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Old Nov 11, 2014, 2:41 am
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Where does the KVS tool get its data and is KVS authorized to provide this data in the manner it is presented?

The tool is known to access a variety of web sites, many in a manner that is not authorized. Please see the next section of this Wiki for a list of sites believed to be accessed and their data access policies (where known).

Additionally, under some conditions the tool appears to access sites via a KVS-operated back end. This means that the tool is not just a 'web browser' that runs via a user's machine. No detailed public information is available about how this works or whether any of this back-end access is authorized.

Websites KVS Accesses and their relevant Terms of Use

http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...verrideServlet
http://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConlin...PreviewServlet
https://book.aircanada.com/pl/AConli...verrideServlet
https://www.aircanada.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.aircanada.com/en/about/legal/notice.html
Use of our web site for any other purpose, including any commercial use or purpose, is expressly prohibited.
Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, you agree that, in using or accessing our website, you shall not commit or participate in any of the following acts or actions, each of which is expressly prohibited under this User Agreement:
directly or indirectly, use or access, or encourage, solicit, permit, facilitate, aid, assist or abet, including, but not limited to, the selling, licensing, distribution or provision to any person of any means that permit, the use or access, or agree to provide the use or access, of our website through any manual process or any automatic, electronic or technical device, including but not limited to automated scripts, robots, crawls, screen scrapers, web "bots", deep-links, indexes, spiders, click-spams, macro programs, or any other device, program, software, system, algorithm, methodology or technology, now known or hereinafter discovered, that performs the same or a similar function, in order to, without limitation: "data mine"; "screen scrape"; data process; access, extract, copy, distribute, aggregate or acquire information; generate impressions or clicks; input or store information; search or generate searches; or manipulate or monitor any portion or content of our website;

http://data.flight24.com/flights/
Terms of Use:
http://www.flightradar24.com/terms-and-conditions
Websites information and Services are provided for personal, non-commercial use only. Permission is granted to temporarily download one copy of the materials (information or software) on Flightradar24s web site for personal, non-commercial transitory viewing only. This is the grant of a license, not a transfer of title, and under this license you may not:

Modify or copy the materials;
Use the materials for any commercial purpose, or for any public display (commercial or non-commercial);
Attempt to decompile or reverse engineer any software contained on Flightradar24's web site;
Remove any copyright or other proprietary notations from the materials; or
Transfer the materials to another person or "mirror" the materials on any other server.

This license shall automatically terminate if you violate any of these restrictions and may be terminated by Flightradar24 at any time. Upon terminating your viewing of these materials or upon the termination of this license, you must destroy any downloaded materials in your possession whether in electronic or printed format.

http://data.seatexpert.com/tpi/find.php
Terms of Use:

http://plane.lan.com/cgi-bin/recibo_...bo_eticket.cgi
Terms of Use:
http://www.lan.com/en_us/sitio_perso...-use/about-us/
You may use the information on our site solely for non-commercial purposes, and any use or modification of the website contents is not permitted.

http://reservations.usairways.com/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://reservations.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/site_usage_policy.html
Content may be used for non-commercial personal use only, and you agree not to modify, copy, transmit, distribute, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, sell or otherwise transfer any information, software, products or services obtained from the Site without prior written permission from US Airways. You agree not to use any automatic device, manual process, or scraping to monitor or copy the Site or the content contained therein for any purpose without US Airways prior written permission. You agree not to use any device, software or routine to interfere with or attempt to interfere with the proper working of the Site or any activities conducted on the Site.

https://book.austrian.com/app/fb.fly
Terms of Use:
http://www.austrian.com/Info/LegalRegulations/WebsiteTerms.aspx?sc_lang=en&cc=AT
2. Proprietary rights
All trademark rights, copyrights, database rights and other intellectual property rights to the contents of the Austrian-website, (as well as the organization and layout of the website), together with the underlying software code rest, either with Austrian or with its licensors. You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Austrian-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Austrian.

3. Permissible use
All Austrian-website online services (including the booking machine) are provided solely for the purpose of enabling you to check the availability of goods or services relating to your journey (the timetable, for example), make legitimate reservations, use our online check-in or transact other business with suppliers. You may only use the website in accordance with these terms and conditions and for the legally permitted purposes described above. In particular, you indicate your agreement to the following:
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3.5 You may not reproduce information from the Austrian-website for commercial purposes. This also includes providing prices for Austrian flights on another website or another online server. In particular you may not copy, distribute, in other way use or reproduce discarded content from the Austrian-website with the help of 'robots', other search machine technologies or through other automatic mechanisms.

