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Originally Posted by CKDGM
(Post 26113558)
It's not new. The WHTI Final Rule for air travel was published in November, 2006 and says in ...
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Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 26113468)
we've been told that having our passport on our person is a requirement of the program.
:) http://www.cbp.gov/travel/us-citizen...ocs-air-travel http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/travel-vo...-eng.html#_s1a It's not just CBSA and CBP you need to worry about though. Airlines may have different ideas about whether you need a passport or not. |
Technically you don't need a passport (only NEXUS card required) between US/Canada but in practice you'll better off having the passport with you due to misinformed airline agents requiring it so that they avoid being reprimand/terminated for not enforcing airline policy.
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Don't want to go around in this discussion again. I think we've generally concluded that it's safer to have the passport in the event that someone demands it, notwithstanding the language although some take the view that it is not obligatory.
I do clearly recall being told to have the passport with me in the discussion during the interview, and in being given the Guide, which says Please be aware that the following program violations will result in the loss of your NEXUS membership: ... ■ Failure to carry or produce any additional identification documents that may be required for entry into Canada or the U.S., i.e. passport, work or study permit, permanent residency card, etc.; I will agree with you that there is a case to be made that the passport is not "any ... documents ... required" given the language that NEXUS card can be used for entry at both Canada and the US. However, this booklet is given ONLY to NEXUS recipients, and therefore assumes they will have NEXUS, and yet does not omit passport from the list of "any additional identification documents that may be required for entry into Canada or the U.S." Therefore I am going to read it on the side of conflict avoidance, and interpret as a passport might in some cases be "required" to avoid being deemed in violation and losing my NEXUS. I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. I'm quite possibly being a fraidy cat. However, as I've posted before, I don't find it burdensome to carry the passport therefore there's no downside for me to interpreting it as I have. |
Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 26126543)
Therefore I am going to read it on the side of conflict avoidance, and interpret as a passport might in some cases be "required" to avoid being deemed in violation and losing my NEXUS.
I am not imposing my interpretation on anyone. I'm quite possibly being a fraidy cat. However, as I've posted before, I don't find it burdensome to carry the passport therefore there's no downside for me to interpreting it as I have. Sometimes you do need to fight, and I did contact that POE and was told that if it happens again to ask to speak with a supervisor inside as the NEXUS card alone was sufficient to prove citizenship. |
Last time I asked to speak to a supervisor at a POE, they "deported" me: denied me access to anyone other than the officer, refused me entry, and gave me a card that forced me to explain to my own country's border officer why I had been refused admission to the USA. So, people can do what they want, but I'm carrying the passport as long as there are eagle badges on people with attitude problems.
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Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 26126543)
However, this booklet is given ONLY to NEXUS recipients, and therefore assumes they will have NEXUS, and yet does not omit passport from the list of "any additional identification documents that may be required for entry into Canada or the U.S."
The NEXUS card is a valid travel document for US citizens or Canadian citizens, not LPRs. Third-country LPRs (living in either US or CA) will need additional documents (most likely a passport, though US LPRs entering the US must use their I-551). Note also that the DHS's own comparison chart of TT programs says that a passport is not required to apply for NEXUS.... |
Makes sense!
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True, a passport is not required to apply for Nexus. A great many in the program, Canadian & American don't have or need one. But as this is Flyertalk, a Nexus without an iris scan is merely a land crossing card. They make it clear at the interview for the need to have on your possession a passport, if you intend to enter the US or Canada from an airport.
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Originally Posted by surreycrv
(Post 26130673)
But as this is Flyertalk, a Nexus without an iris scan is merely a land crossing card.
Originally Posted by surreycrv
(Post 26130673)
They make it clear at the interview for the need to have on your possession a passport, if you intend to enter the US or Canada from an airport.
