WN Asks Pax to Stop Recording BWI Ejection
Sep 30, 2017, 9:32 pm
#256
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WN 1525 had "one pet and one emotional-support animal on the flight."
AA denies walk-ups.
Sep 30, 2017, 10:33 pm
#257
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I travel with a service animal. A real one, with real training.
Under the law, I am not required to notify the airline ahead of time. I dont n have to present any paperwork,
The person in question here was in the wrong. Any real allergy sufferer travels with an Epi-pen and Benadry.
Under the law, I am not required to notify the airline ahead of time. I dont n have to present any paperwork,
The person in question here was in the wrong. Any real allergy sufferer travels with an Epi-pen and Benadry.
Sep 30, 2017, 10:38 pm
#258
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I travel with a service animal. A real one, with real training.
Under the law, I am not required to notify the airline ahead of time. I dont n have to present any paperwork,
The person in question here was in the wrong. Any real allergy sufferer travels with an Epi-pen and Benadry.
Under the law, I am not required to notify the airline ahead of time. I dont n have to present any paperwork,
The person in question here was in the wrong. Any real allergy sufferer travels with an Epi-pen and Benadry.
I carry Ventolin for my allergic reaction to animal dander. In fact I needed to use the inhaler on a flight last December when someone merely walked past me boarding the flight with their animals (and I was not watching at the time but started sneezing and my airways closed up and the passenger sitting next to me needed to tell me they had come past me). I had already verified with the GA prior to boarding that I was not sitting near the animals.
In fairness, true service animals have not resulted in an asthma attack (to date).
Sep 30, 2017, 10:58 pm
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Offload everyone.
Fix up all delayed/misconnecting passengers (unfortunately, inevitable).
Re-board all other passengers once the trouble maker is "set aside".
Refund the troublemaker's ticket and bid them farewell while directing them to any other airline that flies where they want to go.
Announce the offending passenger's name and state of residence. Allow for a five minute photo op of the offending passenger since no one is going to put away their cell phones any way. The crybaby whiner will have their 15 minutes of fame on YouTube and other media while they have been dutifully shamed by their fellow passengers.
---Attention Airline Management --- (AS--.IN.--MANAGE--!!!!)....Time for actually handling matters like years ago when someone in charge didn't have to try to coddle some whiney crybaby at the cost of everyone else !! --- The passenger doesn't get to be in charge. Take it up later with airline management, your lawyer, the judge, King Solomon or whoever you want to advocate for you -- but not by causing your fellow passengers to be inconvenienced over your allergy, or itch, or politically correct agenda, etc.
Last edited by FlyingNone; Sep 30, 2017 at 11:14 pm
Oct 1, 2017, 12:41 pm
#260
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person with life-threatening allegy needs to produce certificate but pet-lover does not have to produce ESA proof?
What if one is allergic to dog when within two feet but not at all if it is few rows away?? What kind of certificate needed in that case?
BTW, lady seems to have played her cards wrong but was really disgusting to see that "get out of plane and then complain" commenter.
Wonder what guys with such mentality would have told Ms Parks on that bus or MKG on that SA train?
Last edited by desi; Oct 1, 2017 at 1:23 pm
Oct 1, 2017, 1:35 pm
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This post (and its "likers") epitomizes why our great nation is such shameful predicament today.
person with life-threatening allegy needs to produce certificate but pet-lover does not have to produce ESA proof?
What if one is allergic to dog when within two feet but not at all if it is few rows away?? What kind of certificate needed in that case?
BTW, lady seems to have played her cards wrong but was really disgusting to see that "get out of plane and then complain" commenter.
Wonder what guys with such mentality would have told Ms Parks on that bus or MKG on that SA train?
person with life-threatening allegy needs to produce certificate but pet-lover does not have to produce ESA proof?
What if one is allergic to dog when within two feet but not at all if it is few rows away?? What kind of certificate needed in that case?
BTW, lady seems to have played her cards wrong but was really disgusting to see that "get out of plane and then complain" commenter.
Wonder what guys with such mentality would have told Ms Parks on that bus or MKG on that SA train?
Oct 1, 2017, 1:57 pm
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Given the available details, your guess is most likely is correct.
Were she trying to get some better separation or was she trying to get pets removed?
Former is not unreasonable. Latter is preposterous.
Looking forward, what would e a good reasonable policy?
a) To minimize abuse of ESA.
b) To address situation of people who have phobia of dogs in absolute vicinity (like next seat) but totally ok if the dog was few seats away.
