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KVS Mar 5, 2012 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by sparkzone (Post 18137989)
KE Biz award (O) still not showing, only F (A). is this a bug or KE is not releasing it?

It appears that KE is currently providing O Award Availability for certain routes only (e.g. ICN-NRT) ...

KVS Mar 5, 2012 12:03 pm


Originally Posted by luv2ctheworld (Post 18135741)
EDIT:
I think v.6.9.6 works only with CI as any routing other than CI's is not available.

What is the route/date in question?

sparkzone Mar 5, 2012 2:08 pm

Thanks for response, any idea what route showing O so far?
ICN-NRT and what else? any flights from usa?


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 18139023)
It appears that KE is currently providing O Award Availability for certain routes only (e.g. ICN-NRT) ...


KVS Mar 5, 2012 3:16 pm


Originally Posted by sparkzone (Post 18139948)
Thanks for response, any idea what route showing O so far?
ICN-NRT and what else? any flights from usa?

At the moment, we are seeing that is accessible on routes between ICN/GMP and JP/TW.

luv2ctheworld Mar 5, 2012 3:36 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 18139032)
What is the route/date in question?

Just some samples I tried:
Using Amadeus: Awards/Skyteam w/ POS: US-AF or FR-AF -
ICN-LAX 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date out of Range; KE should have some kind of flight listed

LAX-PVG 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - Only CI or AF routing to PVG available. No mention of China Eastern (MU) for their routing.

LAX-CAN 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date out of Range; CZ should have some kind of flight listed. No mention of China Southern (CZ) for their routing.

These are hub flights, so there shouldn't be any reason nothing is available. Other dates also yielded same results.

KVS Mar 5, 2012 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by luv2ctheworld (Post 18140648)
Just some samples I tried:
Using Amadeus: Awards/Skyteam w/ POS: US-AF or FR-AF -
ICN-LAX 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date out of Range; KE should have some kind of flight listed

LAX-PVG 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - Only CI or AF routing to PVG available. No mention of China Eastern (MU) for their routing.

LAX-CAN 22 Mar 2012 (and v.v.) - No Award Availability/Route too complex/Date out of Range; KE should have some kind of flight listed. No mention of China Southern (CZ) for their routing.

These are hub flights, so there shouldn't be any reason nothing is available. Other dates also yielded same results.

KE & MU are not supported by the [Awards/SkyTeam] Engine. For MU, you need to use the [Sabre: FS] Method instead.

Please consult the table at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AwardUpgradeClasses_SkyTeam for details.

As for LAX-CAN, it appears to be an Engine issue -- please use the [Sabre: FS] Method as an alternative:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:

LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
CAN  Guangzhou Baiyun CN [ZGGG]
THU  22 Mar 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------------------
CZ        328    LAX  23:30    CAN  06:00    772      C9 D9 I0 J0 W9 Z9 Y9 T9 K9 H9 M9 G9 S9 L9 Q0 U0 E0 V0 B0 X0 N0 R0 O0


GaryD Mar 6, 2012 2:37 pm

I'm considering renewing my KVS subscription, but I can't figure out if it has a benefit over what is available elsewhere.

Mrs. GaryD is JMB Diamond, so seems to be eligible for additional JL award seats. The BA and JL sites provide access to award seat inventory.

Is the BA site data, for using "Avios" on JL flights, the same as JL's data for using JMB miles? In other words, does JL hold back some seats for its own members?

The JL site explicitly says that for Diamond members, more inventory is available, for which a phone call is necessary. Can that inventory be accessed with KVS?

We are looking for an award NRT-JFK-NRT on JL F in June. Which level subscription would suffice for a complete search?

If inventory does open up, what mechanism is there for subscribers to learn of it, other than rechecking regularly?

Thanks.

KVS Mar 6, 2012 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by GaryD (Post 18147626)
Is the BA site data, for using "Avios" on JL flights, the same as JL's data for using JMB miles? In other words, does JL hold back some seats for its own members?

OneWorld rules strongly discourage such practices. Most likely, JL can manually open-up additional award seats for its own Elite members (as you indicated below).


Originally Posted by GaryD (Post 18147626)
The JL site explicitly says that for Diamond members, more inventory is available, for which a phone call is necessary. Can that inventory be accessed with KVS?

If the special Award Inventory needs to be requested manually, then there is no way to avoid the phone call. While the KVS Tool can dial the JL number for you automatically via Skype (when using the main application) or via your Mobile device (when using the KVS Tool Mobile Companion), it is not currently capable of holding actual conversations with human Agents :)


Originally Posted by GaryD (Post 18147626)
We are looking for an award NRT-JFK-NRT on JL F in June. Which level subscription would suffice for a complete search?

For JL Award Availability, you would need the Diamond level -- please see http://Levels.KVSTool.com/ for details.


Originally Posted by GaryD (Post 18147626)
If inventory does open up, what mechanism is there for subscribers to learn of it, other than rechecking regularly?

You would need to re-check periodically, but, once you save your query under [My Trips], it will only take a simple mouse-click.

KVS Mar 6, 2012 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 18124674)
I want to go from YOW to Perth Australia for a vacation in Dec.

1. Using the KVS tool, I can not get fare routing rules on Air New Zealand - I could not get the routing rules for any departure point in Canada to any destination in New Zealand or Australia.

