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KVS Feb 13, 2018 12:44 pm


Originally Posted by Stefan Sip (Post 29412027)
Can KVS search for UA R-space upgrade availability? If so, how do I search for it?

UA does not publish its R-Class Availability, so it is not searchable via any tool or service.

For a list of supported Award/Upgrade Booking Classes, please consult the UA section of the KVS Tool User Guide.

seks Feb 19, 2018 8:13 am

TG202 on Apr 6.

Been trying to look at the seat map in econ for the past 2 months but keep on coming up "Seat map is unavailable or closed". Anyone know why?

I was able to do it for a similar TG flight back in Oct.

wheresmybagba Feb 20, 2018 4:37 pm


Originally Posted by seks (Post 29433771)
TG202 on Apr 6.

Been trying to look at the seat map in econ for the past 2 months but keep on coming up "Seat map is unavailable or closed". Anyone know why?

I was able to do it for a similar TG flight back in Oct.

I would say its more unusual that you were able to do it previously.
TG seatmaps are typically unavailable for domestic flights...on HKT flights I would say the chance of aircraft swap is very high so they never allow management of seat allocation online etc.
So this isn't a KVS issue...it's a TG 'thing'.

Cyba Feb 21, 2018 6:52 am

There's a few quirks I've noticed on the KVS timetable search where some results aren't showing through. Any ideas on what's happening?

1. Some legal connections don't seem to show up. I've come across this a few times E.g. LAD-DXB-LIS on EK, DLA-ADD-FRA on ET, MAO-PTY-POS on CM etc.
Could it be that these are all connections that significantly exceed the direct routing mileage and are therefore edited out of the results? Even if the airlines themselves publish and sell fares on these markets?

2. Some airports seem to not be available at all. DSS for instance, the new airport in Dakar yields a "the requested origin is invalid" result even if most (all?) airlines have moved operations from DKR

vbroucek Feb 22, 2018 1:43 am


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 29441673)
There's a few quirks I've noticed on the KVS timetable search where some results aren't showing through. Any ideas on what's happening?

1. Some legal connections don't seem to show up. I've come across this a few times E.g. LAD-DXB-LIS on EK, DLA-ADD-FRA on ET, MAO-PTY-POS on CM etc.
Could it be that these are all connections that significantly exceed the direct routing mileage and are therefore edited out of the results? Even if the airlines themselves publish and sell fares on these markets?

2. Some airports seem to not be available at all. DSS for instance, the new airport in Dakar yields a "the requested origin is invalid" result even if most (all?) airlines have moved operations from DKR

All you get is what you pay for. If you pay thieves, all you get is stolen goods. And that's exactly what you're doing and getting from KVS... Honestly, if I was you, I would be happy that I was getting at least something :D Potentially, KVS could disappear completely any moment and you would not have any recourse... It has been well known for years that the company is fraudulent and uses fraudulent if not illegal methods. I cannot believe that people are still paying money to this scum...

Cyba Feb 22, 2018 3:13 am


Originally Posted by vbroucek (Post 29445180)
All you get is what you pay for. If you pay thieves, all you get is stolen goods. And that's exactly what you're doing and getting from KVS... Honestly, if I was you, I would be happy that I was getting at least something :D Potentially, KVS could disappear completely any moment and you would not have any recourse... It has been well known for years that the company is fraudulent and uses fraudulent if not illegal methods. I cannot believe that people are still paying money to this scum...

I am well aware of these discussions about KVS. But i fail to see how your reply is in any way relevant to the question asked. Or that my question warrants your response. Wherever the data may come from, these results that i'm reporting are somewhat bizarre so presumably the underlying databases are also faulty. Unless you're suggesting that KVS is modifying the results to mess with us?

But since you seem quite knowledgable on these matters, can you perhaps help me by pointing out alternative tools that allow easy timetable searches? Expertflyer, which I also subscribe to, for instance, is in my experience, highly inadequate... for timetable searches.

oliver2002 Feb 22, 2018 5:07 am


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 29441673)
1. Some legal connections don't seem to show up. I've come across this a few times E.g. LAD-DXB-LIS on EK, DLA-ADD-FRA on ET, MAO-PTY-POS on CM etc.
Could it be that these are all connections that significantly exceed the direct routing mileage and are therefore edited out of the results? Even if the airlines themselves publish and sell fares on these markets?

