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Originally Posted by newEUer
(Post 35184849)
As an extension to this, I had an itinerary CAI-xCMN-JFK-DCA-DFW-MEL-xSYD-(SIN-MLE)-xDOH-SEZ-xDOH-LHR-DOH which I've asked to be changed to:
CAI-xCMN-JFK-DCA-DFW-MEL-xSYD-SIN-xCMB-MLE-xDOH-SEZ-DOH-LHR-IST-AMM which I was told was valid and sent off for pricing. Now they've come back they want ~£740pp including the ~£101 change fee. Question is - does this sound right? Calculating the added taxes via ITA Matrix for IST-AMM comes to about £100pp and SIN-xCMB-MLE about £60pp. I haven't done LHR-IST but considering I had already paid APD for LHR-DOH I can't imagine it being a lot more. Additionally this is before the first segment, so I'm expecting a reprice but looking at EF I can see the DONE5 fare CAI-CAI filed on 26/12/23 is the same price I had paid originally (or very very close, the 145k EGP translates to ~£20 or so difference via Google rate). In total including change fees I'd expect somewhere around £600 or less for 2 rather than the £1400 they want. I did indeed call AA RTW desk and spent 40 minutes on hold where they said they were on the phone with pricing but they ended up hanging up on me :( Calling back they said they would raise it with pricing and I should call back tomorrow. What's my best course of action here? Or am I really missing something that will make it cost that much? Thank you all for the continued advice :) Edit: by my own calculations of the changed segments I found that this change would have been £1 or so due to reduction of YQ DOH-LHR and APD from £191 to £26 however after pressing with AA they are certain it's correct so I've had to pay it anyway. That said, I have the fare tax calculation figures, can anyone make more sense of it than me? Old ticket: Fare : EGP 145000.00 Taxes : 521.70 YQ 309.60 YR 47.50 XT Fare Calculation: CAISEZDOHLONDOH4785.47NUC4785.47END ROE30.30 XT41.10YR4.70AY1.70PZXFDFW4.5PD191.00GB55.81UB10.9 0EG4.10XK20.90QH1.40JK1.70EQ19.70MA35.40US5.50YC5. 90XY3.20XA9.40AY33.40AU8.80QR3.60WG31.90WY50.20BQ5 0.20H927.60QA.80PZ27.60G441.80DW.40O2.80O94.60R91. 70S412.5 New ticket: Fare : EGP 145000.00 Taxes : 722.20 YQ 350.70 YR 678.90 XT Fare Calculation 0NUC0END ROE30.30XT304.30YQ255.70YR41.20ZZ27.00SG6.70L75.00 OP17.80TR2.70M62.10O712.60P13.80XFDFW4.5PD14.10AY2 .50PZ26.00GB55.81UB10.90EG4.10XK20.90QH1.40JK1.70E Q19.70MA35.40US5.50YC5.90XY3.20XA33.40AU8.80QR50.2 0BQ50.20H927.60QA27.60G441.80DW.40O2.80O94.6 Is there any way I can estimate the taxes using ITA to calculate on 001 stock? Additionally, am I correct in the total ticket value should be the fare + the taxes? At 145000EGP (~3778GBP), £720.2 YQ, 350.7 YR, 678.9 XT that comes to £5527.8 pp however my credit card charges (there has been multiple due to them saying there is technical limitations with EGP) comes to £6258.61 which is more than what it says? Would appreciate anyone's advice again on this because if I've overpaid £629.81pp taking into account the change fee I would very much like it back. |
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 35192912)
Your fare calculation does not look complete to me. I can probably calculate the taxes on AA-001 plate, but can you specify the airline used (marketing carrier) for each sector? Also, what does "(SIN-MLE)" mean?