The Routing Rules for NZ Fares on the YOW-PER are shown below:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Routing Rules: YOW-PER/NZ/Z3CA/14873 USD]
Code:

YOWPER-NZ 01APR12      *RULE DISPLAY*    TARIFF 0003 RULE 4011
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *                         
  -FARE BASIS        CAD      NUC                PTC  FT  GI
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64              ADT  EX  PA
Z3CACH          R  14668.00  14454.64              CNN  EX  PA
Z3CAINF        R  1467.00  1445.66              INF  EX  PA
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64              INS  EX  PA
Z3CA            R  14668.00  14454.64              UNN  EX  PA
BOOKING CODES        Z                                         
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - BX - BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION             
MPM - PA 13899 VIA PACIFIC
---------------------------------------------------------------

CONSTRUCTED ROUTING - SPECIFIED 229              DEST ADD 15   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL       
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL       
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC     
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX       
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX       
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG     
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/     
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                     
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YMQ-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/     
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-BOS/STL-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                       
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-BOS/STL-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA     
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                           
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AA-CHI-AA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA     
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN     
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/     
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/     
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG     
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA     
                      -LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA     
                      -LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL     
                      -WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL     
                      -PER*                                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/   
                      UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/   
                      UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL     
                      -WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL     
                      -PER*                                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-CO-CLE/HOU-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/     
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-CO-CLE/HOU-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/     
                      UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG     
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL     
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC     
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL     
                      -PER*                                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL     
                      -ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/   
                      ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                     
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL     
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC     
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-UA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/   
                      HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                         
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-UA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/   
                      HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/     
                      NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*         
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/   
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA     
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                           
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA     
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN     
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-AS-SEA-AS-SFO/     
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*             
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-AS-SEA-AS-SFO/     
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/     
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX       
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX       
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG     
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/UA     
                      -SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                       
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/UA     
                      -SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/   
                      NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*         
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-UA-SFO-UA-LAX       
                      -NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-UA-SFO-UA-LAX       
                      -NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL     
                      -WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL     
                      -PER*                                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-US-LAS-US-SFO/     
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*             
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-US-LAS-US-SFO/     
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/     
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-US-PHX-US-SFO/     
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*             
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-US-PHX-US-SFO/     
                      LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/     
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC-YVR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/   
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/     
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                     
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/     
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                       
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-DEN-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                       
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-DEN-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-WAS-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                       
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-UA-WAS-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-US-LAS-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                       
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-US-LAS-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-US-PHL-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                       
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YTO-US-PHL-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR     
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC     
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL       
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/UA-SFO/HNL       
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC     
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA     
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                           
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA     
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN     
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX       
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-PER*                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA-LAX       
                      -NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG     
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/     
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-PER*                     
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-NZ/AC/AC-YVR-NZ/AC/UA/AC/     
                      UA-SFO/HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG       
                      -BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*   
            FROM-TO  YOW-AC-YYC-US-LAS-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/     
                      CO/HA-HNL-AKL-PER*                       
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL       
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL       
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC     
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL       
                      -PER*                                   
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-LAX-NAN/PPT/RAR-AKL       
                      -ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/   
                      ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*                     
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL       
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-NZ/UA/CO/HA-HNL       
                      -AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC     
                      -DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-UA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA     
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                           
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-UA-LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA     
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN     
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-AKL-PER*               
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/       
                      NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN-CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG     
                      -AKL-PER*                               
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA       
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                           
            FROM-TO  YOW-CO-EWR-CO-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA       
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN     
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-UA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA       
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                           
            FROM-TO  YOW-UA-CHI-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA       
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN     
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-UA-WAS-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA       
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                           
            FROM-TO  YOW-UA-WAS-UA-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA       
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN     
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*           
            FROM-TO  YOW-US-PHL-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA       
                      -HNL-AKL-PER*                           
            FROM-TO  YOW-US-PHL-US-SFO/LAX-NZ/UA/CO/HA       
                      -HNL-AKL-ROT/TUO/NPE/NPL-WLG-BHE/NSN     
                      -CHC-DUD/ZQN-CHC/WLG-AKL-PER*           


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 18124674)
2. I may want to go on a Star Alliance RTW or Circle Pacific ticket between YOW and Perth Australia. How do I find out the fares, and fare rules and routing rules for both types of tickets?

For RTW and other special Circle Fares, please use the [Sabre: DotRes] Method:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:

YOW  Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
RTW  01 Jun 2012 | 15 Jun 2012 | Economy

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AC        YOW    YOW      4289  USD                      YRWSPCL
AC        YOW    YOW      6231  USD                      YRWSTAR1
AC        YOW    YOW      7256  USD                      YRWSTAR2
AC        YOW    YOW      8374  USD                      YRWSTAR3

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Sabre: Fares/DotRes/US]
Code:

YOW  Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
RTW  01 Jun 2012 | 15 Jun 2012 | Economy

Carrier    From    To    Fare      Cur                      Fare Basis/TD
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
BA        YOW    YOW      3504  USD                      LCIRAT17
BA        YOW    YOW      3703  USD                      LONE3
BA        YOW    YOW      3803  USD                      LGLOB26
BA        YOW    YOW      3804  USD                      LCIR22
BA        YOW    YOW      4004  USD                      LCIRAT21
BA        YOW    YOW      4505  USD                      LCIR26
BA        YOW    YOW      4605  USD                      LCIRAT25
BA        YOW    YOW      5006  USD                      LCIR29SA
BA        YOW    YOW      5305  USD                      LONE4
BA        YOW    YOW      5405  USD                      LGLOB29
BA        YOW    YOW      6106  USD                      LONE5
BA        YOW    YOW      6206  USD                      LGLOB34
BA        YOW    YOW      7107  USD                      LONE6
BA        YOW    YOW      7207  USD                      LGLOB39


KVS Mar 6, 2012 6:31 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 18124481)
PS-Is there any way that the KVS tool can be used to look specifically for codeshared fligths - let us say UA on AC - anywhere in the world?