https://booking.qatarairways.com/qri...Booking.action
Terms of Use:

https://book.tam.com.br/TAM/dyn/air/...ng/retrievePNR
Terms of Use:

https://classic.checkmytrip.com/plne...ievePNR.action
Terms of Use:
(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://en.aegeanair.com
Terms of Use:

https://eservice.evaair.com
Terms of Use:

https://flymas.mobi/itravel/viewBooking.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://fly.rj.com/MyBookings/Home/EN/Default.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://skyvector.com/airport/
Terms of Use:

https://m.aeroflot.ru/b/info/pnr/load
Terms of Use:

https://mm.alitalia.com/GB_EN/booking/apvsearch.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://mobile1.emirates.com/myb/review.xhtml
Terms of Use:

https://myb.s7.ru/getMyBooking.action
Terms of Use:

https://mytripandmore.com/Itinerary.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://mytripandmore.com/TermsAndConditions.aspx
Except as expressly permitted by these Terms, you may not:
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9. use any "robot", "spider" or other automatic device, software, program, algorithm, routine, methodology, or any manual process or functionality:
...to monitor, assemble, analyse, index, copy, transmit, distribute, transfer, or link to any of the pages, data, materials, or content available on the Site,

https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/PilotWe...yICAOAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://prefunds.aa.com/refunds/receipt
https://www.aa.com/reservation/findReservationSubmit.do
Terms of Use:
https://www.aa.com/i18n/footer/siteUsage.jsp
Intellectual property notifications
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D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.
E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.
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Limitations on your use:
You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
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L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.
M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

https://raw.github.com/opentraveldat...i_airlines.csv
Terms of Use:

https://secure.jetairways.com/PlatformID/Identify.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://tickets.airtran.com/SeatAvailability.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.southwest.com/html/about-...ons/index.html
Prohibited Activities

You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of this site for public or commercial purposes without our express written permission. Nothing on this site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

You may not modify, re-render, frame, mirror, truncate, add to, inject, filter or change the order of the information contained on any page of the Southwest Airlines sites, including, without limitation, by any way of reproducing Southwest Airlines or SWABiz web pages or Company information on any other web site without our express written permission.

You may not copy, derive, edit, translate, decompile, reverse engineer, modify, use, or reproduce any code or source relating to our sites, including without limitation, any service or product Southwest offers.

You may not cause to appear any pop-up, pop-under, exit windows, expanding buttons, banners advertisement, or anything else which minimizes, covers, or otherwise inhibits the full display of the Southwest Airlines sites.

You may not use any deep-link, page-scrape, robot, crawl, index, spider, click spam, macro programs, Internet agent, or other automatic device, program, algorithm or methodology which does the same things, to use, access, copy, acquire information, generate impressions or clicks, input information, store information, search, generate searches, or monitor any portion of the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information.
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You may not disguise the origin of information transmitted to, from, or through the Southwest Airlines sites. You may not circumvent any measures implemented by Southwest Airlines aimed at preventing violations of the Use Agreement. You may not violate the restrictions in any robot exclusion header.

When you use the Southwest Airlines sites or Company information for an authorized purpose, you must include all proprietary notices without changing, hiding or deleting them.

You may not engage in any conduct that is, or that Southwest Airlines deems to be, in violation of this Use Agreement.

https://wftc3.e-travel.com
Terms of Use:

https://wtrweb.worldtracer.aero/WorldTracerWeb/pax.do
Terms of Use:

https://www121.jal.co.jp/JmbWeb/JR/S...MileCalc_en.do
Terms of Use:

https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/ETDisplay.tk
https://www4.thy.com/mybookings/getPnr.tk
Terms of Use:

https://www.airberlin.com/en-DE/cockpit
Terms of Use:

https://www.airfrance.fr/cgi-bin/AF/...chPnrAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.alaskaair.com/booking/reservationlookup
Terms of Use:

https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
https://www.bookonline.saudiairlines...verride.action
Terms of Use:

https://www.britishairways.com/trave...g/public/en_gb
Terms of Use:

https://www.checkmytrip.com/CMTSERVLET
Terms of Use:
https://www.checkmytrip.com/cmt/apf/...&SITE=NCMTNCMT
3. Licence restrictions

3.1 Except as expressly set out in this EULA or as permitted by any local law, you agree:
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(D) not to use any automated system or software to extract data from the Application, Documents or Services for commercial purposes (such as screen scraping);

https://www.delta.com/mytrips/findPnr.action
http://www.delta.com/ism/SeatMapDisplay.action
http://www.delta.com/shared/components/blank.jsp
Terms of Use:

https://www.finnair.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.flysas.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.iberia.com/web/retrievePNR.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.lot.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.lufthansa.com
Terms of Use:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/port...d=2016866&l=en

2. Proprietary rights
...You may not, either in whole or in part, copy, modify, distribute or use or reproduce in other form contents of the Lufthansa-website, or the underlying software code, without the prior written consent of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.
https://www.routehappy.com/
Terms of Use:

https://www.swiss.com
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripforyou.net/t4u/PTopAction.do
Terms of Use:

https://www.tripple.jp
Terms of Use:

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/app...n/default.aspx
Terms of Use:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/legal.aspx This website is for the User's personal, noncommercial use only. User agrees not to modify, copy, alter, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from this website without Uniteds prior written permission. User agrees not to use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy this website or the content contained therein or for any other unauthorized purpose without Uniteds prior written permission. ... United reserves the right to investigate any illegal and/or unauthorized use of this website, including, but not limited to, unauthorized framing of this website or unauthorized use of any robot, spider or other automated device, and to take appropriate legal action, including, without limitation, civil, criminal and injunctive redress.