This is stated by each of the following (emphasis added by me in each case): CBSA NEXUS FAQ: "If you are a Canadian or U.S. citizen, and a NEXUS member, you may use your membership card as proof of identification and citizenship when entering Canada by land, air (when coming from the U.S.) or boat when using non-NEXUS lanes." NEXUS member letter, Apr 2014: "Members entering into the United States, from Canada, can use either their NEXUS card or their registered passport at any of the eight international airports that offer US preclearance." CBP NEXUS card information page and NEXUS card at Global Entry Kiosk FAQ: "When using the Global Entry kiosks in Canada Preclearance locations you can use your passport, U.S. Lawful Permanent Resident card or NEXUS card. You cannot use your NEXUS card at Global Entry kiosks outside of Canadian Preclearance locations. At all other ports, you will need to use your passport or U.S. Lawful Permanent Resident card." DHS/Department of State Final Rule "Documents Required for Travelers Departing From or Arriving in the United States at Air Ports-of-Entry From Within the Western Hemisphere" (2006): 8 CFR 235.1(e): "United States citizens, Canadian citizens, and permanent residents of Canada who are traveling as participants in the NEXUS Air program, may present, in lieu of a passport, a valid NEXUS Air membership card when using a NEXUS Air kiosk prior to entering the United States." (NEXUS Air is no longer a separate program, and NEXUS kiosks for US-bound travelers have been replaced by Global Entry kiosks as noted above) 22 CFR 41.2(a): "A passport is not required for Canadian citizens entering the United States from within the Western Hemisphere by land or sea, or by air as participants in the NEXUS Air program pursuant to 8 CFR 235.1(e)." 22 CFR 53.2(e): "United States citizens who are traveling as participants in the NEXUS Air program, may present, in lieu of a passport, a valid NEXUS Air membership card when using a NEXUS Air kiosk prior to entering the United States." CFR 2015: 22 CFR 41.2(a)(1): "A Canadian citizen who is traveling as a participant in the NEXUS program, and who is not otherwise required to present a passport and visa as provided in paragraphs (k) and (m) of this section and 8 CFR 212.1, may present a valid NEXUS program card when using a NEXUS Air kiosk" 22 CFR 53.2(b) "A U.S. citizen is not required to bear a valid U.S. passport to enter or depart the United States" (4): "When traveling as a participant in the NEXUS program, he or she may present a valid NEXUS program card when using a NEXUS Air kiosk" I have seen no evidence of a change in 22 CFR since the 2015 publication. The Canadian equivalent legal citation appears to be Presentation of Persons (2003) Regulations: 6.1 "The Minister may issue an authorization that is recognized in both Canada and the United States to a person, other than a commercial driver, to present themself in the alternative manners described in paragraph 11(a), subparagraph 11(d)(ii) and paragraph 11(e)" combined with "11 Persons may present themselves in one of the following alternative manners if they have been authorized to do so: (a) on arrival in Canada aboard a commercial aircraft at a commercial airport that is a designated customs office, by means of an electronic device" |
I wonder if there is any instruction video or manual showing how to use the nexus card in the GE kiosks at US pre clearance facilities at canadian airports?
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There is a video right on the kiosk that shows a passport. It is not too much of a stretch to have to match the orientation of that band of hieroglyphic letters on the passport to the same band on the NEXUS card and stick the card in on the glass scanner bed in the same orientation.
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Question on the retina scan,
My significant other is interviewing soon for her NEXUS card, likely either in Warroad or Pembina on our way to Winnipeg (more appointments are available.) If she's approved in Warroad or Pembina, can we go the same day to the Winnipeg Airport and get the retina scan done? |
Nitpick: It's not a retina scan, just an iris scan.
I believe people have posted about same-day scans following the interview, when the interview location doesn't do them. |
I am new to here, not sure how to post a new thread.
My question is: what would happen if a person has been interviewed for weeks but the website still has no updates - same as before interview. My husband and I went for an Nexus interview in YVR on Jan 20. I've received my card but he has not got any updates yet. The Goes website site shows exactly the same as what it was before the interview. I wonder if he is under further check but it does not sound reasonable as the background check should have been done before interview, correct? I phoned them twice but could only leave a message. No feedback at all till today. Any idea of what's happening here? What should we do? Thanks! |
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