Current Engines can only exclude Codeshare flights -- there is no way to specifically force them.

The YYZ-YOW UA/AC Codeshare currently has a schedule exception for Mon 30 Apr:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Amadeus: Timetable/NL-BCDF]
Code:

PHX  Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl AZ US [KPHX]
YOW  Ottawa Intl ON CA [CYOW]
MON  30 Apr 2012 - 07 May 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Frequency | Dur'n | Dep T | Arr T | Effect | Ending | Exceptions
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ----------------------------------------------------------------
UA/AC      8474    PHX  10:40    YYZ  17:42    321  0  12345-7    08:30      4      1  01 May  31 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/AC  8290    YYZ  21:10    YOW  22:10    E90  0                          1      -

UA        682    PHX  07:00    ORD  12:12    752  0  1------    06:13      2      1  30 Apr  30 Apr  Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  5829    ORD  13:22    YOW  16:13    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      2885    PHX  12:20    ORD  17:38    320  0  ------7    06:20      4      2  06 May  20 May
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD  18:48    YOW  21:40    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      2885    PHX  12:20    ORD  17:38    320  0  12345--    06:25      4      2  01 May  18 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD  18:53    YOW  21:45    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        656    PHX  06:39    ORD  12:00    319  0  12345--    06:30      2      1  01 May  16 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD  13:19    YOW  16:09    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      2885    PHX  12:20    ORD  17:38    320  0  1------    06:31      4      2  30 Apr  30 Apr  Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  5824    ORD  18:59    YOW  21:51    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        656    PHX  06:30    ORD  11:56    320  0  ------7    06:41      2      1  06 May  13 May
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD  13:21    YOW  16:11    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        656    PHX  06:35    ORD  11:55    319  0  -----6-    06:45      2      1  05 May  12 May
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD  13:30    YOW  16:20    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        398    PHX  12:00    ORD  17:12    752  0  12345--    06:45      2      1  01 May  07 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD  18:53    YOW  21:45    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        624    PHX  11:51    ORD  17:11    320  0  ------7    06:49      2      1  06 May  20 May
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD  18:48    YOW  21:40    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        468    PHX  09:00    IAD  16:10    320  0  1------    06:53      2      -  30 Apr  30 Apr  Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  6040    IAD  17:20    YOW  18:53    ERJ  0                          -      -
UA        403    PHX  11:57    ORD  17:12    752  0  1------    06:54      2      1  30 Apr  30 Apr  Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  5824    ORD  18:59    YOW  21:51    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        124    PHX  09:00    IAD  16:11    738  0  ------7    06:57      2      -  06 May  20 May
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD  17:24    YOW  18:57    ERJ  0                          -      -
UA        124    PHX  08:59    IAD  16:10    738  0  12345--    06:58      2      -  01 May  25 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD  17:24    YOW  18:57    ERJ  0                          -      -
UA        124    PHX  08:55    IAD  16:06    738  0  -----6-    07:06      2      -  05 May  26 May
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD  17:28    YOW  19:01    ERJ  0                          -      -
UA/US      2621    PHX  08:55    ORD  14:21    321  0  -----6-    07:16      4      2  05 May  19 May
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD  16:23    YOW  19:11    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      2621    PHX  09:10    ORD  14:36    321  0  1------    07:54      4      2  30 Apr  30 Apr  Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  5826    ORD  17:15    YOW  20:04    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        1635    PHX  23:21    EWR  06:50 +1  739  0  12345-7    08:00      2      C  01 May  25 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  4516    EWR  08:50 +1  YOW  10:21 +1  ERJ  0                          A      -
UA        1237    PHX  05:00    IAH  09:34    738  0  1--45--    08:09      2      C  03 May  14 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA    1646    IAH  10:04    ORD  12:39    738  0                          C      1
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD  13:19    YOW  16:09    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        1491    PHX  05:00    IAH  09:34    738  0  -23----    08:09      2      C  01 May  16 May
 -> UA    1646    IAH  10:04    ORD  12:39    738  0                          C      1
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD  13:19    YOW  16:09    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      2621    PHX  09:10    ORD  14:36    321  0  -23----    08:09      4      2  01 May  02 May
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD  17:27    YOW  20:19    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        495    PHX  05:00    IAH  09:33    320  0  ------7    08:11      2      C  06 May  13 May
 -> UA    1646    IAH  10:03    ORD  12:38    738  0                          C      1
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD  13:21    YOW  16:11    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        1062    PHX  07:44    DEN  10:26    738  0  -23----    08:13      2      -  01 May  16 May
 -> UA    936    DEN  11:15    IAD  16:38    752  0                          -      -
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD  17:24    YOW  18:57    ERJ  0                          -      -
UA        1062    PHX  07:43    DEN  10:25    738  0  1--45--    08:14      2      -  03 May  18 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA    936    DEN  11:15    IAD  16:38    752  0                          -      -
 -> UA/##  6119    IAD  17:24    YOW  18:57    ERJ  0                          -      -
UA/US      3054    PHX  08:45    DEN  11:31    320  0  1------    08:19      4      -  30 Apr  30 Apr  Mon 07 May
 -> UA    908    DEN  12:40    ORD  16:00    752  0                          -      1
 -> UA/##  5826    ORD  17:15    YOW  20:04    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      3085    PHX  08:45    MSP  13:46    320  0  1------    08:19      4      1  30 Apr  30 Apr  Mon 07 May
 -> UA    622    MSP  14:40    ORD  16:04    320  0                          1      1
 -> UA/##  5826    ORD  17:15    YOW  20:04    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        1237    PHX  05:00    IAH  09:34    738  0  -----6-    08:20      2      C  05 May  12 May
 -> UA    1646    IAH  10:09    ORD  12:44    738  0                          C      1
 -> UA/##  6041    ORD  13:30    YOW  16:20    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA        1078    PHX  23:01    EWR  06:30 +1  73G  0  1------    08:20      2      C  30 Apr  30 Apr  Mon 07 May
 -> UA/##  4516    EWR  08:50 +1  YOW  10:21 +1  ERJ  0                          A      -
UA/US      2621    PHX  08:55    ORD  14:21    321  0  1--45-7    08:24      4      2  03 May  21 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD  17:27    YOW  20:19    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      3088    PHX  07:45    ORD  13:03    320  0  -----6-    08:26      4      2  05 May  19 May
 -> UA/##  6040    ORD  16:23    YOW  19:11    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      3085    PHX  08:45    MSP  13:46    320  0  ---4---    08:34      4      1  03 May  03 May
 -> UA    622    MSP  14:46    ORD  16:10    320  0                          1      1
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD  17:27    YOW  20:19    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      3085    PHX  08:45    MSP  13:46    320  0  1---5--    08:34      4      1  04 May  11 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA    375    MSP  14:46    ORD  16:10    320  0                          1      1
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD  17:27    YOW  20:19    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      3085    PHX  08:45    MSP  13:46    320  0  ------7    08:34      4      1  06 May  06 May
 -> UA    622    MSP  14:47    ORD  16:10    319  0                          1      1
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD  17:27    YOW  20:19    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      3120    PHX  08:45    STL  13:38    319  0  1--45--    08:34      4      1  03 May  21 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA/##  5956    STL  14:18    ORD  15:29    ERJ  0                          1      2
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD  17:27    YOW  20:19    ERJ  0                          2      -
UA/US      3054    PHX  08:45    DEN  11:31    320  0  12345--    08:34      4      -  01 May  07 May  Mon 30 Apr
 -> UA    908    DEN  12:36    ORD  15:56    752  0                          -      1
 -> UA/##  5970    ORD  17:27    YOW  20:19    ERJ  0                          2      -


