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Old Timer's Airline Quiz and Discussion

Old Nov 19, 15, 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by Indelaware View Post
As a highschool student in 1980, I helped my father book quite a bit of travel on AA ex-CLE. But the schedules blend together in my mind from back then. Here's my 12. I'm probably off on a few.

1. BOS - Correct
2. LGA - Correct
3. BDL - Correct
4. ROC - Correct
5. ORD - surprisingly, incorrect!
6. STL - Correct
7. DFW - Correct
8. IAH - Correct
9. LAS (or possible LAS-PHX-CLE) - both LAS and PHX had separate nonstops
10. LAX - correct
11. CMH - incorrect
12. YYZ
- incorrect

So, you've named ten of the twelve nonstop destinations (I'll give you credit for both LAS and PHX). We're missing just two.

CLE-Chicago was not served by AA before deregulation; it was flown by United and Capital, and after the merger Northwest was allowed to be the second carrier.

CMH was served nonstop by AA before deregulation, but the route was dropped afterward. My September 7, 1977 AA timetable shows that AA's lone CLE-CMH flight continued to DAY and DFW.

I don't think YYZ-CLE was ever flown by AA.
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Old Nov 19, 15, 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
Ah, I see this was an eastbound operation only with the DC-10 with Cleveland being an intermediate stop. In that case, I'll guess the actual routing was LAX-CLE-LGA.
LGA is incorrect. I'll give you a further hint: the city served by the DC-10 is on the list of cities correctly identified by Indelaware; it isn't one of the two cities yet to be identified. It isn't LGA, and once the DC-10 arrived from LAX, it continued in a northeasterly direction to its final destination.
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Old Nov 19, 15, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by JoeDTW View Post
LGA is incorrect. I'll give you a further hint: the city served by the DC-10 is on the list of cities correctly identified by Indelaware; it isn't one of the two cities yet to be identified. It isn't LGA, and once the DC-10 arrived from LAX, it continued in a northeasterly direction to its final destination.
Let's go with LAX-CLE-BOS with regard to the AA eastbound DC-10 flight.

And as for the two remaining destinations, I'll guess Buffalo (BUF) and San Francisco (SFO).
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Old Nov 19, 15, 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by JoeDTW View Post
CLE-Chicago was not served by AA before deregulation; it was flown by United and Capital, and after the merger Northwest was allowed to be the second carrier.
I realize that AA didn't fly CLE-ORD until after deregulation, but you asked about 1980 which is indeed after deregulation. Nonethless, on checking, I see that AA didn't commence the route until even later.

In 1980, a passenger wishing direct Cleveland-Chicago service, in addition to UA & NW's nonstop CLE-ORD service, could fly ZW CLE-FWA-ORD and ML BKL-MDW.
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Old Nov 19, 15, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
Let's go with LAX-CLE-BOS with regard to the AA eastbound DC-10 flight.

And as for the two remaining destinations, I'll guess Buffalo (BUF) and San Francisco (SFO).
Correct on both questions.

The timing on the DC-10 flight (AA 38) was leave LAX 11:00 PM, arrive CLE 6:12 AM, leave CLE 7:00 AM, arrive BOS 8:32 AM. The DC-10 was then cleaned and serviced at BOS, and flew back non stop to LAX as AA 11 at 9:30 AM. The westbound red eye from BOS to LAX also stopped at CLE, but used a 707.

AA's full schedule from CLE was:

BOS: 2x (1x DC-10, 1x 727)
BUF: 1x 707, originated in LAS
DFW: 3x 727, plus a 1 stop 727 via STL
BDL: 1x 707, originated in SFO
IAH: 2x 727
LAS: 1x 707, plus a 1 stop 727 via PHX; the 707 originated in BUF
LAX: 3x (2x day 707, 1x day 727)
LGA: 3x 727
PHX: 1x 727
ROC: 1x 707, originated in LAX
STL: 3x 727
SFO: 1x 707, originated in BDL
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Old Nov 19, 15, 2:51 pm
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Interesting to see this 707 service not only on the relatively long flights to the west but also on the shorter runs to the east. But then again, not too surprising as Cleveland was, of course, an intermediate stop on the LAX-CLE-ROC, LAS-CLE-BUF and SFO-CLE-BDL routings. One also wonders if there was any opportunity for American connecting traffic via Cleveland between the east and the west.....