https://www.viewtrip.com/GetItin.aspx
Terms of Use:

https://www.virginamerica.com/book/ow/a1/
Terms of Use:

https://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/g...ndBooking.next
Terms of Use:

https://www.virtuallythere.com/new/reservations.html
Terms of Use:

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/
Terms of Use:

http://worldaerodata.com/wad.cgi
Terms of Use:

http://www.airframes.org/fleet/
Terms of Use:

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_H...oking-now.html
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightradar24.com/
Terms of Use:

http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...ingByFlight.do
http://www.FlightStats.com/go/Flight...tusByFlight.do
Terms of Use:

http://www.flightview.com/TravelTool...eryResults.asp
http://www.flightview.com/TravelTools/viewairport.asp
Terms of Use:

http://www.gcmap.com/airport/
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui
Terms of Use:
http://www.gcmap.com/faq/using
Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps on my web page?
A: You may use maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper on non-commercial web pages (q.v. commericial use below) so long as you do not profit from them and you include the following credit on pages which include maps:
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Q: May I use the Great Circle Mapper's maps for commercial sites or publications?
A: Please write to Karl L. Swartz regarding terms for commercial use of the maps.

http://www.iata.org/about/members/Pa...line-list.aspx
Terms of Use:
http://www.iata.org/Pages/terms.aspx
2. Your Conduct

The content on this Site is for your personal use only within the organization or entity to which you are attached as applicable, and it is not intended for commercial exploitation unless expressly agreed in writing by IATA through a duly authorized representative. IATA authorizes you to download or reproduce selected materials at this Site only for your personal, non-commercial use, in the ordinary course of business provided that you retain all copyright and other proprietary notices contained in the original materials on any copies of the materials and that the title or database brand name and IATA name is stated as the source.

You may not otherwise modify, disassemble, create derivative works, distribute, reproduce, publicly display, perform, transmit, re-transmit, sell, rent, sublicense, or otherwise use any materials or content on this Site for commercial or non-commercial exploitation by yourself or the organization or entity to which you are attached or permit third parties to so do. Without limitation, unlimited or wholesale reproduction, copying of the content for commercial or non-commercial purposes and unwarranted modification of data and information within the content is not permitted, and any use of these materials on any other website or networked computer environment for any purpose without IATAs prior written consent is prohibited.
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4. Intellectual Property Rights

...You must not modify, decompile, or reverse engineer any software IATA discloses to you via this Site, and you must not remove, overprint, or deface any notice of copyright, trademark, logo, legend, or other notice of ownership from any originals or copies of software or information from the website. "IATA Trademarks" means all names, marks, brands, URL names or addresses, logos, designs, trade dress and other designations IATA uses in connection with Products or Services. You are not permitted to incorporate any IATA Trademarks into any other trademarks, service marks, company names, Internet addresses, domain names, or any other similar designations. Any unauthorized use of any materials contained on this website may violate copyright laws, trademark laws, the laws of privacy and publicity, and communications regulations and statutes.

http://www.itn.net/cgi/get
Terms of Use:

http://www.kenya-airways.com/kqbook.aspx
Terms of Use:

http://www.myairlines.ru
Terms of Use:

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/do/dyn/checkmytrip
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatexpert.com/multiple_results.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatguru.com/ajax/findseatmap.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatmaestro.com/airlines-...eckmytrip.html
http://www.seatmaestro.com/themes/de...te_airline.php
Terms of Use:

http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/Airline
http://www.seatplans.com/ajax/airports-and-city
http://www.seatplans.com/find-and-compare/
Terms of Use:
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Old May 6, 2012 | 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by KQ321
As noted in this thread, I've been having problems trying to book an Aeroplan award ticket Africa-Europe return.

When I try to check availability with Awards/AC-StarAlliance (using KVS v6.9.9.R3 on Win7), I get the following error:
Datasource Error [RD]: "(Engine Error/Unsupported Route)"

This seems to occur for any route between Africa and Europe (eg: JNB-LHR, FRA-ADD, etc). However, it doesn't occur for TATL routes (eg: LHR-YYZ, or even JNB-YYZ (which routes via LHR)).