GaryD Mar 6, 2012 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 18147846)
OneWorld rules strongly discourage such practices. Most likely, JL can manually open-up additional award seats for its own Elite members (as you indicated below).

...

If the special Award Inventory needs to be requested manually, then there is no way to avoid the phone call. While the KVS Tool can dial the JL number for you automatically via Skype (when using the main application) or via your Mobile device (when using the KVS Tool Mobile Companion), it is not currently capable of holding actual conversations with human Agents :) ...

On conferring with the Diamond member, I gather the message on the JL web site was referring to the Diamond benefit, of the option of using 2x the miles when ordinary seats are not available. Not, explicitly, a reference to additional award seats, at the regular redemption level.

If they do that (or just upgrade without deducting points or miles), apparently they don't admit it publicly. :(

Sorry for the confusion, thanks for the quick and detailed response.

FlyerGoldII Mar 8, 2012 8:40 pm

Q/B UP fares - and Aeroplan COS Bonus?
 
Thanks, for the above response.


As per my thread, the question is whether these ...UP fares will give the 50% COS bonus with Aeroplan.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...ue-ticket.html




Do the fares rules (in the KVS tool) state anywhere that the fares will book into an "A" booking class, thereby eligible for 50% COS bonus?


[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.4/Diamond - Sabre: YOW-HNL/UA/QHT50UPN/3062 CAD]
Code:

[Rule Application & Other Conditions]
NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
NORMAL FARES
 CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
  THE NUMBER OF SEATS WHICH CARRIER SHALL MAKE
  AVAILABLE AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE ON
  ANY GIVEN FLIGHT WILL BE DETERMINED BY CARRIERS
  BEST JUDGEMENT AS TO THE ANTICIPATED TOTAL
  PASSENGER LOAD FACTOR ON EACH FLIGHT AND FARES
  WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE MADE AVAILABLE ON ALL
  FLIGHTS.
 RULES NOT APPLICABLE
  6030/ 6040 - TOUR CONDUCTORS
  6055/ 6065/ 6070 - PASSENGER SALES AGENTS.

[Day/Time]
PERMITTED FRI/SAT/SUN.

[Seasonality]
TO HAWAII -
  PERMITTED 26OCT11 THROUGH 09DEC11 OR 02JAN12 THROUGH
  10FEB12 OR 19MAR12 THROUGH 04APR12 OR 10APR12
  THROUGH 22JUN12 OR 09JUL12 THROUGH 12DEC12 FOR EACH
  TRIP. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE.
FROM HAWAII -
  PERMITTED 26OCT11 THROUGH 27DEC11 OR 16JAN12 THROUGH
  17FEB12 OR 26MAR12 THROUGH 05APR12 OR 10APR12
  THROUGH 29JUN12 OR 16JUL12 THROUGH 27DEC12 FOR EACH
  TRIP. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE.