2. Some airports seem to not be available at all. DSS for instance, the new airport in Dakar yields a "the requested origin is invalid" result even if most (all?) airlines have moved operations from DKR

1. KVS doesn't edit the results you see what the tool manages to scrape. Proper GDS access shows your 3 examples without issues:
Code:

tnladlis/aek

TNLADLIS/AEK
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** LIS LISBON.PT                    22FEB18 01MAR18
 1  EK 794  247  LAD  DXB 3  1755    0435+1 0 CONNECT DXB    77L
    EK 191  247  DXB 3 LIS 1  0725+1  1200+1 0 22FEB18 01MAR18 77W 19:05
NO MORE FLIGHTS  22FEB18  TO  01MAR18

>

tndlafra/aet

TNDLAFRA/AET
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** FRA FRANKFURT.DE                  22FEB18 01MAR18
 1  ET 915  135  DLA  ADD    1440    2055  0 CONNECT ADD    788
    ET 706  135  ADD 2 FRA 1  2340    0510+1 0 23FEB18 28FEB18 350 14:30
 2  ET 915  7    DLA  ADD    1440    2055  0 CONNECT ADD    789
    ET 706  7    ADD 2 FRA 1  2340    0510+1 0 25FEB18 25FEB18 350 14:30
 3  ET 915  5    DLA  ADD    1440    2055  0 CONNECT ADD    788
  LH:ET1577  5    ADD 2 FRA 1  2250    0630+1 1 23FEB18 23FEB18 330 15:50
 4  ET 915  7    DLA  ADD    1440    2055  0 CONNECT ADD    789
  LH:ET1577  7    ADD 2 FRA 1  2250    0630+1 1 25FEB18 25FEB18 330 15:50
 5  ET 905  246  DLA  ADD    1235    2045  1 CONNECT ADD    788
    ET 706  246  ADD 2 FRA 1  2340    0510+1 0 15FEB18 22MAR18 350 16:35
 6  ET 905  246  DLA  ADD    1235    2045  1 CONNECT ADD    788
  LH:ET1577  246  ADD 2 FRA 1  2250    0630+1 1 22FEB18 01MAR18 330 17:55

>

tnmaopos/acm

TNMAOPOS/ACM                                                                   
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** POS PORT OF SPAIN.TT              22FEB18 01MAR18 
** HY HYATT REGENCY TRINIDAD*NEWLY RENOVATED*FREE WIFI                         
** NEW ROOMS*DINING*SPA*PUBLIC SPACES*>HAHYPOSHRTDDMMM-1                       
 1  CM 140  17  MAO  PTY    0339    0619  0 CONNECT PTY    E90           
    CM 366  17  PTY  POS    1226    1626  0 25FEB18 26FEB18 E90 12:47     
 2G3:CM3684  4    MAO  GRU 2  0412    0910  0 CONNECT GRU    738           
    CM 700  4    GRU 2 PTY    1200    1705  0 CONNECT PTY    738           
    CM 314  4    PTY  POS    1914    2323  0 01MAR18 01MAR18 E90 19:11     
 3G3:CM3684  24  MAO  GRU 2  0412    0910  0 CONNECT GRU    738           
    CM 700  24  GRU 2 PTY    1200    1658  0 CONNECT PTY    738           
    CM 314  24  PTY  POS    1914    2323  0 20FEB18 27FEB18 E90 19:11

2. That needs to be updated in the 'tool' tables....

vbroucek Feb 22, 2018 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 29445378)
I am well aware of these discussions about KVS. But i fail to see how your reply is in any way relevant to the question asked.

You have asked "Some legal connections don't seem to show up..." and I clearly answered - it is because KVS is stealing data where ever they manage at given time and they simply do not have source of such data. Simple and clear answer, sorry you do not like it.

And for the second question - again, thieves did not bother yet updating their tables... You are paying for lemon, get over it...

Cyba Feb 23, 2018 7:42 am


Originally Posted by vbroucek (Post 29447971)
You have asked "Some legal connections don't seem to show up..." and I clearly answered - it is because KVS is stealing data where ever they manage at given time and they simply do not have source of such data. Simple and clear answer, sorry you do not like it.

And for the second question - again, thieves did not bother yet updating their tables... You are paying for lemon, get over it...

