storewanderer

I have said all along this is how to get out of the mask rule...

What if you end up near a passenger who appears to be sick (coughing, etc.)? Then would you put on your mask?

FriscoHeavy

No, because according to ‘the science’, a mask doesn’t prevent you from getting it.

smmrfld

It’s amazing to see the self-admitted steps someone will take just to be belligerent. Or worse...dangerously belligerent. SMH.

ursine1

Because the rules don't apply to him.

smmrfld

You are obviously unfamiliar with WN, which is an airline, not a local shuttle service.

toomanybooks

I am amazed at the thought that the government can just give gigantic amounts of borrowed money to every corporation, business, and person in the country, all the time, forever, and it’s cool.

Plus enforced rent/mortgage forbearance, etc. Are all landlords in the country entitled to be bailed out?

There is no way this is going to end well. We are gonna end up like Weimar Germany with wheelbarrows full of fake cash. And no business will be able to function. I guess I will need to learn to grow food.

While we sit alone in our basements, afraid to go anywhere, for a decade waiting for Fauci to let us out, because Science. Kill me now.

Good for my family and my giant 30-year mortgage we just took out, I guess. Will at least have a cheap comfortable spot to vegetate.

kennycrudup

@toomanybooks: FT is a bubble. I talk to my fellow travelers and more and more people are sick of it all and are getting pissed, not cowering further. There is hope.

(I'd share more about what I've been hearing- from many people across several states- but don't want to start getting this thread relegated to the PG.)

screeton

The hope is that most people are finally realizing this is the real deal, and they have ZERO sympathy or patience with anyone who will not adhere to basic public health guidelines. I deal with the public every day in a health care setting, and I can assure you that people are indeed sick of it, but what they are sick of is the ignorance of many of their fellow humans, whether on SWA or passing them on the sidewalk.

kennycrudup

... yep, bubble.

ursine1

Of the number of various things tax dollars fund, one function I have less issue with is keeping airlines afloat through an international crisis. (With limits of course.) Especially if you understand how things like the CARES act funding works. Yes, it's mostly free money, but Southwest will end up paying back about a third of what they received, and the bulk of it essentially functions as a form of unemployment -- paying employees to keep working vs paying them to not work once they're furloughed. I much prefer the former.

I'm a landlord. Yes, the situation is troublesome, especially for smaller property owners. But I support an eviction moratorium -- I have no problem not evicting my tenants during a global pandemic. I'd much rather keep my good tenants than have to look for new ones. I'm currently receiving a forbearance on my business loan, I've received small grants from Chicago through two different business assistance programs, and also a federal disaster relief grant & low-interest loan. Since my tenants are currently up to date on their payments (although that may change at any time) I'm actually in pretty good shape (unlike many, I know). While not a "bailout," there programs available for those that need help -- renters and landlords.

What got us to where we are today is primarily the lack of any sort of COVID action/mitigation plan on the federal level -- a huge national embarrassment (brought to you by a huge national embarrassment). Early on, this crisis could have been addressed, and (even if only nominally) contained before it got completely out of hand. But I fear that moment has long passed. That lack of a plan, combined with the (also unaddressed, nay propagated) wilful ignorance of many -- who seem to believe that ignoring the virus will somehow make it go away -- is what makes the US response stunningly shameful when compared to every other first world nation.

When someone says that they're "over it," I get it. Everyone is over it.

But when someone says they're over it and suggests that this somehow means the crisis is over -- that the virus and it's effects should just stop now, since they said so -- I really have to laugh. Because I want to cry.

Wishing it away won't make it go away. And pretending that everything is just "back to normal" is exactly what is prolonging the crisis, and is in fact what is keeping things from getting back to normal.

ursine1

Hear, hear!


(Also, a question: On this forum, is there really no way to stop from seeing those who you've ignored, when they're quoted by someone else?)

kennycrudup

Let me guess- widespread mandated closures of businesses, hard national house-arrest or curfews, and a nationwide mask policy, likely with jail consequences? I'm glad we don't and if they try I hope we get more lawsuits like some states have done. Why punish low-risk places because of high-risk places? And for those about to say something like "South Korea", they're up again (as well as several other restrictive countries) despite all their restrictive measures. The world is just stuck with CV at this point- so maybe instead of punishing everyone, since we know know very well which groups are most-likely to die, why don't we actually protect the vulnerable by taking proactive measures for them first? Everything else is just hand-waving and window-dressing to get the punters to think we're "doing something".

"Cases" are not "deaths" and I'm glad to see the public is wising up to that, and recent events in the news are making that clear.

Sorry, puddy tat- you're just gonna have be a grown-up and sometimes have to deal with seeing others' opinions! (Someone quote this so he can see it )

lougord99

https://www.wkrn.com/community/healt...-to-wear-mask/

Passengers were deplaned so that authorities could remove the woman who refused to leave the plane.

I just don’t understand some people.

ursine1

If there's anything 2020 has taught us, it's that people are stupid.

Often1

And selfish.