[Flight Application]
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        UA FLIGHT 205
        UA FLIGHT 208
        UA FLIGHT 211
        UA FLIGHT 226
        UA FLIGHT 228
        UA FLIGHT 233
        UA FLIGHT 239
        UA FLIGHT 249
        UA FLIGHT 255
        UA FLIGHT 257
        UA FLIGHT 262
        UA FLIGHT 285
        UA FLIGHT 286
        UA FLIGHTS 302 THROUGH 304
        UA FLIGHT 314
        UA FLIGHTS 320 THROUGH 322
        UA FLIGHT 326
        UA FLIGHT 334
        UA FLIGHTS 337 THROUGH 338
        UA FLIGHT 353
        UA FLIGHT 362
        UA FLIGHT 364
        UA FLIGHTS 367 THROUGH 368
        UA FLIGHT 371
        UA FLIGHT 379
        UA FLIGHTS 388 THROUGH 389
        UA FLIGHTS 397 THROUGH 398
        UA FLIGHTS 416 THROUGH 417
        UA FLIGHT 436
        UA FLIGHT 443
        UA FLIGHTS 448 THROUGH 450
        UA FLIGHT 456
        UA FLIGHT 460
        UA FLIGHTS 465 THROUGH 466
        UA FLIGHT 469
        UA FLIGHT 472
        UA FLIGHT 482
        UA FLIGHT 485
        UA FLIGHT 522
        UA FLIGHT 531.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        UA FLIGHTS 534 THROUGH 535
        UA FLIGHT 557
        UA FLIGHT 559
        UA FLIGHT 578
        UA FLIGHTS 590 THROUGH 592
        UA FLIGHT 595
        UA FLIGHTS 597 THROUGH 598
        UA FLIGHT 602
        UA FLIGHT 619
        UA FLIGHT 621
        UA FLIGHT 642
        UA FLIGHT 669
        UA FLIGHT 670
        UA FLIGHT 674
        UA FLIGHT 679
        UA FLIGHTS 701 THROUGH 703
        UA FLIGHT 722
        UA FLIGHT 725
        UA FLIGHT 728
        UA FLIGHT 731
        UA FLIGHT 739
        UA FLIGHTS 747 THROUGH 748
        UA FLIGHT 754
        UA FLIGHT 757
        UA FLIGHT 758
        UA FLIGHT 760
        UA FLIGHT 763.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        UA FLIGHTS 771 THROUGH 772
        UA FLIGHT 778
        UA FLIGHT 794
        UA FLIGHT 797
        UA FLIGHT 808
        UA FLIGHT 815
        UA FLIGHT 824
        UA FLIGHT 841
        UA FLIGHT 863
        UA FLIGHT 867
        UA FLIGHT 870
        UA FLIGHTS 890 THROUGH 891
        UA FLIGHTS 905 THROUGH 906
        UA FLIGHT 907
        UA FLIGHT 910
        UA FLIGHT 912
        UA FLIGHT 920
        UA FLIGHT 927
        UA FLIGHT 949.
AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
    ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
        UA FLIGHT 950
        UA FLIGHTS 964 THROUGH 965
        UA FLIGHT 967
        UA FLIGHT 972
        UA FLIGHT 994
        UA FLIGHT 996.

[Advance Reservations/Ticketing]
CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT
LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      THE TKTG AFTER RES REQ WILL NOT APPL WHEN FARES
      ARE COMB W/OTHER FARES TO CONST THRU INTL TRANS
      T/F PTS OUTSIDE THE US/CA/MX/BM/BS/WEST INDIES
      PROVIDED AT LEAST ONE INTERNATIONAL SEGMENT
      OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA IS VIA UA.
      THE FLIGHT NUMBER AND DATE MUST BE INDICATED ON
      THE TICKET.

[Stopovers]
2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN EACH
DIRECTION AT USD 55.81 EACH IN CHI/DEN/LAX/SFO/HOU/EWR/
CLE
PER PASSENGER. INFANT IS FREE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      STOPOVER POINT/S/ MUST BE ON THE PERMITTED
      ROUTING.
AND - 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN
      EACH DIRECTION AT USD 74.42 EACH IN HNL/OGG/KOA/
      LIH/ITO
      PER PASSENGER. INFANT IS FREE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      STOPOVER POINT/S/ MUST BE ON THE PERMITTED
      ROUTING.

[Transfers]
4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS ARE NOT PERMITTED.

[Surcharges]
RULE DATA INCOMPLETE

[Travel Restrictions]
VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON EACH TRIP ON/AFTER
24OCT11.

[Sales Restrictions]
TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY MAIL/PTA. TICKETS MAY NOT BE
ISSUED BY SELF TICKETS/WRITE-YOUR-OWN TICKETS. PTA
CONSTITUTES TICKETING.

