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Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 20414762)
I agree with you that this is their implicit expectation but I have not seen them say "it must be a US passport". Their view likely is that there are no other passports so it need not be stated. I want them to state it explicitly before I will pay for two passports.
Mr Flyquiet was also born in the USA and he doesn't travel with his birth certificate. Quick search brought me to: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...y-into-the-u.s. |
Originally Posted by rehoult
(Post 20414970)
...They can't deny her if they agree she's American, so unless they are calling her birth certificate a forgery they have to let her in. Though they don't have to be happy about that fact.
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californiadreamin,
I would just like to point out that this isn't always the case. My sister in law came to visit us in Canada several times and despite everywhere saying you NEED a passport, a US citizen is not actually going to be denied entry into the United States if they're actually a citizen. Providing a driver's license and birth certificate satisfied this. Not only did they let her in, they didn't even hassle her. And just an FYI, Canada doesn't care if you have a passport or not. If you have an Canadian or American birth certificate you're fine. *This is for land travel, of course. |
Originally Posted by californiadreamin'
(Post 20425839)
The requirement is for U.S. citizens to enter the U.S. as U.S. citizens. Period. The implicit expectation is more than validated by searching through U.S. government sites.
Quick search brought me to: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/det...y-into-the-u.s. By land and sea, it does say "U.S. passport". I guess she should get a NEXUS, since that is acceptable in lieu of US Passport in both air and land subheadings. |
Originally Posted by TheDude79
(Post 20425411)
I'm flying YVR-YYZ-MCO with my wife and 3yr old next week and I've never transited to the US before via YYZ (usually enter the US via YVR). We all have NEXUS/GE. 3yr old obviously did not have iris/fingerprints taken so he won't be using the kiosk.
1. Are there kiosks in the transit area in YYZ terminal 1 for the adults? 2. If not, do we get to bypass the line with NEXUS/GE in the transit hall or is it better to exit and clear from outside? |
Originally Posted by californiadreamin'
(Post 20425850)
That is a Canadian concept, not an American concept.
They can hassle you for any reason they wish, but ultimately they have to let you in if you can prove you are a citizen. |
Originally Posted by Kiraly
(Post 20426970)
It's international law, actually. A country cannot deny entry to one of its own citizens. (UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 13.2, of which both Canada and the US are signatories).
They can hassle you for any reason they wish, but ultimately they have to let you in if you can prove you are a citizen. |
Originally Posted by Scott Montague
(Post 20426414)
The kisoks in the US connections hall are now Global Entry machines.
Would Canada do the same thing soon and both US and CAN merge the two systems into one system using GE kiosks? |
Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
(Post 20427306)
So the US has axed the nexus machines in all CAN preclearance airports ^
Would Canada do the same thing soon and both US and CAN merge the two systems into one system using GE kiosks? |
Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
(Post 20427306)
So the US has axed the nexus machines in all CAN preclearance airports ^
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Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 20425973)
To split hairs, for air, that does say a "valid" passport, not a U.S. passport.
By land and sea, it does say "U.S. passport". I guess she should get a NEXUS, since that is acceptable in lieu of US Passport in both air and land subheadings. |
Hi All,
I tried searching this thread but couldn't find a conclusive answer. I have Nexus/GE and almost always clear at YOW or YYZ. I'm connecting to the US tomorrow via YVR and I've seen mention of no Nexus and/or GE machines if you follow the Domestic -> USA connection signs. Is the best plan to exit out of security when I land in YVR and then go back through the US Departure area (with all non connecting USA departing passengers) so that I can leverage the kiosks? Thanks! |
Originally Posted by usual_suspect
(Post 20437380)
Hi All,
I tried searching this thread but couldn't find a conclusive answer. I have Nexus/GE and almost always clear at YOW or YYZ. I'm connecting to the US tomorrow via YVR and I've seen mention of no Nexus and/or GE machines if you follow the Domestic -> USA connection signs. Is the best plan to exit out of security when I land in YVR and then go back through the US Departure area (with all non connecting USA departing passengers) so that I can leverage the kiosks? Thanks! |
Originally Posted by B1
(Post 20437378)
The NEXUS card will not be acceptable to the US if the person is identified as a US citizen and the information in the NEXUS file does not contain the US Passport number. As noted earlier in the thread, a CBP agent did not see my Canadian passport number in my NEXUS file and demanded to see my passport. It was not a matter of my telling her that it was in the file (which it was). She held all the cards at that point and told me that I could not enter Canada with proof that I was a legal resident. I had my passport with me because I expect these things to happen - and they do, frequently.
I appreciate that, as Kiraly said, they can hassle you for any reason they want, so I hope to get more authoritative directions directly from CBP when her interview comes along. But wait, your experience refers to CBP telling you that you couldn't enter Canada? CBP doesn't control admission to Canada. Am I misunderstanding your situation? |
Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 20437932)
I appreciate that, as Kiraly said, they can hassle you for any reason they want, so I hope to get more authoritative directions directly from CBP when her interview comes along.
But wait, your experience refers to CBP telling you that you couldn't enter Canada? CBP doesn't control admission to Canada. Am I misunderstanding your situation? I wouldn't stress over it. I've gone in to the US with an Ontario enhanced license as an American and they haven't questioned it. I've also come back in to Canada with a US passport claiming to be Canadian, and they usually hassle me a bit, but never enough to make me change the way I travel. I feel I'm in the same situation as your daughter except reverse. When I applied I gave my birth certificate as proof of Canadian citizenship and my US passport number for US citizenship. It has never been a problem. Ask questions during her interview. I'm not saying what the previous person said is not factual (or at least happened to them), but my experiences and understanding go against what they're saying. |
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