davidMEL

But it is damaging to Qantas if its changes to the way it treats those who fly on partners causes people to abandon Qantas altogether. For me, this tipping point has been reached. Now, whenever I fly home to Australia, I will be all but certain not to fly Qantas as I will have left the programme.

Dave Noble

I wonder how many people will actually quit travelling on Qantas though.

Mwenenzi

The airline you fly and the FFP where you credit miles for that flight do not need to be same. This is what FFP airline partners are about. You can fly QF and credit to AA

Very few IMHO. We are the 1%-5%-?% who actually take interest FFP's. But some of those 1%-5%-?% have a higher number of flights compared to the average punter. For many punters price is the only consideration

Dave Noble

A small percentage of those that travel frequently though. Most I suspect will just carry on as before. It would be very good if lots do quit and highlight to Qantas that there are limits before people react. A small percentage of the small percentage of frequent travellers leaving is almost natural attrition

shillard

Solid advice - I started following it about 2.5 years ago.

davidMEL

Living in London and as a result of these changes, when flying to Australia I'm now more likely to fly CX and credit to BA.

QF used to get at least four flights out of me a year, purely to maintain status. That won't be happening anymore.

goback

I think it's QF following VA, as Velocity is really revenue based.

madrooster

The SC earn zones are now loosely closer to the VA zoning as well (750, 1500 for example)

Himeno

And always has been. If QF was just copying VA, then they would have done this years ago.

Globaliser

To be frank, I doubt QF would be particularly worried by a customer whose profile is like this. Nor would any other airline. QFFF has long signalled a lack of interest in pursuing UK-based customers, for whom QFFF often makes little sense anyway. Alternatives like BAEC have changed to accommodate many (like me) for whom QFFF had previously been a good option. Obviously, there will always be some UK-based customers who want to stick with QFFF or QF because "Qantas is for Australians" - but that only aligns them to that line of thought within QF itself. But leaving that aside, it sounds like you could long have held the equivalent status in BAEC without having to fly QF (or even if still flying QF).

But these changes should cause QF to worry about customers who have some different profiles - particularly those who might change alliance altogether because of these QFFF changes. A change in behaviour from some of them could do some real damage to QF's revenues.

tycosiao

Am I reading it right that

Intra-Asia flights, Asia - Middle East & Asia - USA Partner flights SC earn rate remains?

Other than those with flight miles more than 7000 flight miles?

The rest all decreased by 50%?

LTN Phobia

Having said that, if someone "just" makes WP under the old QF system, then depending on the flying pattern, e.g. LHR-BUD in CE earned 60 SCs whereas it is 40 TPs with BA, he/she may not make BAEC Gold. Something to watch out for. BA Gold threshold is 1500, so those earning 1200 SCs from predominantly 60 SC CE destinations won't get anywhere near 1500 TPs from BAEC. On the other hand with BA WT+ earns 90/100 TPs so if that is the main cabin of choice, it is easier to earn the status with BAEC than with QF.


I agree with what you said there. I do not think Qantas is worried about those who earn WPs predominantly flying with other carriers and just flies 4 QF sectors, maybe unless those 4 sectors are in F. I actually suspect they actively don't want them.

For some time, I was flying a lot more than 4 QF sectors per year but not a very large number and was Europe-based. I was treated rather differently when I was in Australia and when I was in Europe, despite earning a lot more SCs when I was in Europe, up to about 5,000 SCs / year at some point. I felt rather unwanted.

I still feel somewhat unwanted, despite the latest changes benefiting my crediting patterns. I think the partner earning table adjustment, especially of competing routes, really annoyed me despite not affecting me at all, I only credit QF and JQ flights to QF, and the rest of them go to BA.

But of course not everyone has the luxury of crediting whatever they feel like and keep status in two or more schemes. I think the biggest risk to Qantas, as you say, are the 'mid-range' customers who fly Qantas a fair bit but also a fair bit of OW, and following the change, they'd rather fly with another alliance or another carrier within OW and credit to the scheme of that carrier or another. I wonder if they thought through that one.

VH-RMD

If they sell off QFF in 6 months and the above scenario doesn't play out until 12-18 months, I doubt they will give a flying roo....

hauteboy

Big downgrade on earning SC's in the US for Y-UP fares... used to be able to earn 600SC just on one ticket. I just squeaked past lifetime Silver using my latest P-class run on AA. Between the devaluation and AA now only allowing single connections, Gold is probably unattainable at this point.

avm2806

Is QF going to be a part of oneworld for much longer at this rate?