[Penalties]
CANCELLATIONS

  TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      ---
      A.  UA CUSTOMER COMMITMENT -
      CUSTOMERS WHO PURCHASE A TICKET FOR TRAVEL ON
      UNITED VIA UA CHANNELS MAY CANCEL THEIR
      RESERVATION/REFUND TICKET WITHOUT PENALTY
      WITHIN 24HRS OF PURCHASE.
      ---
      B.  WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET -
      A WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET MAY BE APPLIED TOWARD THE
      PURCHASE OF A DOMESTIC OR INTERNATIONAL FARE/
      TICKET PRICED AT -CURRENT- FARE LEVELS FOLLOWING
      ALL FARE RULE PROVISIONS.
      --
      ORIGINAL RESERVATIONS OF WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET MUST
      BE CANCELLED PRIOR TO ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT
      OR TICKET HAS NO VALUE.
      --
      WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET MUST EXCHANGED NO LATER THAN
      ONE YEAR /365 DAYS/ OF THE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE
      DATE OR TICKET HAS NO VALUE.
      --
      THE NON REFUNDABLE VALUE OF THE UNUSED TICKET
      MUST BE CARRIED FORWARD IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX OF
      THE NEW TICKET AND DESIGNATED AS NON REFUNDABLE.
      --
      A USD 150.00 / CAD 150.00  SERVICE FEE WILL
      BE ASSESSED FOR TRANSACTION.  ANY RESIDUAL VALUE
      WILL BE RETURNED IN THE FORM OF A UA NON
      REFUNDABLE VOUCHER / TRAVEL AGENCY MAY ISSUE A
      NON REFUNDABLE MCO VALID ON UA.
      --
      PASSENGERS TRAVELING ON COMPANION FARES MUST
      PRESENT ALL TICKETS AT THE SAME TIME.
      ---
      C.  WHEN A LOWER FARE IS INTRODUCED OR AVAILABLE
          IN THE MARKET -
      WHEN A LOWER FARE IS INTRODUCED INTO THE MARKET OR
      A CURRENT FARE IS REDUCED OR BECOMES AVAILABLE /
      THE TICKETED PASSENGER MAY QUALIFY FOR THE ABOVE.
      ALL PROVISIONS OF THE LOWER FARE MUST BE MET
      BEFORE DEPARTURE.
      NO CHANGE TO ORIGIN/DESTINATION/DATES/FLIGHTS.
      ONLY BOOKING CODE CHANGE IS PERMITTED.
      --
      A SERVICE FEE EQUAL TO THE CHANGE FEE WILL
      BE ASSESSED.  RESIDUAL VALUE /IF ANY/ WILL BE
      RETURNED IN THE FORM OF A NON REFUNDABLE VOUCHER
      VALID ON UNITED AIRLINES.  AGENCY MAY ISSUE NON
      REFUNDABLE MCO VALID ON UA.
      ---
      D.  EMERGENCY PROVISION -
      TICKET MAY BE USED TOWARD THE PURCHASE OF ANOTHER
      TICKET IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY OF PASSENGER/
      IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR TRAVELING COMPANION.
      DOCUMENTATION REQUIRED CHECK WITH CARRIER.
      ---
      E.  TICKET VALIDITY AND CANCELLATION -
      TICKET EXPIRES 366 DAYS FROM TICKET ISSUANCE
      DATE.  AN EXPIRED TICKET HAS NO VALUE AND MAY NOT
      BE USED OR EXCHANGED.
      THE NON REFUNDABLE CANCELLATION PENALTY IS EQUAL
      TO 100 PCT FARE/TAXES/FEES.
      ---


      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      ---
      A. IF MULTIPLE CHANGES ARE MADE AT THE SAME TIME
          ONLY ONE SERVICE CHARGE WILL APPLY PER TICKET.
          IF FARES WITH DIFFERENT SERVICE CHARGES ARE
          COMBINED ON THE SAME TICKET THE HIGHEST FEE
          OF ALL THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS WILL
          APPLY TO THE JOURNEY.
          IF CHANGED FARE COMPONENT HAS NO SERVICE
          CHARGE AND THAT IS THE ONLY FARE COMPONENT
          CHANGED THERE WOULD BE NO SERVICE CHARGE.
      ---
      B. FARES COMBINED END-ON-END ON THE SAME TICKET
          // FARES THAT COULD STAND ALONE IF ISSUED ON
          A SEPARATE TICKET//  MAY BE CHANGED SEPARATELY
          ACCORDING TO ASSOCIATED FARE RULE.
          IF CHANGED FARE COMPONENT HAS NO SERVICE
          CHARGE AND THAT IS THE ONLY FARE COMPONENT
          CHANGED THERE WOULD BE NO SERVICE CHARGE.
      ---

