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#391
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Company Representative - ExpertFlyer


Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,924
BA for one. Even if an airline can discriminate on point of sale it doesn't mean they will do so in all situations. We can't say for certain when it would or wouldn't be helpful, but we at least wanted to give our users a simple way of being able to see any possible differences between the availability if they do exist.
#392


Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: WAS
Posts: 3,048
Fare information question
Looking at fares OKC-BOS, departing 4/22/11 and returning 4/24/11.
Searching Kayak, I get AA with a fare of $396 ($438.80 ai). Looking up fares on EF, the cheapest AA fare is $558. I tried unchecking "validate fare".
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks!
Searching Kayak, I get AA with a fare of $396 ($438.80 ai). Looking up fares on EF, the cheapest AA fare is $558. I tried unchecking "validate fare".
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks!
#393
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 1999
Posts: 12,097
Fare 1: Carrier AA OA14ERD1 OKC to DFW (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code O
Covers OKC-DFW (Coach)
$40.93
Fare 2: Carrier AA QE10EQJ1 DFW to BOS (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Q
Covers DFW-BOS (Coach)
$143.26
Fare 3: Carrier AA QE10EQJ1 BOS to DFW (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Q
Covers BOS-DFW (Coach)
$143.25
Fare 4: Carrier AA OA14ERD1 DFW to OKC (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code O
Covers DFW-OKC (Coach)
$40.93
US Transportation Tax (US) $27.63
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) $10.00
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) $18.00
US Flight Segment Tax (ZP) $14.80
Subtotal per passenger $438.80
Number of passengers x1
TOTAL AIRFARE & TAXES $438.80
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code O
Covers OKC-DFW (Coach)
$40.93
Fare 2: Carrier AA QE10EQJ1 DFW to BOS (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Q
Covers DFW-BOS (Coach)
$143.26
Fare 3: Carrier AA QE10EQJ1 BOS to DFW (rules)
Passenger type ADT, round trip fare, booking code Q
Covers BOS-DFW (Coach)
$143.25
Fare 4: Carrier AA OA14ERD1 DFW to OKC (rules)
Passenger type ADT, one-way fare, booking code O
Covers DFW-OKC (Coach)
$40.93
US Transportation Tax (US) $27.63
US September 11th Security Fee (AY) $10.00
US Passenger Facility Charge (XF) $18.00
US Flight Segment Tax (ZP) $14.80
Subtotal per passenger $438.80
Number of passengers x1
TOTAL AIRFARE & TAXES $438.80
#394
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,924
Yes, and the other clue that AA is using a joined fare is that for OKC-BOS there is no availability in either Q or O on any flight for the outbound trip. However for OKC-DFW and DFW-BOS separately, there is.
#395
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: CHC
Programs: QF-Gold
Posts: 233
Two questions
Hi ExpertFlyer Voice
I have two questions regarding inconsistencies in what I'm seeing in EF and what I see on airline seat maps.
First, on LA801 on April 6 (but I think it is every date as I had the same issue on LA800 on my outbound flight) not every seat shown as available on the EF seat map is available for me to actually select on Lan.com or via their call centre. As an example, seat 12L appears available in EF but I can't actually select it. The same for the middle row aisle seats in rows 15 to 17. My QF (gold) frequent flyer number is entered in expert flyer and is included in my reservation. One possible explanation I have is the perhaps Lan is only offering preferred seats to its own frequent flyers, even though this is a published benefit for OW sapphire. What do you think is going on here?
Second, LA801 is a codeshare with QF322. But EF shows different aircraft (Aircraft: 340 vs Aircraft: 343). I don't know much about the difference between these aircraft, maybe it's just a different configuration, but the issue is that the QF codeshare is showing row 26 to be an exit row, which, having taken this flight multiple times, I know is not true (row 25 is the only exit row). This may not be an EF issue though as I was allocated row 26 on my outbound when I asked for an exit row at AKL, and I was disappointed that it was not one, despite the agent's assurances at check-in.
Thanks very much in advance
I have two questions regarding inconsistencies in what I'm seeing in EF and what I see on airline seat maps.