Is this a problem with KVSTool, or with the Air Canada/Aeroplan booking engine? (The latter seems plausible, as I get errors when I try similar Africa-Europe routes on their website - so I was trying to use KVS to check if it was an availability problem, or a technical problem).
The [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Engine does not support certain routes -- please use the [Awards/StarAlliance] Method instead:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.9.R3/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
ADD  Addis Ababa Bole ET [HAAB]
FRI  01 Jun 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
ET         701     LHR   21:00     ADD   06:45 +1  763  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
BD         913     LHR   10:25     ADD   22:35     321  1+  FS/  CS+  YS-
SN         2094    LHR   10:05     BRU   12:20     319  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> ET     705     BRU   19:55     ADD   06:20 +1  763  1+  FS/  CS+  YS+
MS         778     LHR   15:00     CAI   20:45     773  0   FS/  CS+  YS-
 -> MS     851     CAI   22:45     ADD   03:30 +1  738  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
LH         923     LHR   07:15     FRA   10:00     320  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> LH     598     FRA   11:40     ADD   21:10     333  1+  FS-  CS+  YS+
LH         927     LCY   07:45     FRA   10:15     E90  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> LH     598     FRA   11:40     ADD   21:10     333  1+  FS-  CS+  YS+
Originally Posted by KQ321
On a related note, can I check award availability on ET using Sabre:Availability/FS? This shows X-class availability for ET flights (although not for any LH flights, as far as I can tell), although it isn't listed as a method for checking award availability on ET on the KVS FAQ. Or does availability in X mean something else in this context?
We have never actually seen that Method displaying X Availability on ET ...
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Old May 6, 2012 | 10:41 am
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just purchased the kvs tool... awesome tool!
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Old May 6, 2012 | 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by slackinormackin
just purchased the kvs tool... awesome tool!
have had some issues and i was wondering if im doing something wrong.

looking up an award flight from iad to bkk on july 11.

united.com shows over 20 flights with about 3-4 having YS+ whereas KVS only shows 4 flights and only 1 of those are YS+...

any suggestions?

link to kvs tool search
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Old May 6, 2012 | 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by slackinormackin
just purchased the kvs tool... awesome tool!
Welcome to the KVS Tool!

Originally Posted by slackinormackin
have had some issues and i was wondering if im doing something wrong.

looking up an award flight from iad to bkk on july 11.

united.com shows over 20 flights with about 3-4 having YS+ whereas KVS only shows 4 flights and only 1 of those are YS+...

any suggestions?
There are not that many single connection options between IAD & BKK. For 2 connections, please use the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Method:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.9.R3/Diamond - ITA: Awards/AC-StarAlliance/CA]
Code:
IAD  Washington Dulles Intl DC US [KIAD]
BKK  Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Intl TH [VTBS]
WED  11 Jul 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
UA         803     IAD   13:00     BKK   23:05 +1  777  1   YS+
LH         419     IAD   17:55     FRA   08:05 +1  74H  0   CS+
 -> TG     921     FRA   14:45 +1  BKK   06:25 +2  744  0   YS+
UA         932     IAD   22:01     FRA   11:50 +1  777  0   FS+
 -> TG     923     FRA   21:10 +1  BKK   12:50 +2  773  0   FS+
LH         415     IAD   22:05     MUC   12:30 +1  333  0   YS+
 -> TG     925     MUC   21:50 +1  BKK   13:40 +2  744  0   CS+  YS+
UA         897     IAD   12:19     PEK   14:20 +1  777  0   FS+
 -> CA     979     PEK   19:35 +1  BKK   23:40 +1  772  0   CS+
UA         897     IAD   12:19     PEK   14:20 +1  777  0   FS+
 -> TG     615     PEK   17:05 +1  BKK   21:15 +1  330  0   CS+
UA         936     IAD   17:58     ZRH   08:05 +1  763  0   YS+
 -> TG     971     ZRH   13:30 +1  BKK   05:30 +2  346  0   CS+
UA         124     IAD   17:34     AMS   07:15 +1  752  0   YS+
 -> LH     987     AMS   09:45 +1  FRA   11:00 +1  319  0   YS+
 -> TG     921     FRA   14:45 +1  BKK   06:25 +2  744  0   YS+
LH         419     IAD   17:55     FRA   08:05 +1  74H  0   CS+
 -> LH     1008    FRA   09:30 +1  BRU   10:25 +1  319  0   CS+
 -> TG     935     BRU   13:30 +1  BKK   05:35 +2  777  0   CS+
LH         419     IAD   17:55     FRA   08:05 +1  74H  0   CS+
 -> LH     248     FRA   09:25 +1  MXP   10:35 +1  321  0   CS+
 -> TG     941     MXP   14:05 +1  BKK   05:55 +2  346  0   CS+
UA         918     IAD   18:03     LHR   06:20 +1  777  0   YS+
 -> SN     2094    LHR   10:05 +1  BRU   12:20 +1  319  0   YS+
 -> TG     935     BRU   13:30 +1  BKK   05:35 +2  777  0   YS+
UA         130     IAD   18:49     LHR   07:30 +1  752  0   YS+
 -> SN     2094    LHR   10:05 +1  BRU   12:20 +1  319  0   YS+
 -> TG     935     BRU   13:30 +1  BKK   05:35 +2  777  0   YS+
UA         918     IAD   18:03     LHR   06:20 +1  777  0   YS+
 -> LH     903     LHR   09:45 +1  FRA   12:30 +1  321  0   YS+
 -> TG     921     FRA   14:45 +1  BKK   06:25 +2  744  0   YS+
UA         918     IAD   18:03     LHR   06:20 +1  777  0   YS+
 -> LH     925     LHR   08:20 +1  FRA   11:05 +1  319  0   YS+
 -> TG     921     FRA   14:45 +1  BKK   06:25 +2  744  0   YS+
UA         918     IAD   18:03     LHR   06:20 +1  777  0   YS+
 -> LH     901     LHR   09:05 +1  FRA   11:50 +1  320  0   YS+
 -> TG     921     FRA   14:45 +1  BKK   06:25 +2  744  0   YS+
UA         130     IAD   18:49     LHR   07:30 +1  752  0   YS+
 -> LH     901     LHR   09:05 +1  FRA   11:50 +1  320  0   YS+
 -> TG     921     FRA   14:45 +1  BKK   06:25 +2  744  0   YS+
UA         130     IAD   18:49     LHR   07:30 +1  752  0   YS+
 -> LH     903     LHR   09:45 +1  FRA   12:30 +1  321  0   YS+
 -> TG     921     FRA   14:45 +1  BKK   06:25 +2  744  0   YS+
UA         754     IAD   09:09     ORD   10:10     320  0   YS+
 -> UA     895     ORD   13:37     HKG   17:55 +1  744  0   YS+
 -> TG     639     HKG   19:05 +1  BKK   20:45 +1  333  0   YS+
UA/G7      3641    IAD   16:50     YUL   18:32     CR7  0   YS+
 -> AC     832     YUL   19:45     BRU   08:35 +1  763  0   YS+
 -> TG     935     BRU   13:30 +1  BKK   05:35 +2  777  0   YS+
UA         936     IAD   17:58     ZRH   08:05 +1  763  0   YS+
 -> LX     154     ZRH   09:45 +1  BOM   21:40 +1  333  0   CS+
 -> TG     318     BOM   23:35 +1  BKK   05:35 +2  333  0   CS+
UA         936     IAD   17:58     ZRH   08:05 +1  763  0   YS+
 -> LX/#S  778     ZRH   09:10 +1  BRU   10:30 +1  AR1  0   YS+
 -> TG     935     BRU   13:30 +1  BKK   05:35 +2  777  0   YS+
UA         936     IAD   17:58     ZRH   08:05 +1  763  0   YS+
 -> LX/#S  1072    ZRH   12:15 +1  FRA   13:20 +1  AR1  0   YS+
 -> TG     921     FRA   14:45 +1  BKK   06:25 +2  744  0   YS+
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Old May 6, 2012 | 11:29 am
  #5060  
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Originally Posted by KVS
The [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Engine does not support certain routes -- please use the [Awards/StarAlliance] Method instead:
Many thanks for this - and for your answer in my other thread.