CHANGES

  BEFORE DEPARTURE
    CHARGE USD 150.00/CAD 150.00 FOR REISSUE/UNTICKTED
PTA.
    WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      --
      BEFORE DEPARTURE CHANGE OPTIONS -
      --
      BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET
        VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVOSIONS
        MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF UA INTERNATIONAL
        FARES.  CHARGE USD 150.00/CAD 150.00 OR HIGHEST
        FEE OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WITHIN JOURNEY
        .
      --
      TAG 7 - LOWER AIR FARE-WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET
      --
          WHEN A LOWER FARE IS INTRODUCED INTO THE
          MARKET / OR TICKETED FARE IS REDUCED
          REPRICE USING --CURRENT FARES--
          ONLY BOOKING CODE CHANGES PERMITTED.
      --
        PROVIDED ALL THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AND
        FARE RULES ARE MET.
      1.  NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAK POINTS
      2.  CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
      3.  SAME TRAVEL DATES / FLIGHTS
      4.  UA FARES ARE USED
      5.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RESERVATIONS REQUIREMENTS
      6.  ADVANCE RESERVATION IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE
          DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      --
        WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE --REFUND-
        RESIDUAL THEN ADD COLLECT -
        REFUND VIA VOUCHER.
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS
      --
      TAG 5 - QUALIFYING CURRENT DAY FARE
                  WHOLLY UNUSED TICKET
      --
        REPRICE USING --CURRENT FARES-- IN EFFECT TODAY
      --
        PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
      --
        1.  UA / CO FARES ARE USED
        2.  FARE BREAK POINT CHANGES ARE PERMITTED
        3.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RESERVATION REQUIREMENTS
        4.  ADVANCE RESERVATION/TKG IS MEASURED FROM
            REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT.
      --
        WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE -REFUND-
        RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
        REFUND VIA VOUCHER.
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
      NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
      --
      TAG 1 - DOWNLINE DATE / FLIGHT CHANGE
                SAME BOOKING CODE /  KEEP THE FARE
      --
        REPRICE USING CURRENTLY TICKETED/HISTORICAL FARE
      --
      PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET -
      --
        1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS/1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
            FARE BREAKS
        2.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
        3.  SAME UA / CO FARE USED
        4.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        5.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RES/TICKETING FROM ORIGINAL
            TICKET DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      --WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE
      RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
      NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
      --
      TAG 2 - DOWNLINE CHANGES WHEN ORIGINAL
        BOOKING CODE NOT AVAILABLE
      --
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET
        WAS ORIGINALY ISSUED
      PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET -
        1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS/1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
            FARE BREAKS
        2.  SAME FARE ON 1ST FARE COMPONENT IS USED
        3.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
        4.  UA/CO FARES GOVERNED BY SAME RULE ARE USED
        5.  NEW FARE IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
            FARE
        6.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        7.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RES/TICKETING FROM ORIGINAL
            TICKET DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      --
      OR -
      --
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET WAS
        ORIGINALLY ISSUED
      PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET -
        1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS/1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
            FARE BREAKS
        2.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
        3.  UA / CO  FARES ARE USED
        4.  NEW TICKET HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN
            PREVIOUS TICKET
        5.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        6.  VALIDATE ADVANCE RES/TICKET DATE TO
            DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      --WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE
      RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
      NEW ENDORSEMENTS
      --
      TAG 10 - FARE BREAKS PERMITTED
      --
        A.  CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE FARE IN
            EFFECT TODAY - CURRENT-DAY TARIFF
        B.  ALL OTHER FARE COMPONENTS USE TICKETED
            FARE.
      PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
      --
        1.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
        2.  UA / CO FARES ARE USED
        3.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        4.  ADVANCE RESERVATION/TICKETING IS MEASURED
            FROM NEW TICKET ISSUE DATE FOR CURRENT-DAY
            TARIFF
        5.  FOR TICKETED FARE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE
            DATE APPLIES
      --
        WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE --REFUND--
        RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
        REFUND VIA VOUCHER.
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
      NEW ENDORSEMENTS

AFTER DEPARTURE
    CHARGE USD 150.00/CAD 150.00 FOR REISSUE.
    WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE.
      NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
      --
        AFTER DEPARTURE CHANGE OPTIONS -
      --
        AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET
        VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS
        MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF UA INTERNATIONAL
        FARES.  CHARGE USD 150.00/CAD 150.00 OR HIGHEST
        FEE OF ANY CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WITHIN JOURNEY
      REPRICE USING CURRENLTY TICKETED / HISTORICAL
        FARES.
      --
      PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
      --
      -TAG 1 - DOWNLINE DATE / FLIGHT CHANGE
                  SAME BOOKING CODE / KEEP THE FARE
      --
        1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS/1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
            FARE BREAKS
        2.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
        3.  SAME UA / CO FARES ARE USED
        4.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE
            MET EXCEPT ADVANCE RESERVATION/TICKETING
      --WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE
      RESIDUAL THEN ADD COLLECT.
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
      NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
      -TAG 2 - DOWNLINE CHANGES WHEN ORIGINAL
                  BOOKING CODE IS NOT AVAILABLE
      --
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET
        WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED.
      --
      PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
      --
        1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS / 1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
            FARE BREAKS
        2.  SAME FARE ON 1ST FARE COMPONENT IS USED
        3.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
        4.  UA / CO FARES GOVERNED BY SAME RULE ARE USED
        5.  NEW FARE IS EQUAL OR HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
            FARE
        6.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        7.  ADVANCE RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TICKET
            DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      --
      OR -
      --
        REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TICKET
        WAS ORIGINALLY ISSUED.
      --
      PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET
      --
        1.  NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS / 1ST FLIGHT COUPON /
            FARE BREAKS
        2.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
        3.  UA / CO FARES ARE USED
        4.  NEW TICKET HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE
            THAN PREVIOUS TICKET
        5.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        6.  ADVANCE RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TICKET
            DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
      --WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE
      RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND
      NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
      -TAG 9/10 -WHEN FARE BREAK POINTS CHANGE
      --
        REPRICE AS FOLLOWS -
      --
        A.  FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USE FARES IN
            EFFECT WHEN TICKET WAS ISSUED
        B.  CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE CURRENT
            FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
        C.  UNCHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE CURRENTLY
            TICKETED FARES
      --
        1.  ALL TRAVEL REMAINS DOMESTIC
        2.  UA / CO FARES ARE USED
        3.  ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
        4.  ADVANCE RESERVATIONS IS MEASURED FROM NEW
            TICKET ISSUE DATE IF CURRENT FARES
        5.  FROM PREVIOUS TICKET ISSUE DATE IF
            HISTORICAL FARES TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING
            UNIT
      --
        WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE - REFUND -
        RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT /
        REFUND VIA VOUCHER.
      ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW HIGHER NON-REF AMT
      AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS

[Combinations]
 