Would WN be breaking any laws or social sensitivities of certain people, if they let service animal and genuine ESA board before genral boarding and put them in the last row (or first row or middle row) and then let thegeneral boarding begin? That way, people can decide how many rows away they want to sit and possibly only person getting stuck with animal is person with lowest priority and even that person should be given chance to exchange seats with person without dog phobia without being considered terrorist for requesting to change seats.
Were she trying to get some better separation or was she trying to get pets removed?
Former is not unreasonable. Latter is preposterous.
Looking forward, what would e a good reasonable policy?
a) To minimize abuse of ESA.
b) To address situation of people who have phobia of dogs in absolute vicinity (like next seat) but totally ok if the dog was few seats away.
Would WN be breaking any laws or social sensitivities of certain people, if they let service animal and genuine ESA board before genral boarding and put them in the last row (or first row or middle row) and then let thegeneral boarding begin? That way, people can decide how many rows away they want to sit and possibly only person getting stuck with animal is person with lowest priority and even that person should be given chance to exchange seats with person without dog phobia without being considered terrorist for requesting to change seats.
Last edited by desi; Oct 1, 2017 at 2:07 pm
Oct 1, 2017, 2:03 pm
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Given the available details, your guess is most likely is correct.
Were she trying to get some better separation or was she trying to get pets removed?
Former is not unreasonable. Latter is preposterous.
Looking forward, what would e a good reasonable policy?
a) To minimize abuse of ESA.
b) To address situation of people who have phobia of dogs in absolute vicinity (like next seat) but totally ok if the dog was few seats away.
Were she trying to get some better separation or was she trying to get pets removed?
Former is not unreasonable. Latter is preposterous.
Looking forward, what would e a good reasonable policy?
a) To minimize abuse of ESA.
b) To address situation of people who have phobia of dogs in absolute vicinity (like next seat) but totally ok if the dog was few seats away.
Yes, it's stupid. Of course.
You don't like it, complain to your congressman. Let us know how it goes.
Oct 1, 2017, 2:09 pm
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Oct 1, 2017, 6:17 pm
#265
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Huh? So, allergy symptoms only present when a pet walks by, but "true service animals" don't trigger a reaction?
Oct 1, 2017, 6:52 pm
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Generally the service animals have a coat/vest and so I am thinking that this may somehow stop the fur (but I am not certain).
I did not see how the pets came past me in December but they were in a carrier (when I last saw them) so I am wondering if somehow they were held at seat level and there was fur in the carrier - but that is merely a guess on my part as I did not see them come past me.
Oct 1, 2017, 10:52 pm
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Offload everyone.
Fix up all delayed/misconnecting passengers (unfortunately, inevitable).
Re-board all other passengers once the trouble maker is "set aside".
Refund the troublemaker's ticket and bid them farewell while directing them to any other airline that flies where they want to go.
Announce the offending passenger's name and state of residence. Allow for a five minute photo op of the offending passenger since no one is going to put away their cell phones any way. The crybaby whiner will have their 15 minutes of fame on YouTube and other media while they have been dutifully shamed by their fellow passengers.
---Attention Airline Management --- (AS--.IN.--MANAGE--!!!!)....Time for actually handling matters like years ago when someone in charge didn't have to try to coddle some whiney crybaby at the cost of everyone else !! --- The passenger doesn't get to be in charge. Take it up later with airline management, your lawyer, the judge, King Solomon or whoever you want to advocate for you -- but not by causing your fellow passengers to be inconvenienced over your allergy, or itch, or politically correct agenda, etc.
Offload everyone.
Fix up all delayed/misconnecting passengers (unfortunately, inevitable).
Re-board all other passengers once the trouble maker is "set aside".
Refund the troublemaker's ticket and bid them farewell while directing them to any other airline that flies where they want to go.
Announce the offending passenger's name and state of residence. Allow for a five minute photo op of the offending passenger since no one is going to put away their cell phones any way. The crybaby whiner will have their 15 minutes of fame on YouTube and other media while they have been dutifully shamed by their fellow passengers.
---Attention Airline Management --- (AS--.IN.--MANAGE--!!!!)....Time for actually handling matters like years ago when someone in charge didn't have to try to coddle some whiney crybaby at the cost of everyone else !! --- The passenger doesn't get to be in charge. Take it up later with airline management, your lawyer, the judge, King Solomon or whoever you want to advocate for you -- but not by causing your fellow passengers to be inconvenienced over your allergy, or itch, or politically correct agenda, etc.
So everyone has to be inconvieniences as one person will not obey the law, unload one, slight delay, unload all, huge consequences, amaazing why this is a big issue, so many ways she was wrong, if I was a pax i would have been happy to throw her off
Oct 1, 2017, 10:55 pm
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This post (and its "likers") epitomizes why our great nation is such shameful predicament today.
person with life-threatening allegy needs to produce certificate but pet-lover does not have to produce ESA proof?