It would be nice if Aeroplan mentioned their booking engine's limitations on their own website, but maybe that's too much to ask for...

Originally Posted by KVS
We have never actually seen that Method displaying X Availability on ET ...

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.9.R3/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:
NBO  Nairobi Metro / Jomo Kenyatta Intl KE = NBO WIL [HKNA]
BRU  Brussels Metro / National BE = BRU CRL ZYR [EBBR]
THU  24 May 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------------------
ET         800     NBO   18:20     ADD   20:25     738      C4 J4 D7 Z3 I0 R0 Y4 G4 S4 X4 B4 M4 K4 L4 V4 H4 U4 Q4 T4 W4 E4 O4 N0
 -> ET     704     ADD   23:45     BRU   08:45     763      C4 J4 D4 Z3 I0 R0 Y4 G4 S4 X4 B4 M4 K4 L4 V4 H4 U4 Q4 T4 W3 E0 O0 N0
ET         802     NBO   03:25     ADD   05:30     737      C7 J7 D7 Z3 I0 R4 Y4 G4 S4 X4 B4 M4 K4 L4 V4 H4 U4 Q4 T4 W4 E4 O4 N4
 -> ET     706     ADD   10:00     FRA   16:35     763      C4 J4 D4 Z3 I0 R4 Y4 G4 S4 X4 B4 M4 K4 L4 V4 H4 U4 Q4 T4 W4 E4 O4 N4
 -> ET/LH  1559    FRA   18:50     BRU   19:45     CR7      C4 J4 D4 Y0 G0 S0 B0 M0 K0 L0 V0 H0 U0 Q0 T0 W0 E0 O0
There you go!
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Old May 6, 2012 | 1:07 pm
  #5061  
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Originally Posted by KVS
The Routing Rules for NZ Fares on the YOW-PER are shown below:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Routing Rules: YOW-PER/NZ/Z3CA/14873 USD]
Code:
YOWPER-NZ 01APR12      *RULE DISPLAY*     TARIFF 0003 RULE 4011 
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *                          
   -FARE BASIS         CAD       NUC                PTC  FT  GI 
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64               ADT  EX  PA 
Z3CACH          R  14668.00  14454.64               CNN  EX  PA 
Z3CAINF         R   1467.00   1445.66               INF  EX  PA 
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64               INS  EX  PA 
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64               UNN  EX  PA 
BOOKING CODES        Z                                          
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - BX - BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION              
MPM - PA 13899 VIA PACIFIC
---------------------------------------------------------------

