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flyquiet Aug 10, 2013 9:25 pm

I think you're correct that a Canadian can always repatriate, however that doesn't mean they can flash a BC/DL and waltz across the threshold. Those attempting to do it with a BC/DL since 2009, I suspect may be invited to establish their citizenship to the satisfaction of the officer.

Probably of more practical importance is there's also the airline to deal with first: "International transportation companies such as airlines may require travellers to present a passport. Therefore, Canadian citizens may face delays or may not be allowed to board the plane or other conveyance if they present other documents such as those noted below.[list of documents including EDL or BC plus regular DL]"
< http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/security-...dmiss-eng.html >

Also
"Make sure you carry proper identification for yourself and any children travelling with you to assist in confirming your legal right or authorization to enter Canada upon your return. Proper identification includes a Canadian passport, a Canadian birth certificate, a Canadian citizenship certificate, a Certificate of Indian Status or a Canadian Permanent Resident Card.
For all modes of entry, we recommend you carry a valid Canadian passport for all visits abroad, including visits to the United States. A passport may be required by your airline or alternative transportation authority, as it is the only universally-accepted identification document, and it proves that you have a right to return to Canada." Interestingly, it goes on to say "Citizens and permanent residents of Canada, who are members of the NEXUS or FAST programs, may present their membership cards to the CBSA as proof of identity and as documents that denote citizenship, when arriving by land or marine modes only." [emphasis added]
< http://www.cbsa.gc.ca/travel-voyage/...rpcrc-eng.html >

Also, apparently, a passport is considered a "secondary proof of citizenship" from the citizenship perspective, while a BC is proof of citizenship (except in certain cases, e.g., non-Canadian diplomatic parents for person born in Canada after 1977)
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/citizenship/proof.asp

I guess the passport is "secondary" because you had to show the BC to get it. However, your BC on its own is not sufficient for the border because you can't prove it's yours without a matching government issued photo ID, hence the DL.

Rooting through that stuff, I also read to my surprise on the CBSA web page that "If you are a citizen of the United States, you do not need a passport to enter Canada. However, you should carry proof of your citizenship, such as a birth certificate, certificate of citizenship or naturalization, as well as photo identification." (I guess the Americans will have the passport if they want to go home, though.)

flyquiet Aug 10, 2013 9:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimgotkp (Post 21250749)
Can someone confirm that these are the only documents that I need to bring to my interview:

1. Passport
2. Driver's License
3. NEXUS Conditionally Approved Letter
4. Bank statement with current address (just in case)

I only mentioned my passport and DL in the application. I've been reading about people having to bring their birth certificates, so I'm a bit confused.

Bring every document you referred to in your application. If you have passports from more than one country, bring every single one of them.

How big is your birth certificate that you can't fit it into the envelope to take with you?? I honestly don't understand not taking things in case. I didn't just take one bank statement. I took a utility bill and something else of that ilk as well. Overkill, sure, but it weighed like a gram, and gave me peace of mind that my bases were covered.

sudosandwich Aug 10, 2013 9:27 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by xero9 (Post 21223457)
FWIW, at the end of my interview the US guy said I could start using GE that day and that I could use NEXUS after the card arrived.

And actually, speaking of cards.. I'm curious if everyone's photo looks are low quality as mine. I'm guessing it's not just limited to YYZ, but I find it kind of odd that they take all these precautions when accepting people into the program, yet the photo for your card is taken with probably a $15 webcam. You'd think with all the bio-metric data they collect they'd have some kind of decent camera to put a better picture of the cardholder.

Yeah mine was taken with a Logitech webcam. The background wasn't even white like those in your passports, dl's etc...I have like waiting chairs in my photo. lol.

flyquiet Aug 10, 2013 10:25 pm

I had a business ID card taken today and the webcam (golfball type) was crooked so the photo looks like it's from a villain segment from the old Batman TV show.

emcampbe Aug 10, 2013 10:47 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shareholder (Post 21247863)
Curious that a Canadian citizen re-entering Canada by air requires a Canadian passport? A drivers license (enhanced or otherwise) or birth certificate (or naturalization card) are not enough?

Ah, the traveling with Nexus by air without a passport debate again.

Technically, the above I believe is correct, though you'd have to prove your citizenship to the officer so they were happy. As far as an EDL is concerned, only works for the land border, not for travel by air.

But if you have Nexus, you can throw the technical can I be let in without a passport question completely out the window unless you want to risk having it taken away. Nexus guide specifically states you must, when traveling by air, carry a passport. Also, the rule on the Nexus card being a WHTI-compliant document specifically is tied to crossing the border by land or sea only.

Could you potentially get away with flying transborder using Nexus without a passport? Sure - could certainly happen. Would I ever, in a million years risk this? Absolutely not.

cashinstinct Aug 11, 2013 7:41 am

I wonder how often a year one must travel to make NEXUS worth it...

