New Earning Table (esp Partner Airlines)
Mar 28, 2014, 5:55 pm
#106
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It's a huge devaluation in terms of earning status for QFF members who do not reside in Australia, and who fly predominantly with OW carriers. What's more, those purchasing higher fares are not immune, as the status earn rate on partner airlines is significantly devalued.
It's perfectly understandable that QF's focus would be on Australian based FFers, but where there was already little incentive, these changes provide even less reasons for being a QFF member outside of Australia and NZ.
It's perfectly understandable that QF's focus would be on Australian based FFers, but where there was already little incentive, these changes provide even less reasons for being a QFF member outside of Australia and NZ.
Especially if they do not fly to the eastern states often.
Happy wandering (?)
Fred
Mar 28, 2014, 6:21 pm
#107
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Rationally, the reason to devalue the programme this way is to prep it for sale. I'm thinking the changes kick in and 4-5 months after that you'll see the programme sold. If they get the restricting Act repealed then I'd say the Intl arm will be sold off outright to EK and QF will become a simple Oz domestic carrier with a LCC intl operation. Joyce might be able to handle that because he does know those two sides of the business. Possibly.
ETA: heh. The email feedback form on the QF website has been disabled. Or it's recently been "enhanced" by the QF web monkeys. Why am I not surprised.
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Mar 28, 2014, 8:25 pm
#108
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That cannot happen. QFi need 50.1% Australian ownership to have international traffic rights. Same reason as VAi is a separate company with 50.1% Australian ownership even though VA is not majority Aust owned. And just the Asian Jetstar's have at least 50% local ownership. Australia is one of the few countries that allow majority foreign ownership of airlines
Mar 28, 2014, 8:45 pm
#109
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While Qantas can do what it likes with it's own members, it cannot dictate access criteria so to elite members of other oneworld programs.
However, mistake can occur which resulted in a BAEC Gold elite being incorrectly denied access to the LHR T3 First lounge when crediting the travel to AAdvantage - with the outcome that BA apoligised.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...-first-t3.html
Mar 28, 2014, 10:06 pm
#110
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That cannot happen. QFi need 50.1% Australian ownership to have international traffic rights. Same reason as VAi is a separate company with 50.1% Australian ownership even though VA is not majority Aust owned. And just the Asian Jetstar's have at least 50% local ownership. Australia is one of the few countries that allow majority foreign ownership of airlines
Mar 28, 2014, 10:22 pm
#111
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That solely relates to QFF or Skyward elite based access to EK or QF lounges.
While Qantas can do what it likes with it's own members, it cannot dictate access criteria so to elite members of other oneworld programs.
However, mistake can occur which resulted in a BAEC Gold elite being incorrectly denied access to the LHR T3 First lounge when crediting the travel to AAdvantage - with the outcome that BA apoligised.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...-first-t3.html
While Qantas can do what it likes with it's own members, it cannot dictate access criteria so to elite members of other oneworld programs.
However, mistake can occur which resulted in a BAEC Gold elite being incorrectly denied access to the LHR T3 First lounge when crediting the travel to AAdvantage - with the outcome that BA apoligised.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...-first-t3.html
I'd like to think I'm wrong but to my mind that clause would, for example, now rule out QF lounge access for a QF platinum crediting to his currently no-status AA account.
Mar 28, 2014, 10:45 pm
#112
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Yes, understand all that, but my reply was in indirect response to post #83 which suggested that a (presumably)QF elite could continue to enjoy lounge access while building status in another scheme.
I'd like to think I'm wrong but to my mind that clause would, for example, now rule out QF lounge access for a QF platinum crediting to his currently no-status AA account.
I'd like to think I'm wrong but to my mind that clause would, for example, now rule out QF lounge access for a QF platinum crediting to his currently no-status AA account.
lounge access for the next onward flight is based on
Qantas club membership
Class of Travel
Frequent Flyer Membership tier
which is exactly in line with OW rules
It wouldn't be logical for just "Frequent Flyer Membership tier" to be tied to "next onward flight" since all access is dependent upon next onward flight
Mar 28, 2014, 10:47 pm
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Not necessarily. NZ made similar changes years ago and remains in *A. Arguably NZ is actually violating alliance rules (e.g. no extra baggage for *G on cheap fares) whereas QF is merely violating the spirit.
This is also out of the NZ copybook.
This is also out of the NZ copybook.
Mar 28, 2014, 10:53 pm
#114
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There are a lot of routes with significantly reduced earning due to the wider bands 750 miles instead of 600 and 1500 miles instead of 1200.
Mar 28, 2014, 11:02 pm
#115
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That's a conclusion I came to a few years ago. Now I have lifetime status on 2 alliances (and working on a third) so I will soon be free from chasing status and freer to chose solely on other criteria.
Mar 28, 2014, 11:06 pm
#116
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Probably an oversight in the rush to get this announced and implemented. Award zones will likely change to match earning zones - watch for more enhancements in the process.
Mar 28, 2014, 11:23 pm
#117
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MH or AA
Any advice appreciated. I would do about 12 domestic trips a year, but about 2/3 do not accrue points as they are tied into work fares. the others are discount economy. also do I business class paid to Europe each year on cheapest OW carrier. I earn about 20,000 QF points through credit card. What is people's advice - stick with QF, or go to AA or MH. I have QC membership for another 4 years so not too worried lounge access or status
any thoughts appreicated
any thoughts appreicated
Mar 28, 2014, 11:41 pm
#118
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It doesn't read that way to me and would read to me that
lounge access for the next onward flight is based on
Qantas club membership
Class of Travel
Frequent Flyer Membership tier
which is exactly in line with OW rules
It wouldn't be logical for just "Frequent Flyer Membership tier" to be tied to "next onward flight" since all access is dependent upon next onward flight
lounge access for the next onward flight is based on
Qantas club membership
Class of Travel
Frequent Flyer Membership tier
which is exactly in line with OW rules
It wouldn't be logical for just "Frequent Flyer Membership tier" to be tied to "next onward flight" since all access is dependent upon next onward flight
Mar 29, 2014, 3:00 am
#119
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People flying oneworld partners are not leeches trying to get status cheaply and are not any less "loyal" to Qantas. I understand that QF cannot be all things to all people. I do not expect QF to fly everywhere. But in a world of airline partnerships, it is not unreasonable to expect to be rewarded for flying partner airlines that offer an alternative where your business cannot.
In fixing its initial error of considering Doha to be in the UAE, Qantas has now lumped the whole of the Middle East together in its table of slashed Status Credits for partner airlines.
How exactly does Qantas want people to fly to places such as Tel Aviv to where neither QF nor EK currently fly?
Mar 29, 2014, 3:34 am
#120
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Qantas seemedly doesn't care that you want to go to places that it doesn't serve. It is of no real benefit to Qantas if you fly on another carrier to israel
Fortunately there are still other airlines out there that could use instead or other schemes that can collect to
Fortunately there are still other airlines out there that could use instead or other schemes that can collect to