Not quite the case and I don't understand what your beef is here. Using the same KVS timetable function I can see the timetables for all of the sectors that i listed but only as separate queries. So i can see MAO-PTY and PTY-POS. But not MAO-POS. This has nothing to do with "stealing" or anything. It seems to me that this is some system limitation which i'm trying to understand.

Did you have any suggestions for alternative timetable searches? I'm genuinely keen to find some that are both user-friendly and reliable.

vbroucek Feb 23, 2018 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 29449896)
Not quite the case and I don't understand what your beef is here. Using the same KVS timetable function I can see the timetables for all of the sectors that i listed but only as separate queries. So i can see MAO-PTY and PTY-POS. But not MAO-POS. This has nothing to do with "stealing" or anything. It seems to me that this is some system limitation which i'm trying to understand.


That supports what I (and also Oliver2002) said. KVS is scrapping tool, it does not build, calculate or edit anything. It displays whatever they manage to scape illegally from various engines. So they have source to scrape the sectors, but they don't have source to scrape full itinerary.


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 29449896)
Did you have any suggestions for alternative timetable searches? I'm genuinely keen to find some that are both user-friendly and reliable.

I am lucky enough to have access to proper GDS, so no, I do not have any advice in this regard,

Xyzzy Feb 23, 2018 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 29449896)
This has nothing to do with "stealing" or anything. It seems to me that this is some system limitation which i'm trying to understand.

This has EVERYTHING to do with stealing. The "limitation" is that the "vendor" you are paying, KVS, is stealing data and providing it -- without authorisation -- to you for fee. As others have demonstrated, with proper GDS access -- access that comes with a fee -- one can obtain what you are looking for. KVS does not seem to wish to pay for the data so KVS can n:ot provide it. Caveat emptor!

KVS Feb 25, 2018 1:16 am


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 29441673)
There's a few quirks I've noticed on the KVS timetable search where some results aren't showing through. Any ideas on what's happening?

1. Some legal connections don't seem to show up. I've come across this a few times E.g. LAD-DXB-LIS on EK, DLA-ADD-FRA on ET, MAO-PTY-POS on CM etc.
Could it be that these are all connections that significantly exceed the direct routing mileage and are therefore edited out of the results? Even if the airlines themselves publish and sell fares on these markets?

Indeed, these routings are not logical:
Specifically, LAD-DXB-LIS is almost 175% of the MPM.

Therefore, they would not be shown by the [Timetable] Engine automatically.

As always, you can force any routing of your choice by searching segment-by-segment.
Alternatively, the [Availability] Engine can be forced to construct such routings by specifying an airline preference:

https://i.imgur.com/ruUM0kll.png


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 29441673)
2. Some airports seem to not be available at all. DSS for instance, the new airport in Dakar yields a "the requested origin is invalid" result even if most (all?) airlines have moved operations from DKR

KVS Tool already supports the DSS airport (as of its opening date in Dec 2017), however it may take some time for the various external Engines to be updated. Please use the [Availability] function until the [Timetable] Engine gets updated.

As always, please contact us via the official support channels (website or e-mail) if you have questions or require assistance regarding the KVS Tool.

lewinr Feb 27, 2018 4:00 pm

accusations of theft and fraud are far-fetched and have no basis in law or reality... at worst (and this is open to some debate) KVS is just a tool which enables its users to violate the terms-of-service of some of the relevant websites.

let's please keep such hyped accusations and noise to a minimum before the mods need to come in and clean things up once again...

Xyzzy Feb 27, 2018 4:07 pm


Originally Posted by lewinr (Post 29466573)
accusations of theft and fraud are far-fetched and have no basis in law or reality... at worst (and this is open to some debate) KVS is just a tool which enables its users to violate the terms-of-service of some of the relevant websites.

I'd say that at best if violates the T:eek:S. It is clearly scraping data in a manner that is totally inconsistent with the rules of the sources of that data. It is reselling that data. That is fraud. If you take a look at how the business behind this is concealed it becomes obvious that the owner clearly knows that. No legitimate business conceals itself like that.

lamphs Mar 15, 2018 5:22 pm

KVS & KE
 
I have used KVS successfully for award availability for 3 RTWs, so I know a bit about it. Using an AF user for ST, I am searching for award availability for KE. I have found KE award availability as part of a multi-segment flight, but I can not find any award availability for any class from any US airport on many random dates during the next 3-6 months. What gives?


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