be far better than anyone hoped for - even for a single dose.

The evidence about how vaccines are so powerful has only become clear and hit pre-prints fairly recently. So the 50% cut in transmission was in pre-print only this week, even though I leaked the result here about a month ago. So part of it is that the key decision makers have only realised quite recently that we have now (hoptefully) reached the point that those vaccinated are able to go about their lives more freely now. In fact for all my delving into data I think it was only last week that I posted my feeling that vaccination is a full answer to the pandemic in its current form, subject to the significant rider that it is conditional on keeping some other measures in place, I'm not convinced you can vaccinate your way out of a surge, but you can vaccinate yourself to head off a future surge. So it's all very well being wise about it now, but actually it's only just dawning on UK decision makers how amazing these vaccines are, along with the implications of that, we are incredibly fortunate to have them.

The equity point you make is a very good one. In a way the sacrifices made by younger people, essentially to protect those over 50 years old, has been huge. Disrupted education, social and sexual development, employment hits, poverty, the death of spontaneity, the list goes on and on, so yes, it would be a bit tough to say officially that those with both vaccines (I'm in this category) can meet friends and reduce some precautions, but JV-T perhaps overdid his correct assessment of the situation. It's incredibly unlikely, as things stand, that two vaccinated people can meet and one would kill the other. If one drove to see the other, the driving is a lot more risky. In fact one vaccine is enough, on the data I'm seeing. But it would be outrageous to say only those over 50 can go to Glastonbury, for example.

I can see the vaccine supply isses are going away in the UK. By the end of May we should be vaccinating those in their 20s. I've just done 8 continuous days of vaccinating, some of them extended days, compared to 2 or 3 during the weak weeks. And the supply for May has been confirmed, with a huge amount forecast for the final week in May, we may hit our vaccination delivery capacity that particular week, for the first time.

We are getting there.

Dan1113 Apr 30, 2021 12:50 am

Are the other weeks in May looking pretty good too? That's great news!

HB7 Apr 30, 2021 1:02 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33215855)
The evidence about how vaccines are so powerful has only become clear and hit pre-prints fairly recently. So the 50% cut in transmission was in pre-print only this week, even though I leaked the result here about a month ago. So part of it is that the key decision makers have only realised quite recently that we have now (hoptefully) reached the point that those vaccinated are able to go about their lives more freely now. In fact for all my delving into data I think it was only last week that I posted my feeling that vaccination is a full answer to the pandemic in its current form, subject to the significant rider that it is conditional on keeping some other measures in place, I'm not convinced you can vaccinate your way out of a surge, but you can vaccinate yourself to head off a future surge. So it's all very well being wise about it now, but actually it's only just dawning on UK decision makers how amazing these vaccines are, along with the implications of that, we are incredibly fortunate to have them.

The equity point you make is a very good one. In a way the sacrifices made by younger people, essentially to protect those over 50 years old, has been huge. Disrupted education, social and sexual development, employment hits, poverty, the death of spontaneity, the list goes on and on, so yes, it would be a bit tough to say officially that those with both vaccines (I'm in this category) can meet friends and reduce some precautions, but JV-T perhaps overdid his correct assessment of the situation. It's incredibly unlikely, as things stand, that two vaccinated people can meet and one would kill the other. If one drove to see the other, the driving is a lot more risky. In fact one vaccine is enough, on the data I'm seeing. But it would be outrageous to say only those over 50 can go to Glastonbury, for example.

I can see the vaccine supply isses are going away in the UK. By the end of May we should be vaccinating those in their 20s. I've just done 8 continuous days of vaccinating, some of them extended days, compared to 2 or 3 during the weak weeks. And the supply for May has been confirmed, with a huge amount forecast for the final week in May, we may hit our vaccination delivery capacity that particular week, for the first time.

We are getting there.

Great assessment, and great news. I just want to ask though, you say we should be vaccinating those in their 20s by end of May - when will we get to mid-30's? I've called my GP, tried online and went to Islington, all to no avail. I can't get my hands on a vaccine and I'm just wondering when I will be able to? I was really hoping late April, but as I'm keen to travel, I'm desperate to get my first and second shots so hopefully I don't need constant PCR tests.

wilsnunn Apr 30, 2021 1:06 am


Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave (Post 33215855)
I can see the vaccine supply isses are going away in the UK. By the end of May we should be vaccinating those in their 20s. I've just done 8 continuous days of vaccinating, some of them extended days, compared to 2 or 3 during the weak weeks. And the supply for May has been confirmed, with a huge amount forecast for the final week in May, we may hit our vaccination delivery capacity that particular week, for the first time.

We are getting there.

I honestly cannot wait to get my first dose so it really is fantastic news that I should be able to get done by the end of May. I am assuming that this means the Moderna vaccine is becoming widely available or that Pfizer availability has increased? Or is there another vaccine which those in their 20s will be receiving?

I have to say, reading this post was a fantastic way to start the day.

Akoz Apr 30, 2021 1:33 am

The English NHS national website has now changed and states that it is accepting bookings from anyone turning 40 before 1st July 2021.

