New Earning Table (esp Partner Airlines)
Mar 27, 2014, 12:34 pm
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Mar 27, 2014, 12:43 pm
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It looks like the Points and SC earnings tables were drafted on the back of an envelope by someone in a pub on Friday night. There was probably every intent on taking it into the office and making it into something logical and understandable, but it fell into the hands of the web people and they took it from there. Even the quality of the text looks second rate (at least on my iPad).
e,g,
for Australia to Europe
QF discount Economy 6200 , Economy 9300 Flexible Economy 12400,
QF business 18,000 and 21,700
QF 1st 24800
Emirates Eastern Australia to Europe
Saver Economy 6400
Flex Economy 12800
Saver business 16000
Flex business 22400
Saver 1st 25600
FLex 1st 32000
The actual figures are not identical but there is great similarity in the structure and the values. QF has PE earnings which EK doesn't have plus EK also has saver and flex 1st earnings whereas QF basically has every 1st as saver 1st level
It looks thought through to use a format very similar to Emirates
I wonder if QF is also implementing the other EK feature where points earned are based on the one way journey and not on the legs making up the journey as EK does
Mar 27, 2014, 12:57 pm
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Mar 27, 2014, 2:16 pm
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UA is launching a 787 service to MEL later in the year. I only flew QF because it had a better product trans-pacific (especially the A380s) over the UA old 747s. With this change I don't see why after my Easter flight I would ever fly QF again and just stick with flying UA.
Last edited by xaliasx; Mar 27, 2014 at 2:21 pm
Mar 27, 2014, 2:52 pm
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We need to do one more flight this year than already planned to hit Plat - I am wondering if we should bother.
Soft landings are critical for me and since that's never been in the T&C I imagine we won't find out what's happening until it is too late.
Losing JASAs also hurts.
Audrey
Soft landings are critical for me and since that's never been in the T&C I imagine we won't find out what's happening until it is too late.
Losing JASAs also hurts.
Audrey
Mar 27, 2014, 2:55 pm
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UA is launching a 787 service to MEL later in the year. I only flew QF because it had a better product trans-pacific (especially the A380s) over the UA old 747s. With this change I don't see why after my Easter flight I would ever fly QF again and just stick with flying UA.
Mar 27, 2014, 3:17 pm
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Sometimes yes, but not always. Indeed, sometimes more expensive. QF even helped UA "prosper" by dropping SYD-SFO. If UA can make the 787 work on Australian flights, it'll do even better.
Mar 27, 2014, 3:28 pm
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Mar 27, 2014, 4:15 pm
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Honestly, after looking at those monster tables whoever inserted the word simple into that spiel needs to be slapped with a rotten fish.
Mar 27, 2014, 4:45 pm
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I think QF are following the downward trend that other airline FFP have gone down.
These changes are similar to the recent NZ downgrades but in fact are articulated in a more "simpler" way eg. you do not need to look up and Excel spreadsheet and hope you got it right.
There are certainly devaluation for the cheaper QF fares but there has also been an increase in the expensive fares that some people travel on.
For me this change has negative impacts, dropping the cheap ASA (which we could see in the way it was implemented), massive degradation of the partner earning (so much so it works in that I will now direct travel to QF in competeting routes), reduction in earning for the cheaper fare buckets that I do travel on as well.
All up I will retain WP for at least 1 more year and see how far off I will be from LTG, probably around 2k SC, and likely stop my QF crediting after getting that.
These changes are similar to the recent NZ downgrades but in fact are articulated in a more "simpler" way eg. you do not need to look up and Excel spreadsheet and hope you got it right.
There are certainly devaluation for the cheaper QF fares but there has also been an increase in the expensive fares that some people travel on.
For me this change has negative impacts, dropping the cheap ASA (which we could see in the way it was implemented), massive degradation of the partner earning (so much so it works in that I will now direct travel to QF in competeting routes), reduction in earning for the cheaper fare buckets that I do travel on as well.
All up I will retain WP for at least 1 more year and see how far off I will be from LTG, probably around 2k SC, and likely stop my QF crediting after getting that.
Mar 27, 2014, 4:47 pm
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It looks like flying BA from LHR to DUB or AY from HEL to DUB will now result in zero SCs, no matter what class.
If QF thinks this will create an incentive to fly QF or EK for people living in London or Helsinki, they are very mistaken. People will just move to other programmes and forget about QF.
If QF thinks this will create an incentive to fly QF or EK for people living in London or Helsinki, they are very mistaken. People will just move to other programmes and forget about QF.
Mar 27, 2014, 5:10 pm
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Mar 27, 2014, 5:23 pm
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The DONE3 component of my last trip netted 1650SC. Under new earning tables, that same trip would get 1320.
From joining QFFF until 2009, I was getting 350-530 SC/year. Since 2010, I've been getting 2300-2500 SC/year. I'm 2885 SC off LTG.
It appears that my current travel patterns (since 2010) will earn about 30% fewer SC... :/
From joining QFFF until 2009, I was getting 350-530 SC/year. Since 2010, I've been getting 2300-2500 SC/year. I'm 2885 SC off LTG.
It appears that my current travel patterns (since 2010) will earn about 30% fewer SC... :/
Last edited by Himeno; Mar 27, 2014 at 5:33 pm
Mar 27, 2014, 5:37 pm
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I wonder if this 'simpler' and 'fairer' program post July will still have a joining fee of nearly $100?
Mar 27, 2014, 5:38 pm
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