Please provide evidence where it says that this does not apply to Canadian citizens. Also, please provide evidence where it says nexus is enough for air travel. Especially considering the linked document specifically says "The new policy concerning the use of the NEXUS card as proof of identity and documents that denote citizenship does not pertain to the air mode of transportation" (bolding mine).

That document is from 05/2010 so it's not exactly up to the minute and it does bring up non-citizens in the second paragraph. Also, please read my post again here and follow the links please where it is very clearly stated that NEXUS is definitely an acceptable document for travel between USA and CANADA when used at the designated kiosks.

You make some valid points in your previous post regarding confusion with some Airlines and machines going down etc. It's of course always best to carry a passport when crossing borders.

If I were in InTheAirGuy's shoes, I would actually call up both CBSA and CBP and present them with the question.

I think I will do that, and I think I will ask them to put a notation on my file to the effect that I have called.

On the other hand, we are working to see if we can reschedule.

secondary with V-IR?
 

Got sent to CBP secondary with V-IR the 1st time I used my Nexus. Is this a sign of more trouble to come? I heard V-RR means random and V-IR means something wrong in my file?

Okay, so, CBSA policy on this is very straightforward:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/whti-ivho...erien-eng.html

"It's important to note that there are no changes to the entry or re-entry requirements into Canada. While a NEXUS card may be used to board a plane departing the United States (based on a particular airlines' air carrier policy), the CBSA requires that all NEXUS program members seeking entry into Canada by air carry appropriate documentation, in addition to their NEXUS card."


As for the US/WHTI side... The Nexus policy is very narrowly interpreted -
"Nexus is the only required form of ID when used with the Nexus kiosk"

is actually interpreted as:

Nexus is the only required form of ID when used *exclusively* with the Nexus kiosk


As soon as a CBP agent requests to see your passport, you are no longer using a nexus kiosk, you're using a CBP agent. This is why you should *always* carry your passport (or other WHTI approved document) - as soon as you start interacting with a human, Nexus card is no longer WHTI compliant.

Is there any chance of flying out of BUF? Driving across the border should be no problem, and Nexus card is sufficient ID for boarding a US domestic flight.

This is exactly my thoughts on the issue as well. Of course, my policy is also when in doubt to go with whatever the higher possible requirements are, at least dealing with the border. As I've stated in this thread before, I would hate to know what the response is if I told a CBP official (or Canadian one, for that matter) that I didn't have a passport or other WHTI-compliant document on my person.

Not only that, you don't even need the Nexus at the airport in BUF. Once you're over the border, any government-issued ID, like a DL, is sufficient as well. I imagine TSA at BUF sees about as many Ontario DL's as they do New York ones.

Got it. I don't even think I'd dare risk it.

I suspect I'm going to drive to BUF and fly out of there.

US CBP are known (See TS&S forum for details) to have agents at BUF TSA document checkers and do secondary checks for passports of anyone who presents a non US ID (e.g. Canadian DL). Likely your story will check out, but I would not plan on a short connection or airport security experience.

Not saying this is likely, but just a tid bit of info from another FT area.

I am curious about this. I know that Canadian DLs and Nexus cards are valid is for TSA checkpoints (and are listed in the TSA book). As you say, TSA agents at places like BUF and SEA are likely to be familiar with Canadian DLs. In the past I have never had trouble using my BC Drivers license to pass through security in the US.

However, last week I flew SLC to SEA. The TSA agent saw my DL and demanded to also see my passport. I said my DL was sufficient, and that he could check the TSA rulebook if required. He continued to insist that I show my passport, since I had a foreign DL. I knew he was wrong, but I decided it was not worth it to demand to see a supervisor with the rule book, and just showed him my passport.

But from what you are saying, some TSA agents routinely do secondary checks of people showing Canadian DLs. Are they allowed to do this? Do I have any grounds for refusing to show my passport in these cases? To be clear, my objection is purely for principle, since I always carry my passport with me when in the US.

I don't know of any rule that says you have to show your passport (and I too, never had a problem with my Canadian DL, though I moved to the US several years ago). Especially if your BP is for a domestic US flight. In that case, they certainly have no business asking for a passport. No one is required to show proof of citizenship for a domestic flight, and shouldn't need to for the TSA at all.

However, it might not be worth the hassle if you have it. I mean, the worst they can really do is order a secondary, I guess, but it might be easier just to show the passport. I also have a famous story among my undergrad cohort in Chicago, where the grocery store clerk decided my Ontario DL wasn't government issued ID, so wouldn't let me buy alcohol (I was 25 at the time), but that is a whole other story.

I also remember reading a story in the NY Times a few months ago about CBP agents checking ID pretty much without cause in some cases. One example they gave was about a Rochester CBP office, which was originally opened solely to process ferry passengers from the short lived Toronto - Rochester ferry. Story went on to say that since the ferry was canceled, and despite that, the office grew about 10x, and some of these officers would go to places, like on purely domestic Amtrak trains, and demand ID from those looking like they were immigrants.

Just stopped by the YVR Nexus office to get the sticker for my passport. Agent didn't want to give it to me since I have no non US international travel planned and said I should come in again when I do because they don't have many stickers.

I told him I had come in specifically for the sticker and didn't want to make another trip (my home airport has no nexus office) - he really wasn't happy but did give it to me.

Not sure what the big objection was? I also thought the sticker was useful for entering the states (I'm flying to EWR next week).

Interesting. I was planning to stop by YVR NEXUS tomorrow to get a GE sticker for my YQR-ORD-FLL trip in May.

Hopefully they will give me a sticker - otherwise I'll have to chance going through GE stickerless at ORD and going to the GE office there.

If I was to go in (knowing what occurred today) I would probably have answered the "do you have any international travel planned other than the US?" question with "yes, but nothing booked yet" and that would have dealt with his assessment that I was not "'sticker worthy" :)

Still don't understand his assertion that it was not for US travel?

I believe he was asking if there would be any non-transborder US travel (and assuming that anyone going transborder would be flying through a nexus/pre-clearance airport - no chance to us GE if you pre-clear.).