BTW, my very first jet flight (which occurred back in the mid 1960's) was LAX-MEM on board an AA 707.
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Old Nov 20, 15, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
Interesting to see this 707 service not only on the relatively long flights to the west but also on the shorter runs to the east. But then again, not too surprising as Cleveland was, of course, an intermediate stop on the LAX-CLE-ROC, LAS-CLE-BUF and SFO-CLE-BDL routings. One also wonders if there was any opportunity for American connecting traffic via Cleveland between the east and the west.....

BTW, my very first jet flight (which occurred back in the mid 1960's) was LAX-MEM on board an AA 707.
AA's timetable shows that these flights all connected with one another. The westbound flights also connected with CLE-PHX, but the eastbounds did not. It looks like in 1980 AA had a little focus city in CLE, although I question how profitable short haul 707 flying was.....
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Old Nov 20, 15, 9:46 pm
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And at long last, here's my latest batch of quiz items. All concern scheduled passenger airline operations except where noted.

As always, please limit your answers to two or, at most, three items at a time so all may participate.

Many Thanks!

General Quiz Items.....

1. Identify the only turboprop aircraft type ever operated in scheduled passenger service between San Francisco (SFO) and Honolulu (HNL). Also name the air carrier which operated this equipment on the route. ANSWERED

2. At one point, the three letter code for this aircraft type in the OAG was "FJF". Identify the aircraft. ANSWERED

3. This all cargo airline made the following statement in a print ad: "FOR RENT: UNFURN. ROOM, 10,642 CUBIC FT., IMMED. OCCUPANCY. So why ship your freight with a passenger airline? Cargo is beneath them." Name this air cargo air carrier and identify the aircraft type keeping in mind the volume in cubic feet stated above. ANSWERED

4. Delta operated two different turboprop types over the years with these aircraft performing very different missions. Identify both as well as their different missions. And please be precise when naming these types with regard to their model numbers. ANSWERED

5. Western Airlines was a prolific DC-10-10 operator. Why did they elect to operate DC-10-30 aircraft? ANSWERED

6. Over the years, a number of airlines have operated jet service into Burbank Airport (BUR, now Bob Hope Airport) that now no longer do so. Some air carriers merged with other airlines, other airlines pulled their mainline service from BUR and a number of carriers simply went out of business. One airline that no longer operates mainline jet service into BUR is United (with UA actually operating B767-200 aircraft nonstop BUR-ORD back in the mid 1980's). I've identified at least seventeen (17) other airlines that operated jet equipment into BUR in the past but now no longer do so for whatever reason. Name as many of these air carriers as you can. Mostly answered - still looking for at least two more airlines. See post #7857 for a list of the correctly identified air carriers

Quiz Items from the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's.....

7. In 1948, Continental was operating a daily flight with Douglas DC-3 equipment from Denver to San Antonio. This flight made no less than ten (10) intermediate stops en route. Identify them all in the order in which they were made. ANSWERED

8. It's 1951 and you are in Vancouver, B.C. preparing to board the weekly Canadian Pacific flight to Tokyo. The Captain walks by and you take this opportunity to ask him a question as you understand there is technical stop en route but you are unsure of the location. He thanks you for your interest and then tells you. Identify where your flight will be making this technical stop. And for bonus points, name the aircraft type you'll be flying on. ANSWERED

9. In 1953, United Airlines was flying into five airports which were all located on islands. Name all five. ANSWERED

10. It's 1962 and you are in Oakland. You need to travel to San Diego first thing in the morning and discover there is a flight leaving OAK at 7:00am that arrives SAN at 9:05am. This flight makes one intermediate stop en route. Identify the airline you'll be flying on, the intermediate stop and the aircraft type. ANSWERED

11. In 1963, this U.S. air carrier billed itself as being "THE NATION'S MOST PROGRESSIVE AIRLINE". Name this air carrier. ANSWERED

12. In 1964, Eastern Provincial Airways was operating only one aircraft type on its routes in eastern Canada. Identify this equipment. ANSWERED

13. In 1967, this airline was operating service twice a week from Montego Bay (MBJ) to Mexico City (MEX) with a four engine jet. This flight made two intermediate stops en route. Name the air carrier as well as the two stops in the order in which they were made and also identify the aircraft. ANSWERED.