CONSTRUCTED ROUTING - SPECIFIED 229              DEST ADD 15    
             FROM-TO  YOW-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL         
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL         
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX         
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX         
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG      
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/      
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                       
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/      
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG        
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-BOS/STL-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                        
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-BOS/STL-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG         
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/       
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/       
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG      
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA      
                      -LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA      
                      -LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL      
                      -WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL      
                      -PER*                                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/     
                      UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/     
                      UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL      
                      -WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL      
                      -PER*                                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-CO-CLE/HOU-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/      
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-CO-CLE/HOU-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/      
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG      
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL      
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL      
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL      
                      -PER*                                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL      
                      -ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/     
                      ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                      
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL      
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL      
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-UA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/     
                      HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                           
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-UA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/     
                      HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/       
                      NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*          
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/     
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG       
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-AS-SEA-AS-SFO/       
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*              
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-AS-SEA-AS-SFO/       
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/      
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG       
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX         
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX         
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG      
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/UA       
                      -SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                         
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/UA       
                      -SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/     
                      NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*          
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-UA-SFO-UA-LAX        
                      -NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-UA-SFO-UA-LAX        
                      -NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL      
                      -WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL      
                      -PER*                                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-US-LAS-US-SFO/       
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*              
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-US-LAS-US-SFO/       
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/      
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG       
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-US-PHX-US-SFO/       
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*              
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-US-PHX-US-SFO/       
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/      
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG       
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/     
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG       
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/      
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                       
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/      
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG        
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                        
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG         
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-DEN-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                        
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-DEN-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG         
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-WAS-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                        
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-WAS-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG         
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-US-LAS-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                        
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-US-LAS-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG         
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-US-PHL-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                        
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-US-PHL-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG         
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR       
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR       
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL         
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL         
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX         
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX         
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG      
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/      
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                       
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/      
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG        
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*     
             FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-US-LAS-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/       
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                        
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL         
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL         
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL         
                      -PER*                                     
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL         
                      -ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/     
                      ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                      
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL         
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL         
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC      
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-UA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-UA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA      
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-AKL-PER*                
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/        
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG       
                      -AKL-PER*                                 
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA         
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA         
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-UA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA         
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-UA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA         
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-UA-WAS-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA         
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-UA-WAS-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA         
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*             
             FROM-TO  YOW-US-PHL-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA         
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                             
             FROM-TO  YOW-US-PHL-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA         
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN      
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*


For RTW and other special Circle Fares, please use the [Sabre: DotRes] Method:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:
YOW  Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
RTW  01 Jun 2012 | 15 Jun 2012 | Economy

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AC         YOW     YOW      4289   USD                      YRWSPCL
AC         YOW     YOW      6231   USD                      YRWSTAR1
AC         YOW     YOW      7256   USD                      YRWSTAR2
AC         YOW     YOW      8374   USD                      YRWSTAR3
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:
YOW  Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
RTW  01 Jun 2012 | 15 Jun 2012 | Economy

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
BA         YOW     YOW      3504   USD                      LCIRAT17
BA         YOW     YOW      3703   USD                      LONE3
BA         YOW     YOW      3803   USD                      LGLOB26
BA         YOW     YOW      3804   USD                      LCIR22
BA         YOW     YOW      4004   USD                      LCIRAT21
BA         YOW     YOW      4505   USD                      LCIR26
BA         YOW     YOW      4605   USD                      LCIRAT25
BA         YOW     YOW      5006   USD                      LCIR29SA
BA         YOW     YOW      5305   USD                      LONE4
BA         YOW     YOW      5405   USD                      LGLOB29
BA         YOW     YOW      6106   USD                      LONE5
BA         YOW     YOW      6206   USD                      LGLOB34
BA         YOW     YOW      7107   USD                      LONE6
BA         YOW     YOW      7207   USD                      LGLOB39
I have am having still some problems.

One is that I get an error message whenever (whichever fare method) I try to get routing rules from YOW to Perth on ANZ.

I have decided that I want to travel in Dec on a Circle Pacific fare, probably in business class. The rules state that I can only use YVR as the gateway, if I want to use a Canadian gateway city (which I do; I do not want to use an American gateway city). Looking at your example above, none would be Circle Pacific fares. So if I enter YVR to YVR on the KVS tool, is there only one, or are there several business class fare options, for a Circle Pacific business class fare?

One of the web sites also states that SQ and NZ have a combined (those 2 airlines only) fare - can the KVS tool find the fare (presumably, again I would have to use YVR as the Canadian gateway city)?

Thanks.
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Old May 6, 2012 | 7:58 pm
  #5062  
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
I have am having still some problems.