What if one is allergic to dog when within two feet but not at all if it is few rows away?? What kind of certificate needed in that case?
BTW, lady seems to have played her cards wrong but was really disgusting to see that "get out of plane and then complain" commenter.
Wonder what guys with such mentality would have told Ms Parks on that bus or MKG on that SA train?
person with life-threatening allegy needs to produce certificate but pet-lover does not have to produce ESA proof?
What if one is allergic to dog when within two feet but not at all if it is few rows away?? What kind of certificate needed in that case?
BTW, lady seems to have played her cards wrong but was really disgusting to see that "get out of plane and then complain" commenter.
Wonder what guys with such mentality would have told Ms Parks on that bus or MKG on that SA train?
Simple, needing a service dog or ESA ( in law) is a right and a need, and does not effect others if properly controlled of course, having an allergy while regretable should not mean others are restricted in what they can do.
And she can take medicine, wear a mask etc etc to take care of her self.
If you dont like this then campaign to change to law, till then, respect it, if she had she would not have needed dragging off the plane, she could have walked off head high
Oct 2, 2017, 7:57 am
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Given the available details, your guess is most likely is correct.
Were she trying to get some better separation or was she trying to get pets removed?
Former is not unreasonable. Latter is preposterous.
Looking forward, what would e a good reasonable policy?
a) To minimize abuse of ESA.
b) To address situation of people who have phobia of dogs in absolute vicinity (like next seat) but totally ok if the dog was few seats away.
Would WN be breaking any laws or social sensitivities of certain people, if they let service animal and genuine ESA board before genral boarding and put them in the last row (or first row or middle row) and then let thegeneral boarding begin? That way, people can decide how many rows away they want to sit and possibly only person getting stuck with animal is person with lowest priority and even that person should be given chance to exchange seats with person without dog phobia without being considered terrorist for requesting to change seats.
Were she trying to get some better separation or was she trying to get pets removed?
Former is not unreasonable. Latter is preposterous.
Looking forward, what would e a good reasonable policy?
a) To minimize abuse of ESA.
b) To address situation of people who have phobia of dogs in absolute vicinity (like next seat) but totally ok if the dog was few seats away.
Would WN be breaking any laws or social sensitivities of certain people, if they let service animal and genuine ESA board before genral boarding and put them in the last row (or first row or middle row) and then let thegeneral boarding begin? That way, people can decide how many rows away they want to sit and possibly only person getting stuck with animal is person with lowest priority and even that person should be given chance to exchange seats with person without dog phobia without being considered terrorist for requesting to change seats.
However, lying about your condition isn't opinion. That was fact.
And in this case, the good, reasonable policy is to arrest someone, which also helps to prevent others from trying the same thing.
Oct 2, 2017, 8:44 am
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This post (and its "likers") epitomizes why our great nation is such shameful predicament today.
person with life-threatening allegy needs to produce certificate but pet-lover does not have to produce ESA proof?
What if one is allergic to dog when within two feet but not at all if it is few rows away?? What kind of certificate needed in that case?
BTW, lady seems to have played her cards wrong but was really disgusting to see that "get out of plane and then complain" commenter.
Wonder what guys with such mentality would have told Ms Parks on that bus or MKG on that SA train?
person with life-threatening allegy needs to produce certificate but pet-lover does not have to produce ESA proof?
What if one is allergic to dog when within two feet but not at all if it is few rows away?? What kind of certificate needed in that case?
BTW, lady seems to have played her cards wrong but was really disgusting to see that "get out of plane and then complain" commenter.
Wonder what guys with such mentality would have told Ms Parks on that bus or MKG on that SA train?
She was not asked to provide proof of the life threatening allergy - they took her word for that. She was asked to provide proof that her life threatening allergy would not cause her life to be threatened mid flight - in other words, was safe to fly with dogs, when she changed her mind about her allergy, after she realized that the dogs were not getting booted.
If I were pregnant and my water broke during boarding, I would think that the airline would be within its right to boot me rather than risk in flight childbirth. Or if I had just had open heart surgery and disclosed to the airline that I might not be ready to fly they could require a doctor's note sitting that I was OK to travel.
And, for the epi-pen... when an epi pen is administered, the patient should be presented to an ER within 30 minutes of its administration. You can't guarantee that from 10,000 feet. epi-pens should not be considered routine as in "OK, I will intentionally expose my self to the life threatening allergen and just take a shot if I have to". They are for after an unintentional exposure to save life in an emergency.