I don't travel that often, but the delays at crossing by land during the weekends make it worthwhile to consider.

flyquiet Aug 11, 2013 9:23 am

Worth it? It costs $50 and lasts five years. How little would you have to travel to make it not worth it?

jrmob Aug 11, 2013 10:49 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyquiet (Post 21250122)
It would be "off-book" if the agent saw you both, although I am sure that it has happened a non-zero number of times. I am also sure they won't commit ahead of time, by any medium, to do it, and I am sure I've read upthread of people having the same hopes dashed.

Your choices (1) are to wait for two same-day openings and be 99% sure you will both be seen at the time of the first appointment, regardless of whether one appointment is at 9 am and the other at 7 pm, or (2) take your chances that you both go on the earlier date with just one slot, and one of you does not get the interview that day, and has to make a second trip on a later date. End of the day, the gamble is not a bad deal. You wait just as long for the second card as you would by leaving both appointments on the same day, but one of you gets their card sooner and could use it on your own travel in the mean time, the second person knows the drill ahead of their turn, and you're only out the cost of the second round trip, which obviously varies with where you live and where the interview is. Mine was at YYZ so the parking cost me $22 (half what the card did!) whereas my daughter's was in Ft Erie, so we had to drive half a day there and back but parking was free. If neither of you plans to travel alone, then the benefit of getting one card sooner is nil, but maybe you would be the rare beneficiary of someone having a good day.

Bottom line: no sure thing, never promised, may have happened: your gamble.

thanks for info. worst case we'll wait till September and go make a day of cross boarder shopping. in the mean time I'll keep a eye out on YYZ for openings.

simba8 Aug 11, 2013 10:56 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimgotkp (Post 21250749)
Can someone confirm that these are the only documents that I need to bring to my interview:

1. Passport
2. Driver's License
3. NEXUS Conditionally Approved Letter
4. Bank statement with current address (just in case)

I only mentioned my passport and DL in the application. I've been reading about people having to bring their birth certificates, so I'm a bit confused.

The only reason I brought my birth certificate was because I read on this thread, others suggesting I do so. So I did, and in the end they did ask me for it. Maybe it depends on the agent and or location. I had mine at yyz.

canadiancow Aug 11, 2013 12:51 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyquiet (Post 21252678)
Worth it? It costs $50 and lasts five years. How little would you have to travel to make it not worth it?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

But let's go with "once". Christmas. You skip the lines at customs and security. You've just saved yourself 90-120 minutes.
90 minutes, once a year, for five years, is 450 minutes, or 7.5 hours. That values your time at less than minimum wage.

So if you value your time at all, it's worth it :p

Jimgotkp Aug 11, 2013 1:28 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by simba8 (Post 21253098)
The only reason I brought my birth certificate was because I read on this thread, others suggesting I do so. So I did, and in the end they did ask me for it. Maybe it depends on the agent and or location. I had mine at yyz.

Good to know. I will bring mine just in case as well.

gglave Aug 11, 2013 5:16 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyquiet (Post 21252678)
Worth it? It costs $50 and lasts five years. How little would you have to travel to make it not worth it?

I have Nexus, but the 'price' is a lot more than $50.

You're giving The Man your fingerprints and a photo associated with those prints. If you're a Canadian, you're having a background check run on you, and that info is going to the Americans.

If you value your privacy, the 'price' is a lot more than $50 - I weighed it and decided it was still worth it, but I know some who have not.

flyquiet Aug 11, 2013 5:38 pm

That was the reason I deferred it as long as I did, but then I figured I've had background checks, fingerprints, and even a log of my scars (!) registered for a co-op job with the military back in the day, and subsequently, a former Mr. FQ doing defense contracts out of the home office. I figured HMS Privacy has sailed for me. However anything they want about most people they already have now.
(But it did cost me $72. $50 for the card and $22 for the parking at YYZ!)

gargoyle999 Aug 11, 2013 7:35 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashinstinct (Post 21252259)
I wonder how often a year one must travel to make NEXUS worth it...

I don't travel that often, but the delays at crossing by land during the weekends make it worthwhile to consider.

Wife and I don't travel much. Once a year to Canada, couple trips international each year for vacation, one or two US flights a year and a couple business trips a year for my wife. We drove 7 hours one way to have our Nexus interview at a land crossing.

With Nexus, GE and Pre-Check all included I get a big smile every time I get to use them. Worth it! :)

backguy Aug 11, 2013 7:49 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by gglave (Post 21254745)
I have Nexus, but the 'price' is a lot more than $50.

You're giving The Man your fingerprints and a photo associated with those prints. If you're a Canadian, you're having a background check run on you, and that info is going to the Americans.

If you value your privacy, the 'price' is a lot more than $50 - I weighed it and decided it was still worth it, but I know some who have not.

I held out on getting NEXUS for a few years because I didn't want the govt to have my prints or iris scan. However, when I was taking the train from Vancouver to Seattle, I showed up very early at the train station. The CBP agent was bored (I was the only person in line), and she took my fingerprints. At that point, I figured that since they now had my prints, I might as well get the benefits of NEXUS. I had the card in my hands within 6 weeks. :p

Since then, I've probably saved 15 hours crossing at land borders, 20 hours standing in queue at the airport, and countless uncomfortable conversations with CBP/CBSA officers.


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