14. Also in 1967, only one airline was offering international service from Corpus Christi (CRP) with a nonstop flight operated three days a week. Identify the airline, the international destination and the equipment operated on the route. ANSWERED

15. And speaking of international service in 1967 from the U.S., only one air carrier was flying nonstop from Miami (MIA) to Cozumel (CZM) at this time. Name the airline and the aircraft. ANSWERED

16. It's still 1967 and you are in St. Louis. You need to travel to Boston. Now you could take a nonstop....but then you discover an interesting multistop flight which departs STL at the civilized time of 10:20am and arrives in BOS at 5:48pm....which will give you plenty of time to get ready for a late dinner with friends. This flight makes five intermediate stops en route. Name the air carrier you'll be flying on, all five stops in the order in which they were made and the aircraft type. ANSWERED

17. Now it's 1968 and you are in Phoenix. You've just landed a consulting contract with B.C. Hydro and thus must fly to Vancouver, B.C. for a meeting with this electricity producer. Much to your surprise, you find there is a direct flight from PHX to YVR that makes three intermediate stops en route. Identify the airline, the three stops in the order in which they were made and the equipment. ANSWERED

18. Your first meeting with B.C. Hydro as a consultant has gone extremely well. However, they want you to travel as soon as possible to a project site located in Hudson's Hope, B.C., which is a place you've never even heard of. "Good Lord!", you exclaim, "How the heck am I supposed to get there?!" The answer is surprising: "No problem," says the B.C. Hydro Project Manager, "We already have arrangements in place with an airline for scheduled nonstop service three days a week from Vancouver. In fact, these flights appear in their timetable, although you must be on official B.C. Hydro business in order to travel on the service". Interesting! So what airline and aircraft type will you be flying on? ANSWERED

19. In 1969, Western Airlines was serving nine (9) destinations in Alaska. Name them all. ANSWERED

20. Speaking of 1969, you are back in St. Louis and you need to travel to Providence, R.I. There appears to be no nonstop service (which you really are not interested in)....but there is an interesting multistop flight which departs STL at 1:55pm and arrives PVD at 8:10pm with five stops being made en route. Identify the air carrier you'll be flying on, all five stops in the order in which they were made and the equipment. ANSWERED

To Be Continued.....With Quiz Items From The 1970's, 1980's And 1990's.....

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Old Nov 21, 15, 7:45 am
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These are some GREAT questions, jlemon.

Here are my guesses:

2. Fokker Jet Fellowship, aka the F.28

8. The aircraft is almost certainly a Canadair North Star. I'll guess Shemya, Alaska is the location of the technical stop.

Shemya was also used as a tech stop by Northwest Airlines, and the flight attendant dormitory there was nicknamed the "home for wayward girls".

17. I believe Western was the only airline that served both PHX and YVR in 1968. I'll guess the stops were LAX, SFO, and PDX, and the equipment was a 720-047 Fan Jet.
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Old Nov 21, 15, 8:05 am
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4. Delta operated two different turboprop types over the years with these aircraft performing very different missions. Identify both as well as their different missions. And please be precise when naming these types with regard to their model numbers.
one was the FH-227B that they inherited from the Northeast merger ~1971; to the best of my recollection these birds never got farther south than the NYC airports (I actually have a photo of one in NE "Yellowbird" livery, taken at BTV in 1967)

the other was the L-100 (civil variant of the C-130) that plied various cargo routes from the mid-1960s until the mid-1970s

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5. Western Airlines was a prolific DC-10-10 operator. Why did they elect to operate DC-10-30 aircraft?
the -10 didn't have the range for DEN-LGW which WA operated beginning ~1981 ... and again if memory serves they also operated the long-range variant HNL-ANC-LGW
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Old Nov 21, 15, 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by JoeDTW View Post
These are some GREAT questions, jlemon.