One is that I get an error message whenever (whichever fare method) I try to get routing rules from YOW to Perth on ANZ.
Perhaps a transient issue? First attempt worked fine for me.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.9/Diamond - Routing Rules: YOW-PER/NZ/JA2C/11008 CAD]
Code:
YOWPER-NZ  6MAY12      *RULE DISPLAY*     TARIFF 0003 RULE 8061 
                          
   -FARE BASIS         CAD       NUC                PTC  FT  GI 
JA2C            R  11008.00  11047.32               ADT  EX  PA 
JA2C/CH00       R  11008.00  11047.32               CNN  EX  PA 
JA2C/INF90      R   1100.00   1104.72               INF  EX  PA 
JA2C            R  11008.00  11047.32               INS  EX  PA 
JA2C            R  11008.00  11047.32               UNN  EX  PA 

BOOKING CODES        J                                          

INDUSTRY FARE TYPE -  BX - BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION             
MPM - PA 13899 VIA PACIFIC

---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING C003 FROM-TO  YOW-UA/AA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-     
                      HNL-AKL-PER*                              
             FROM-TO  YOW-UA/AA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-     
                      HNL-AKL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/      
                      WLG-AKL-PER*                              
             FROM-TO  YOW-UA/AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-     
                      AKL-PER*                                  
  snipped lots of routes to shorten listing   

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I have decided that I want to travel in Dec on a Circle Pacific fare, probably in business class. The rules state that I can only use YVR as the gateway, if I want to use a Canadian gateway city (which I do; I do not want to use an American gateway city). Looking at your example above, none would be Circle Pacific fares. So if I enter YVR to YVR on the KVS tool, is there only one, or are there several business class fare options, for a Circle Pacific business class fare?
Have you tried entering YVR to YVR in the KVS tool? It does show the two star alliance business class Circle Pacific fares.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.9/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:
YVR  Vancouver Metro / Intl BC CA = YVR CXH [CYVR]
RTW  01 Jun 2012 | 22 Sep 2012

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AC         YVR     YVR      3790   CAD                      YCPSTAR1
AC         YVR     YVR      3953   CAD                      YRWSPCL
AC         YVR     YVR      4511   CAD                      YCPSTAR2
AC         YVR     YVR      5420   CAD                      YRWSTAR1
AC         YVR     YVR      6177   CAD                      YRWSTAR2
AC         YVR     YVR      7273   CAD                      YRWSTAR3
AC         YVR     YVR      7861   CAD                      CCPSTAR1
AC         YVR     YVR      9399   CAD                      CCPSTAR2
AC         YVR     YVR     10378   CAD                      CRWSTAR1
AC         YVR     YVR     10538   CAD                      FCPSTAR1
AC         YVR     YVR     12190   CAD                      CRWSTAR2
AC         YVR     YVR     12644   CAD                      FCPSTAR2
AC         YVR     YVR     14062   CAD                      CRWSTAR3
AC         YVR     YVR     16708   CAD                      FRWSTAR1
AC         YVR     YVR     20085   CAD                      FRWSTAR2
AC         YVR     YVR     23456   CAD                      FRWSTAR3
One of the web sites also states that SQ and NZ have a combined (those 2 airlines only) fare - can the KVS tool find the fare (presumably, again I would have to use YVR as the Canadian gateway city)?
I don't know about an SQ/NZ combined fare, but there is a SQ/NZ/VS "World Escapade" fare. It seems this fare is not available from Canada (in KVS I tried YVR and YTO and didn't get it); but it is available from the US:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.9/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:
SFO  San Francisco Intl CA US [KSFO]
RTW  01 Jun 2012 | 22 Sep 2012

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
NZ         SFO     SFO      3971   USD                      YRWSPCL
NZ         SFO     SFO      4499   USD                      YCPSTAR1
NZ         SFO     SFO      4800   USD                      YRWESC
NZ         SFO     SFO      5397   USD                      YCPSTAR2
NZ         SFO     SFO      5444   USD                      YRWSTAR1
NZ         SFO     SFO      6205   USD                      YRWSTAR2
NZ         SFO     SFO      7306   USD                      YRWSTAR3
NZ         SFO     SFO      8200   USD                      ZRWESC
NZ         SFO     SFO      9213   USD                      CCPSTAR1
NZ         SFO     SFO     10425   USD                      CRWSTAR1
NZ         SFO     SFO     11085   USD                      CCPSTAR2
NZ         SFO     SFO     12245   USD                      CRWSTAR2
NZ         SFO     SFO     12703   USD                      FCPSTAR1
NZ         SFO     SFO     14126   USD                      CRWSTAR3
NZ         SFO     SFO     15208   USD                      FCPSTAR2
NZ         SFO     SFO     16784   USD                      FRWSTAR1
NZ         SFO     SFO     20177   USD                      FRWSTAR2
NZ         SFO     SFO     23563   USD                      FRWSTAR3
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Old May 8, 2012 | 7:17 pm
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
Perhaps a transient issue? First attempt worked fine for me.
Originally Posted by pandaperth
Have you tried entering YVR to YVR in the KVS tool? It does show the two star alliance business class Circle Pacific fares.
Originally Posted by pandaperth
I don't know about an SQ/NZ combined fare, but there is a SQ/NZ/VS "World Escapade" fare. It seems this fare is not available from Canada (in KVS I tried YVR and YTO and didn't get it); but it is available from the US:
Many thanks to pandaperth for answering FlyerGoldII's questions.