First, on LA801 on April 6 (but I think it is every date as I had the same issue on LA800 on my outbound flight) not every seat shown as available on the EF seat map is available for me to actually select on Lan.com or via their call centre. As an example, seat 12L appears available in EF but I can't actually select it. The same for the middle row aisle seats in rows 15 to 17. My QF (gold) frequent flyer number is entered in expert flyer and is included in my reservation. One possible explanation I have is the perhaps Lan is only offering preferred seats to its own frequent flyers, even though this is a published benefit for OW sapphire. What do you think is going on here?
Second, LA801 is a codeshare with QF322. But EF shows different aircraft (Aircraft: 340 vs Aircraft: 343). I don't know much about the difference between these aircraft, maybe it's just a different configuration, but the issue is that the QF codeshare is showing row 26 to be an exit row, which, having taken this flight multiple times, I know is not true (row 25 is the only exit row). This may not be an EF issue though as I was allocated row 26 on my outbound when I asked for an exit row at AKL, and I was disappointed that it was not one, despite the agent's assurances at check-in.
Thanks very much in advance
#396
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,924
Hi ExpertFlyer Voice
I have two questions regarding inconsistencies in what I'm seeing in EF and what I see on airline seat maps.
First, on LA801 on April 6 (but I think it is every date as I had the same issue on LA800 on my outbound flight) not every seat shown as available on the EF seat map is available for me to actually select on Lan.com or via their call centre. As an example, seat 12L appears available in EF but I can't actually select it. The same for the middle row aisle seats in rows 15 to 17. My QF (gold) frequent flyer number is entered in expert flyer and is included in my reservation. One possible explanation I have is the perhaps Lan is only offering preferred seats to its own frequent flyers, even though this is a published benefit for OW sapphire. What do you think is going on here?
I have two questions regarding inconsistencies in what I'm seeing in EF and what I see on airline seat maps.
First, on LA801 on April 6 (but I think it is every date as I had the same issue on LA800 on my outbound flight) not every seat shown as available on the EF seat map is available for me to actually select on Lan.com or via their call centre. As an example, seat 12L appears available in EF but I can't actually select it. The same for the middle row aisle seats in rows 15 to 17. My QF (gold) frequent flyer number is entered in expert flyer and is included in my reservation. One possible explanation I have is the perhaps Lan is only offering preferred seats to its own frequent flyers, even though this is a published benefit for OW sapphire. What do you think is going on here?
However assuming for the moment AKL-SYD, you can see that 12L is indeed marked as Available by LA:
Code:
1 - AKL 2 - SYD
NO SMOKING-AKLSYD
A C D E F H J L
12 / / / * B 12
13 / / / / / / 13
14 / / / / / / / / 14
15 / / * M * * * M / / 15
16 / / * M * * * M * * 16
17 * H * * * H 17
18 * H * * * 18
19 / / / / / / 19
20 * * * * * . 20
25 / / / / 25
AVAIL NO SMK: * BLOCK : / LEAST PREF: U BULKHEAD: BHD
AVAIL SMKING: - PREMIUM: Q UPPER DECK: J EXIT ROW: X
SEAT TAKEN: . WING: W PAID : P LAVATORY: LAV GALLEY: GAL
PREF ACCESS LAV: PAL DOOR: DOR SCREEN: SCR CLOSET: CLS
PREF ACCESS : H BASSINET: B UMNR: M REARFACE:
Second, LA801 is a codeshare with QF322. But EF shows different aircraft (Aircraft: 340 vs Aircraft: 343). I don't know much about the difference between these aircraft, maybe it's just a different configuration, but the issue is that the QF codeshare is showing row 26 to be an exit row, which, having taken this flight multiple times, I know is not true (row 25 is the only exit row). This may not be an EF issue though as I was allocated row 26 on my outbound when I asked for an exit row at AKL, and I was disappointed that it was not one, despite the agent's assurances at check-in.
LA doesn't mark exit rows on their seat maps, however if you look at this: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/LAN...irbus_A340.php It's easy to see why QF could think that row 25 is an exit row. Either way QF thinks 25 is an exit row, and that's why you got it. It looks to be a problem with LA communicating the seat map layout to QF and everyone else sees that mistake, QF agents included. Either way, ExpertFlyer shows exactly the same seat maps the airlines show to everyone else.
#397
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: CHC
Programs: QF-Gold
Posts: 233
Thanks for the reply. My apologies for asking in the wrong place - I will send an email to the address you provided for clarification.
Cheers
Cheers
#399
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Company Representative - ExpertFlyer


Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,924
LA Seat Maps
Thanks to your help lazy_flyer, we have updated the processing of LA seat maps so that seats marked as bassinet, handicap accessible, or suitable for minors (codes B,H,M) will now show as Blocked even when the seats are reported as otherwise available. Unlike other airlines, LA doesn't allow any of those seats to be pre-assigned.
#400




Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Bainbridge Island WA
Posts: 9,483
Thank you ExpertFlyer
I have been looking literally 3 times a day for 2 non-stop BIZ award seats on AF May 1st from SEA-CDG for the past 9 months. We had our tickets but because of limited availability when we first booked we had to connect through Chicago.
This morning I woke up and there was an award seat "alert" from EF saying 2 seats had opened up on the exact day we needed on the non-stop.
Ten minutes later after a call to the airline we were booked.
If it wasn't for the alert this morning...these coveted and rare seats would have been gone before I realized they had opened up.
Thanks EF.
This morning I woke up and there was an award seat "alert" from EF saying 2 seats had opened up on the exact day we needed on the non-stop.
Ten minutes later after a call to the airline we were booked.
If it wasn't for the alert this morning...these coveted and rare seats would have been gone before I realized they had opened up.
Thanks EF.
#402
Original Poster
Company Representative - ExpertFlyer


Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 2,924
Tonight we have released two new sets of enhancements:
ExpertFlyer Mobile Site:
Fare Information:
As always, if you have any questions or issues, you can email us at [email protected] If you are having an issue with the use of the new mobile site, please click the Contact Us link from your mobile device.
Enhanced Mobile Site: Flight Availability:

Enhanced Mobile Site: Fare Information:
ExpertFlyer Mobile Site:
- We have reworked the mobile site to be much more touch device friendly with an enhanced UI. Now when you browse to the mobile site (m.expertflyer.com) on any iPhone, iPod, Andriod, PalmOS, Windows Phone 7, or recent BlackBerry device, the newer version of the mobile site will automatically appear (see below for screen shots).
- You can now resubmit alerts from the mobile site.
Fare Information:
- The Fare Information search now has a Passenger Type option which allows you to see, in addition to regular Adult fares, these additional types of fares:
- Senior
- Military
- Government (different than Military fares)
- Student
- Youth
- For Fare Information searches that include Surcharges (fuel or otherwise, when applicable) in the price of the fare, there is now a View Fares Without Surcharges option at the top of the results page that will allow you to see the base fare without any Surcharges applied. Like before, any Fare Information result that does not include surcharges where applicable will note that in bold at the top of the page.
As always, if you have any questions or issues, you can email us at [email protected] If you are having an issue with the use of the new mobile site, please click the Contact Us link from your mobile device.
Enhanced Mobile Site: Flight Availability:

Enhanced Mobile Site: Fare Information:
#403
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Northeast Kansas | Colorado Native
Programs: Amex Gold/Plat, UA *G, Hyatt Globalist, IHG Plat Marriott LT Gold, NEXUS, TSA Disparager Unobtanium
Posts: 22,647
As always, thanks for the updates ^
p.s., don't forget to charge your battery
p.s., don't forget to charge your battery
#404
Moderator: New York City and FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Sep 2007
Programs: AA PPro, Natl EC
Posts: 10,884
Much easier to operate this interface with my fat fingers ^ (except maybe the AT&T part ;-p)
Wish all cabins could be displayed simultaneously on the seatmaps, but at least you have added the links to view the other cabins from the seatmap display without having to go Back.
Thanks!
Wish all cabins could be displayed simultaneously on the seatmaps, but at least you have added the links to view the other cabins from the seatmap display without having to go Back.
Thanks!
#405




Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 9,133
Now, if only Apple had a way to code the web form to turn off autocorrect, then you could do so on appropriate fields, and avoid the nonsense of autocorrecting airport and airline codes. Last time it did this, I ended up in some Catch-22 where the airline that EF thought I meant based on the autocorrect didn't fly the route, and I couldn't resubmit.