Here are my guesses:

2. Fokker Jet Fellowship, aka the F.28

8. The aircraft is almost certainly a Canadair North Star. I'll guess Shemya, Alaska is the location of the technical stop.

Shemya was also used as a tech stop by Northwest Airlines, and the flight attendant dormitory there was nicknamed the "home for wayward girls".

17. I believe Western was the only airline that served both PHX and YVR in 1968. I'll guess the stops were LAX, SFO, and PDX, and the equipment was a 720-047 Fan Jet.
2. Correct! The OAG also used "FKF" as the code for the F27 at one point.

8. Correct! I believe the Canadair North Star was a Canadian manufactured version of the Douglas DC-4 and was equipped with Rolls-Royce Merlin engines. BTW, Shemya (SYA, which was actually a U.S. Air Force base) was served in later years by Reeve Aleutian Airways flying Lockheed L-188 Electra and Boeing 727-100 combi aircraft.

17. Actually the aircraft was the Boeing 720-047B (720B) but you are close enough, sir!

However, while LAX and PDX are correct with regard to being intermediate stops, this flight did not stop at SFO. So please guess again!

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Old Nov 21, 15, 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by jrl767 View Post
one was the FH-227B that they inherited from the Northeast merger ~1971; to the best of my recollection these birds never got farther south than the NYC airports (I actually have a photo of one in NE "Yellowbird" livery, taken at BTV in 1967)

the other was the L-100 (civil variant of the C-130) that plied various cargo routes from the mid-1960s until the mid-1970s

the -10 didn't have the range for DEN-LGW which WA operated beginning ~1981 ... and again if memory serves they also operated the long-range variant HNL-ANC-LGW
4. Correct! It appears the FH-227 (and I think these aircraft were actually FH-227C models) was indeed confined to operations in the northeast following the acquisition of NE by DL and at least some of the aircraft were eventually repainted in the Delta livery. Delta also operated the L-100 (which indeed is the civil version of the C-130 Hercules) on a coast to coast all cargo network.

5. Correct! The flight from London Gatwick to Denver continued on to LAS and LAX.

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Old Nov 21, 15, 1:18 pm
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Thank you jlemon for this impressive collection of questions. I'll have a stab at a couple...

12. In 1964, Eastern Provincial Airways was operating only one aircraft type on its routes in eastern Canada. Identify this equipment.

Let's go with the ubiquitous DC-3

13. In 1967, this airline was operating service twice a week from Montego Bay (MBJ) to Mexico City (MEX) with a four engine jet. This flight made two intermediate stops en route. Name the air carrier as well as the two stops in the order in which they were made and also identify the aircraft.


This sounds like Pan Am, likely routing via Kingston and Merida with a 707
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Old Nov 21, 15, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon View Post
16. It's still 1967 and you are in St. Louis. You need to travel to Boston. Now you could take a nonstop....but then you discover an interesting multistop flight which departs STL at the civilized time of 10:20am and arrives in BOS at 5:48pm....which will give you plenty of time to get ready for a late dinner with friends. This flight makes five intermediate stops en route. Name the air carrier you'll be flying on, all five stops in the order in which they were made and the aircraft type.
I think this sounds like a scenic tour of the Great Lakes on an American Airlines 727-23, with stops being Chicago (ORD), Detroit (DTW), Buffalo (BUF), Rochester (ROC), and Syracuse (SYR)
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Old Nov 21, 15, 1:42 pm
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20. Speaking of 1969, you are back in St. Louis and you need to travel to Providence, R.I. There appears to be no nonstop service (which you really are not interested in)....but there is an interesting multistop flight which departs STL at 1:55pm and arrives PVD at 8:10pm with five stops being made en route. Identify the air carrier you'll be flying on, all five stops in the order in which they were made and the equipment.
I've actually got two candidates here, both twinjets that were built in Long Beach CA ... so I'm going to posit the first in alphabetical order and save the second for backup if I need it:
Allegheny, operating a DC9-30 via Indianapolis (IND), Columbus (CMH), Pittsburgh (PIT), Philadelphia (PHL), and LaGuardia (LGA)
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