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KVS May 11, 2009 1:56 am


Originally Posted by dechil (Post 11728143)
(the machine system code has changed but not the username : it was not the same for first beta that i have used yesterday for testing, ...and working))

I have just rushed your Replacement Registration Code ;)

dechil May 11, 2009 3:42 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 11728203)
I have just rushed your Replacement Registration Code ;)

Thanks, and that works again...:p

For routing rules I have this answer...

[Host Error] "SERVER I/O ERROR - TRY AGAIN LATER"
or this one
ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED

Yesterday it was the same, during several hours.

dechil May 11, 2009 4:00 am

Routing rules answers depends on the travel
For exemple,
TPE-EZE (with AF)
ROUTING 4500 FROM-TO TPE-HX/AE/KA/CX/CI-HKG-AMS-PAR-BUE*
FROM-TO TPE-HX/AE/KA/CX/CI-HKG-PAR-AMS-BUE*
FROM-TO TPE-HX/AE/KA/CX/CI-HKG-AMS-PAR-SAO/
RIO-AF/JJ/G3-BUE*
FROM-TO TPE-HX/AE/KA/CX/CI-HKG-PAR-AMS-SAO/
RIO-AF/JJ/G3-BUE*

But for TPE-HNL (with AF)
ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED

Of course on other compagnies, like CO, the routing is given by the pacific way (the shortest) but not interesting for MR addicted ;)

I read on another post (don't remember where) that routing is either discribed as above or indicated by MPM...
What about this?

dingo May 11, 2009 6:25 am

Thanks for the help KVS and others.

I obviously need to do some more self-training. I didn't know about the MAX option and still don't know what it means actually. I was actually trying to book a business class ticket using routing of either CLT-MUC-FCO on LH (first choice) or CLT-PHL-FCO on US (second choice).

I am a CP with US so I do see some other seat options available on US apparently.

When I use the US site, and use my preferred dates of 10/16 to 10/23 I see:

Standard coach awards available (50k each way, 100k total)
Standard envoy awards availble (80k each way, 160k total)

So I assume (and will read up to find out) that the utility does not show the standard awards since when I use it I get results that show no availability in business or coach on US?

But I do see availability in both coach and business on LH so that confuses me since I think both awards (US and LH) are the same mileage requirements.

[KVS Availability Tool 3.4.0/Platinum - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA]

CLT Charlotte Douglas NC US [KCLT]
FCO Rome Fiumicino IT [LIRF]
FRI 16 Oct 2009 / 1 Seat

Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -------------
US 718 CLT 14:35 FCO 08:45 +1 CHG FS/ CS- YS-


Sorry for the likely brain dead questions. I just need to research more than the help file I think.

sbm12 May 11, 2009 6:31 am


Originally Posted by dingo (Post 11728693)
When I use the US site, and use my preferred dates of 10/16 to 10/23 I see:

Standard coach awards available (50k each way, 100k total)
Standard envoy awards availble (80k each way, 160k total)

So I assume (and will read up to find out) that the utility does not show the standard awards since when I use it I get results that show no availability in business or coach on US?

Standard rewards are generally always available - they are close to last seat availability - so searching for them isn't particularly useful in the tool. The benefit that the tool offers is the ability to find the saver reward seats.

For SkyTeam it does show Standard rewards but the ANA tool doesn't show them for *A so the KVS tool won't either.

KVS May 11, 2009 3:43 pm


Originally Posted by dechil (Post 11728385)
Routing rules answers depends on the travel
For exemple,
TPE-EZE (with AF)
ROUTING 4500 FROM-TO TPE-HX/AE/KA/CX/CI-HKG-AMS-PAR-BUE*
FROM-TO TPE-HX/AE/KA/CX/CI-HKG-PAR-AMS-BUE*
FROM-TO TPE-HX/AE/KA/CX/CI-HKG-AMS-PAR-SAO/
RIO-AF/JJ/G3-BUE*
FROM-TO TPE-HX/AE/KA/CX/CI-HKG-PAR-AMS-SAO/
RIO-AF/JJ/G3-BUE*

But for TPE-HNL (with AF)
ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED

Of course on other compagnies, like CO, the routing is given by the pacific way (the shortest) but not interesting for MR addicted ;)

I read on another post (don't remember where) that routing is either discribed as above or indicated by MPM...
What about this?

So what is your question, exactly? :)

KVS May 11, 2009 4:06 pm

Standard Vs Additional
 

Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 11728716)
Standard rewards are generally always available - they are close to last seat availability - so searching for them isn't particularly useful in the tool. The benefit that the tool offers is the ability to find the saver reward seats.

For SkyTeam it does show Standard rewards but the ANA tool doesn't show them for *A so the KVS tool won't either.

Correct, with the exception of the terminology. In KVS Tool:

  • Standard (xS) awards are capacity-restricted awards available within the entire Alliance. Some airlines (like US/UA) may like to refer to them using a marketing name "Saver".