 END-ON-END PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS.
 SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. TRAVEL
 MUST BE VIA POINT OF COMBINATION.
OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT
CIRCLE TRIPS
  FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
  WITH ANY FARE FOR ANY CARRIER IN ANY RULE AND
  TARIFF.
  -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT
  CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS.
  OPEN JAWS/2-COMPONENT CIRCLE TRIPS/MULTI-COMPONENT
  CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -
    WHEN COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS WITH
    A ROUND TRIP FARE TO FORM ROUND/CIRCLE/OPEN
    JAW TRIPS--THE MOST RESTRICTIVE PROVISIONS
    APPLY. THESE INCLUDE MIN/MAX STAY-
    RESERVATIONS/TICKET REQUIREMENTS -STOPOVER
    PROVISIONS-CANCEL/CHANGE PENALTIES/SERVICE
    CHARGES OR COMBINATION PROVISIONS.
NOTE - THE CITY PAIRS BELOW ARE CONSIDERED THE SAME
      POINT -
      BUR-LAX  BUR-ONT  BUR-SNA  BWI-WAS  EWR-HPN
      EWR-HVN  EWR-ISP  EWR-NYC  FLL-MIA  FLL-PBI
      HVN-HPN  HVN-ISP  HVN-NYC  ISP-HPN  ISP-NYC
      LAX-ONT  LAX-SNA  MIA-PBI  NYC-HPN  OAK-SFO
      OAK-SJC  ONT-SNA  SFO-SJC

[Ticket Endorsement]
THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
- NONREF/0VALUAFTDPT/CHGFEE - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

[Children Discounts]
CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT
  OF THE FARE.
  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO
      CHARGE.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 100
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
OR - JNN/CONTRACT BULK CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 100
      PERCENT OF THE FARE.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY CONTRACT BULK ADULT PSGR 12 OR
        OLDER.
OR - 1ST JNF/CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 2 - NO
      CHARGE.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY CONTRACT BULK ADULT PSGR 18 OR
        OLDER.
OR - JNS/CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2
      - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
      MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
        COMPARTMENT BY CONTRACT BULK ADULT PSGR 18 OR
        OLDER.

[Voluntary Refunds]
CHECK CATEGORY 16 OR CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

[Eligibility]
NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Minimum Stay]
NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Maximum Stay]
NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

[Blackout Dates]
NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

[Accompanied Travel]
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.

[HIP/Mileage Exceptions]
NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.

[Tour Conductor Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.

[Agent Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.

[All Other Discounts]
NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.

[Miscellaneous Provisions]
NO PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Fare By Rule]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[Groups]
NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Tours]
NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Visit Another Country]
NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Deposits]
NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.

[Voluntary Changes]
ENTER RD*31 OR RD�LINE NUM�*31 FOR VOLUNTARY CHGS.

[Negotiated Fares]
NOT APPLICABLE.

[International Construction]
NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE


KVS Mar 9, 2012 9:46 am


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 18164239)
Thanks, for the above response.

As per my thread, the question is whether these ...UP fares will give the 50% COS bonus with Aeroplan.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...ue-ticket.html

Do the fares rules (in the KVS tool) state anywhere that the fares will book into an "A" booking class, thereby eligible for 50% COS bonus?

Yes, they will -- this can be verified by retrieving the Routing Rules for that Fare:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Routing Rules: YOW-HNL/UA/QHT50UPN/3054 USD]
Code:

YOWHNL-UA 01APR12      *RULE DISPLAY*    TARIFF 0013 RULE 2015
  -FARE BASIS        CAD      TAX      TOTAL    PTC  FT   
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00    1514.00  ADT  EX   
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00    1514.00  CNN  EX   
QHT50UPN              0.00      0.00        0.00  INF  EX   
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00    1514.00  INS  EX   
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00    1514.00  JNN  EX   
QHT50UPN              0.00      0.00        0.00  JNF  EX   
QHT50UPN            1514.00      0.00    1514.00  JNS  EX   

BOOKING CODES        A                                         

PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG                                           
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - SIP - INSTANT PURCHASE
---------------------------------------------------------------

ROUTING  308 FROM-TO  YOW-DEN/YTO/EWR/WAS/CLE/CHI-LAX/SFO     
                      -HNL*


GJS - yow Mar 9, 2012 11:33 am

Update reminder not working
 
Since the UA/CO merger, the ITA: Upgrades-Awards/UA method was not working. When used with the old 11 digit MileagePlus Number, the error message indicates "the Method/Function is currently unavailable or may require a newer version of the KVS Tool."

However, UA has issued new MileagePlus Numbers, which are 8 characters long. When the new number is entered, the error message indicates an 11 digit number should be entered.

Either way, this method was not working.
OK, so I checked the KVS site and found there is an update to V6.9.6.R1 which resolves the problem above. However, I was not alerted that an update was available. This is the first time that has ever happened.

KVS Mar 9, 2012 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by GJS - yow (Post 18167888)
Since the UA/CO merger, the ITA: Upgrades-Awards/UA method was not working. When used with the old 11 digit MileagePlus Number, the error message indicates "the Method/Function is currently unavailable or may require a newer version of the KVS Tool."

However, UA has issued new MileagePlus Numbers, which are 8 characters long. When the new number is entered, the error message indicates an 11 digit number should be entered.

Either way, this method was not working.
OK, so I checked the KVS site and found there is an update to V6.9.6.R1 which resolves the problem above. However, I was not alerted that an update was available. This is the first time that has ever happened.

We have not activated the global update alert (until today) as we wanted to make sure that the UA Engine is fully stable, following the migration.

However, as the "Method/Function is currently unavailable or may require a newer version of the KVS Tool" error message indicates, visiting the KVSTool.com Homepage will provide additional information about the Method's status, or the existence of an updated version (as was the case here).


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