Ex-North America, SQ/NZ/VS xRWESC Fares are only available from select cities in the US.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 8:26 pm
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Thanks, to both of you.

For the world escapade fare, which other US cities are they available from?

In particular, I am interested in LAX, or HNL, or one of the NYC gateways.
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Old May 9, 2012 | 1:54 am
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
Thanks, to both of you.

For the world escapade fare, which other US cities are they available from?

In particular, I am interested in LAX, or HNL, or one of the NYC gateways.
Well I think it is time you learnt to use the KVS tool yourself

On the fares tab choose RTW, plug in various US cities in turn and choose SQ, VS or NZ as the carrier and see what comes up
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Old May 9, 2012 | 8:39 am
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The idea is great, as it speeds up searching for the +7 days.

The problem, which I can see is:
- no connecting flights
- it gives you the results for non-existing flights
Please cross-check below vs. which flights actually fly on these days.

I understand that it is beta and the general idea is good.

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.9902/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance-7D]
Code:
WAW  Warsaw Okecie PL [EPWA]
JFK  New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK]
TUE  21 Aug 2012 - 28 Aug 2012 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
LO         6       WAW   12:25     JFK   16:05     763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         6       WAW   12:25 +1  JFK   16:05 +1  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         6       WAW   12:25 +2  JFK   16:05 +2  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         6       WAW   12:25 +3  JFK   16:05 +3  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         6       WAW   12:25 +4  JFK   16:05 +4  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         6       WAW   12:25 +5  JFK   16:05 +5  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         6       WAW   12:25 +6  JFK   16:05 +6  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         11      WAW   13:10     EWR   16:50     763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         11      WAW   13:10 +1  EWR   16:50 +1  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         11      WAW   13:10 +2  EWR   16:50 +2  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         11      WAW   13:10 +3  EWR   16:50 +3  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         11      WAW   13:10 +4  EWR   16:50 +4  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         11      WAW   13:10 +5  EWR   16:50 +5  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         11      WAW   13:10 +6  EWR   16:50 +6  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         26      WAW   17:20     JFK   21:00     763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         26      WAW   17:20 +1  JFK   21:00 +1  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         26      WAW   17:20 +2  JFK   21:00 +2  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         26      WAW   17:20 +3  JFK   21:00 +3  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         26      WAW   17:20 +4  JFK   21:00 +4  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         26      WAW   17:20 +5  JFK   21:00 +5  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         26      WAW   17:20 +6  JFK   21:00 +6  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         15      WAW   17:30     EWR   21:15     763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         15      WAW   17:30 +1  EWR   21:15 +1  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         15      WAW   17:30 +2  EWR   21:15 +2  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         15      WAW   17:30 +3  EWR   21:15 +3  763  0   FS/  CS-
LO         15      WAW   17:30 +4  EWR   21:15 +4  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         15      WAW   17:30 +5  EWR   21:15 +5  763  0   FS/  CS/
LO         15      WAW   17:30 +6  EWR   21:15 +6  763  0   FS/  CS-
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Old May 10, 2012 | 7:38 am
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Having an issue looking up seat map info on transatlantic USAirways flights in Class C/D etc. Y and other economy class seat maps come up but nothing for Envoy just this message. I tried about 6 different flights and the same over and over.

Have US blocked out the business class seat maps and data recently? I regularly used this as a way to judge whether to book a business fare or to chance the Go-Envoy paid upgrade if there were plenty of seats in inventory a week out.

I pull this as I used to from Availability tab using 'SABRE: Availability' as the option. The Availability counts are there but seatmaps/text/Business brings up the message 'The Seat Map is currently closed for the requested flight/cabin'

Thanks

Stuart
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Old May 10, 2012 | 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by stueym
Having an issue looking up seat map info on transatlantic USAirways flights in Class C/D etc. Y and other economy class seat maps come up but nothing for Envoy just this message. I tried about 6 different flights and the same over and over.

Have US blocked out the business class seat maps and data recently? I regularly used this as a way to judge whether to book a business fare or to chance the Go-Envoy paid upgrade if there were plenty of seats in inventory a week out.

I pull this as I used to from Availability tab using 'SABRE: Availability' as the option. The Availability counts are there but seatmaps/text/Business brings up the message 'The Seat Map is currently closed for the requested flight/cabin'
Could you please provide a specific Flight/Date example?
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Old May 10, 2012 | 10:58 pm
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So far the 7 day forecast works very well. Nothing to complain about.
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Old May 10, 2012 | 11:36 pm
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So far the 7 day forecast works very well. Nothing to complain about.
Gotta agree. I haven't used it extensively, but it seems to work fine. Some other options might be nice though, such as +/-3 days instead of just x thru x+6. I realize that I can accomplish that by setting my start date 3 days earlier than I intended, but sometimes thinking of it as a delta around a center point is easier.
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