Book a coronavirus vaccination - NHS (www.nhs.uk)

corporate-wage-slave Apr 30, 2021 2:08 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33215905)
Great assessment, and great news. I just want to ask though, you say we should be vaccinating those in their 20s by end of May - when will we get to mid-30's? I've called my GP, tried online and went to Islington, all to no avail. I can't get my hands on a vaccine and I'm just wondering when I will be able to? I was really hoping late April, but as I'm keen to travel, I'm desperate to get my first and second shots so hopefully I don't need constant PCR tests.

PCR tests are similar to Lateral Flow tests, so if you get yourself into the rhythm of doing LFD tests, you will find PCRs a doddle. The first few are awkward but it becomes the point that it's a bit like flossing your teeth, not exactly pleasant, and you wouldn't want to do it normally, but not worth worry about.

We are now, as of today, processing people 39 years old on the English system, so if you are 35, and depending where you live, I'd say perhaps you can book around 13 May, with a first vaccine slot date perhaps a few days after if you're OK to travel a bit.

Scots_Al Apr 30, 2021 2:16 am


Originally Posted by SailorTomSparrow (Post 33215467)
I think it would be a huge incentive for younger people to get their vaccine.

It’s opportunity they need before incentive! I (early 40s), have still not had my blue envelope, so the younger ones will be even longer...

ahmetdouas Apr 30, 2021 2:17 am


Originally Posted by HB7 (Post 33215905)
Great assessment, and great news. I just want to ask though, you say we should be vaccinating those in their 20s by end of May - when will we get to mid-30's? I've called my GP, tried online and went to Islington, all to no avail. I can't get my hands on a vaccine and I'm just wondering when I will be able to? I was really hoping late April, but as I'm keen to travel, I'm desperate to get my first and second shots so hopefully I don't need constant PCR tests.

dailymail says May 10

alex67500 Apr 30, 2021 2:51 am

Has a decision been reached regarding which vaccines to give to the 30-39 cohort? There were debates not long ago about avoiding the AZ, but nothing since. I guess it depends on supply of the 2 mRNA jabs, so goes back to the question of wilsnunn ...

Above Apr 30, 2021 2:58 am


Originally Posted by alex67500 (Post 33215996)
Has a decision been reached regarding which vaccines to give to the 30-39 cohort? There were debates not long ago about avoiding the AZ, but nothing since. I guess it depends on supply of the 2 mRNA jabs, so goes back to the question of wilsnunn ...

Nothing official so far. I think, I only saw this in Daily Mail

wilsnunn Apr 30, 2021 3:13 am


Originally Posted by wilsnunn (Post 33215907)
I am assuming that this means the Moderna vaccine is becoming widely available or that Pfizer availability has increased? Or is there another vaccine which those in their 20s will be receiving?


Originally Posted by alex67500 (Post 33215996)
Has a decision been reached regarding which vaccines to give to the 30-39 cohort? There were debates not long ago about avoiding the AZ, but nothing since. I guess it depends on supply of the 2 mRNA jabs, so goes back to the question of wilsnunn ...

Saw this online (here):


Originally Posted by iNews
The Government also appears to be building up a stockpile of Pfizer jabs which can be used to vaccinate the under-30s when their time comes, because of the regulator’s ruling that they should be offered an alternative to Oxford/AstraZeneca following reports of rare blood clots. Up to a million doses a week are entering the UK but close to zero are being given out as first doses.

So it seems that it is possibly a bit of both, Pfizer being stockpiled and Moderna becoming available.

corporate-wage-slave Apr 30, 2021 3:39 am


Originally Posted by alex67500 (Post 33215996)
Has a decision been reached regarding which vaccines to give to the 30-39 cohort? There were debates not long ago about avoiding the AZ, but nothing since. I guess it depends on supply of the 2 mRNA jabs, so goes back to the question of wilsnunn ...

We still vaccinate all age groups with AZ, and some of the reporting has been insufficiently nuanced. Anyone, any age, who had AZ for dose 1 will get AZ for dose 2, unless there is a very good reason to change. Anyone under 40, 30, 20, who ends up at a vaccination centre on a AZ day will be offered the chance to come back on a Pfizer day but will be offered AZ if they want it immediately, so long as they make an informed choice. Clearly the planning is for younger people (under 30) to get Pfizer but I think we are a bit more relaxed about it now. We do have a new shiny leaflet for AZ and it includes two panels, one in pink giving people clear directions as to what side effects need immediate action, and another panel for those under 30 listing the risks and benefits of getting AZ. Particularly for male patients, the risk was and remains low, the benefits are big. To quote from the current Protocol: "JCVI currently advises that it is preferable for adults aged under 30 years without underlying health conditions that put them at higher risk of severe COVID-19 disease, to be offered an alternative COVID-19 vaccine, if available. People may make an informed choice to receive the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca to receive earlier protection" For those 30 plus then they can and are getting AZ anyway.

I still have not administered a single Moderna, though I have been through the training for it. I wonder if that is what is coming for us (a GP led set-up) in the last week of May but that's speculation.


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