  • Additional (xA) awards are unrestricted awards that require additional (e.g. double) mileage. Some airlines (like US/UA) may call them "Standard", again, for marketing purposes. These awards are only applicable within the same airline/FF programme or to certain partners (but not Alliance-wide).

KVS May 11, 2009 4:29 pm


Originally Posted by dingo (Post 11728693)
Thanks for the help KVS and others.

I obviously need to do some more self-training. I didn't know about the MAX option and still don't know what it means actually.

It makes the Tool request connecting flight options when non-stop flights exists.


Originally Posted by dingo (Post 11728693)
I was actually trying to book a business class ticket using routing of either CLT-MUC-FCO on LH (first choice) or CLT-PHL-FCO on US (second choice).

I am a CP with US so I do see some other seat options available on US apparently.

When I use the US site, and use my preferred dates of 10/16 to 10/23 I see:

Standard coach awards available (50k each way, 100k total)
Standard envoy awards availble (80k each way, 160k total)

So I assume (and will read up to find out) that the utility does not show the standard awards since when I use it I get results that show no availability in business or coach on US?

What you are seeing are "Additional" (as explained in the post above) awards (despite the fact that US website [misleadingly] calls them "Standard"), which require double mileage -- these are not Star Alliance awards.


Originally Posted by dingo (Post 11728693)
But I do see availability in both coach and business on LH so that confuses me since I think both awards (US and LH) are the same mileage requirements.

The LH awards that the KVS Tool is showing are Standard Star Alliance awards (e.g. those that would require 50K miles/roundtrip) AKA "Mileage Saver" in US DM lingo.

whughes3 May 12, 2009 9:25 pm

I am trying to use the new beta version to inquire on a QF flight using Sabre/GTC, and after quite a long delay I get an error message "Error requesting data: Transferring data : Waiting for response: [13] Type mismatch : Requesting [SW2] [158K]". This is occurring for some flights but not others.

KVS May 12, 2009 9:50 pm


Originally Posted by whughes3 (Post 11739489)
I am trying to use the new beta version to inquire on a QF flight using Sabre/GTC, and after quite a long delay I get an error message "Error requesting data: Transferring data : Waiting for response: [13] Type mismatch : Requesting [SW2] [158K]". This is occurring for some flights but not others.

Pls e-mail/PM From/To/Date input parameters in question...

dechil May 14, 2009 1:18 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 11731794)
So what is your question, exactly? :)

Why can't I find routing for TPE-HNL on AF flight? (TPE-CDG-LAX-HNL, for example)

KVS May 14, 2009 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by dechil (Post 11749142)
Why can't I find routing for TPE-HNL on AF flight? (TPE-CDG-LAX-HNL, for example)

Because it's a MPM fare and does not have a fixed routing.

TGV May 15, 2009 6:43 pm

A question for GDS Specialists.
 
I had to change a return ticket on CX from HKG to CDG, so I used the Tool to find availability for my class of travel, in order to give proper indications to the company’s TA which had to do the change.

It ended that there was not availability for my class on my desired day (Jun 5), but that there was plenty on both CX flights the previous day, which was also fine to me.

So I sent my query to the TA stating my preferences like this (I nevertheless mentioned the Jun 5 flight, in case changes in availability):
1) CX 261 on Jun 05 – But seems full
2) CX 263 on Jun 04
3) CX 261 on Jun 04.

The TA booked me on the CX 261 of Jun 04. When seeing that I went back to the Tool (how could we live without it?) where the availability was still there for CX 263 on Jun 04.

So I complained to the TA who gave this answer (well in French, I did the translation):

”When I checked the system, the flight (CX263) appeared as full.
As a reminder the reservation system Amadeus is an international system that enables many Travel Agencies to book tickets.

In addition it is possible that, when we did look at the availability, the airline had removed all the quotas to clean all active files on this flight. This is a regular procedure”.

What do you think of this explanation?

Is it true that airlines “clean” a flight? I can understand this notion, but am surprised it would be done on a flight that was far from full, more than 3 weeks before departure.

If they do so, would really the process “zero” out the flight temporarily?

For me analyzing the different files and removing those that should not be kept can only improve the availability, not reduce it, so I don’t see the need for blocking the flight completely. :confused:

KVS May 16, 2009 7:10 pm


Originally Posted by TGV (Post 11756638)
The TA booked me on the CX 261 of Jun 04. When seeing that I went back to the Tool (how could we live without it?) where the availability was still there for CX 263 on Jun 04.

So I complained to the TA who gave this answer (well in French, I did the translation):

”When I checked the system, the flight (CX263) appeared as full.
As a reminder the reservation system Amadeus is an international system that enables many Travel Agencies to book tickets.

In addition it is possible that, when we did look at the availability, the airline had removed all the quotas to clean all active files on this flight. This is a regular procedure”.

What do you think of this explanation?

Instead of trying to validate a [made-up :)] "explanation", could you ask your TA for a copy of their availability screen from Amadeus?

infoworks May 17, 2009 3:11 am

mostly beta version working OK for me. Would like to be able to select airline rather than all, but it's a minor issue really.


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