My old itinerary was: CAI-CMN: AA7972 26/12/23 CMN-JFK: AA7950 26/12/23 JFK-DCA: AA4479 29/12/23 DCA-DFW: AA1624 31/12/23 DFW-MEL: AA7386 03/01/24 MEL-SYD: QF0432 12/01/24 SYD-SIN: QF0001 12/01/24 MLE-DOH: QR0675 22/01/24 DOH-SEZ: QR0678 23/01/24 SEZ-DOH: QR0679 30/01/24 DOH-LHR: QR0011 31/01/24 LHR-DOH: QR0004 06/02/24 My new Itinerary is: CAI-CMN: AA7972 26/12/23 CMN-JFK: AA7950 26/12/23 JFK-DCA: AA4479 29/12/23 DCA-DFW: AA1624 31/12/23 DFW-MEL: AA7386 03/01/24 MEL-SYD: QF0432 12/01/24 SYD-SIN: QF0001 12/01/24 SIN-CMB: UL0309 14/01/24 CMB-MLE: UL0101 15/01/24 MLE-DOH: QR0675 22/01/24 DOH-SEZ: QR0678 23/01/24 SEZ-DOH: QR0679 30/01/24 LHR-IST: AA6465 01/03/24 IST-AMM: RJ0168 04/03/24 Very much appreciate you helping with this, do you have any idea also if the Fare + YQ + YR + XT should equal the total price? I am very green with pricing, but also if you have any resources I can learn myself I will look too. |
Originally Posted by newEUer
(Post 35193131)
Sure I can, (SIN-MLE) means surface segment but apologies if I have the wrong notation.
My old itinerary was: CAI-CMN: AA7972 26/12/23 CMN-JFK: AA7950 26/12/23 JFK-DCA: AA4479 29/12/23 DCA-DFW: AA1624 31/12/23 DFW-MEL: AA7386 03/01/24 MEL-SYD: QF0432 12/01/24 SYD-SIN: QF0001 12/01/24 MLE-DOH: QR0675 22/01/24 DOH-SEZ: QR0678 23/01/24 SEZ-DOH: QR0679 30/01/24 DOH-LHR: QR0011 31/01/24 LHR-DOH: QR0004 06/02/24 My new Itinerary is: CAI-CMN: AA7972 26/12/23 CMN-JFK: AA7950 26/12/23 JFK-DCA: AA4479 29/12/23 DCA-DFW: AA1624 31/12/23 DFW-MEL: AA7386 03/01/24 MEL-SYD: QF0432 12/01/24 SYD-SIN: QF0001 12/01/24 SIN-CMB: UL0309 14/01/24 CMB-MLE: UL0101 15/01/24 MLE-DOH: QR0675 22/01/24 DOH-SEZ: QR0678 23/01/24 SEZ-DOH: QR0679 30/01/24 LHR-IST: AA6465 01/03/24 IST-AMM: RJ0168 04/03/24 Very much appreciate you helping with this, do you have any idea also if the Fare + YQ + YR + XT should equal the total price? I am very green with pricing, but also if you have any resources I can learn myself I will look too. Open-jaw is SIN//CMB or SIN/-CMB. There is a distinction between these but let's not get in there now as it's irrelevant to xONEx. I'm not sure why my Sabre is autopricing your itinerary as a DONE6 when it should just be a DONE5, but this is what I got. I assume you are buying this ticket from the UK and this is priced in GBP? When was the old ticket issued and when did you get the quote for the new ticket? As of now, the taxes and fees should add up to 1825.21GBP, slightly higher than the quote you got. Don't know if it's due to currency fluctuation or YR/YQ/tax rate change. Lastly, I will be very surprised if AA is willing to book you on LHR-IST on AA as a standalone flight. The flight is "INTL ONLINE CONEX/STPVR TFC ONLY," but if AA issued it for you, go for it. Code:
WQCAI/AAA26DEC/CD/XCMN/AAA26DEC/CDJFK/AAA29DEC/CDDCA/AAA31DEC/CDDFW/AAA03JAN/CDMEL/AQF12JAN/CD/XSYD/AQF12JAN/CDSIN/AUL14JAN/CD/XCMB/AUL15JANMLE/AQR22JAN/CD/XDOH/AQR23JAN/CDSEZ/AQR30JAN/CD/XDOH/AQR31JAN/CDLHR/AAA01MAR/CDIST/ARJ04MAR/CDAMM-RW/MGBP/SLON/TLON/VAA/Q/DONE5« |
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 35193679)
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Fare + tax 1 + tax 2 + XT is the total. .... I'm not sure why my Sabre is autopricing your itinerary as a DONE6 when it should just be a DONE5, but this is what I got. I assume you are buying this ticket from the UK and this is priced in GBP? When was the old ticket issued and when did you get the quote for the new ticket? As of now, the taxes and fees should add up to 1825.21GBP, slightly higher than the quote you got. Don't know if it's due to currency fluctuation or YR/YQ/tax rate change. Lastly, I will be very surprised if AA is willing to book you on LHR-IST on AA as a standalone flight. The flight is "INTL ONLINE CONEX/STPVR TFC ONLY," but if AA issued it for you, go for it. ... Indeed it is priced in GBP, however I'm not sure if PoS is Dallas or if it's London? I'm not sure there would be much difference anyway. Agreed it is very odd that LHR-IST is AA standalone but it is ticketed and earns better Avios to QRPC anyway so I'll go with it. It's strange about the DONE6 pricing too. I wonder why? In regards to your knowledge on fare + XT + YQ + YR I would say in this case I have definitely overpaid the ticket. My total amex debits to AA for this end up at £6263.41pp. Subtract the ~3778 fare, 1825.21 taxes you calculated, and 101 change fee I'm over by £558.8 per person. Does this pass the sense check to you? If so, how do you think I should tackle this? Ask for total recalculation and reconcilation or is it worth going the complaint route as I've tried to sort this over 10s of phone calls Thanks again :) I appreciate it so much Edit: I forgot to include DOH-LHR: QR0015 02/02/24 above so it's a stopover rather than a transit, do you think that could be the reason? |
Difference in surcharges qatar
I hope someone can confirm for me - I'm pricing the surcharges on a DONE5 my husband and I want to take next year, using ITA Matrix. The surcharges listed on a Qatar ATH-DOH-SYD sector are $AUD1409. But if I do two searches - ATH-DOH, then DOH-SYD the surcharges list as $AUD379, then $AUD343 respectively still with Qatar - a saving of $AUD687/person. Is this correct? If we stay in DOH for a couple of days, will those lower surcharges stand? I'd prefer to fly Qatar business class on that long haul.
Any advice much appreciated. |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 35202635)
I hope someone can confirm for me - I'm pricing the surcharges on a DONE5 my husband and I want to take next year, using ITA Matrix. The surcharges listed on a Qatar ATH-DOH-SYD sector are $AUD1409. But if I do two searches - ATH-DOH, then DOH-SYD the surcharges list as $AUD379, then $AUD343 respectively still with Qatar - a saving of $AUD687/person. Is this correct? If we stay in DOH for a couple of days, will those lower surcharges stand? I'd prefer to fly Qatar business class on that long haul.
Any advice much appreciated. FYI the figures may be slightly different depending on your ticketing carrier but pretty close. Good find! |
Originally Posted by newEUer
(Post 35203287)
I just did a dummy search and calculated taxes similar to yours so yes in this case I'd believe adding a stopover (>24hrs) in DOH reduces the YQ greatly.
FYI the figures may be slightly different depending on your ticketing carrier but pretty close. Good find! This is sort of opposite of LHR! |
Originally Posted by newEUer
(Post 35194192)
Mate thank you so much for this, my initial ticket was priced 9/03, and the one that I have LHR-DOH was the 15/03, my latest one was 21/04.
Indeed it is priced in GBP, however I'm not sure if PoS is Dallas or if it's London? I'm not sure there would be much difference anyway. Agreed it is very odd that LHR-IST is AA standalone but it is ticketed and earns better Avios to QRPC anyway so I'll go with it. It's strange about the DONE6 pricing too. I wonder why? ... Edit: I forgot to include DOH-LHR: QR0015 02/02/24 above so it's a stopover rather than a transit, do you think that could be the reason? I ran the autoprice tax breakdown again, back date to 21APR. Not that different. Ticket was probably issued in the UK if your taxes are calculated in GBP. Code:
In regards to your knowledge on fare + XT + YQ + YR I would say in this case I have definitely overpaid the ticket. My total amex debits to AA for this end up at £6263.41pp. Subtract the ~3778 fare, 1825.21 taxes you calculated, and 101 change fee I'm over by £558.8 per person. Does this pass the sense check to you? If so, how do you think I should tackle this? Ask for total recalculation and reconcilation or is it worth going the complaint route as I've tried to sort this over 10s of phone calls Thanks again I appreciate it so much As to your old itinerary priced on 15MAR, this is the tax breakdown I have, back date to 15MAR: Code:
1 AA7972D 26DEC 2 CAICMN GK1 0840 1320 /EGBP26.20SG GBP6.50L7 GBP4.80OP GBP426.10YR-GBP291.20YR=134.9 GBP856.70YQ-GBP593.70YQ=263 GBP2.60M6 GBP2.00O7 total new tax = 440GBP Plus the 125USD change fee you have to pay, the total extra you need to pay is probably in the 5xxGBP range. I did not add DOH departure tax (since not supported by autoprice) but that should be small. The big difference seems to be the 335USD YQ from UL. I am also a bit lost as to what old ticket you had in 09MAR? Lastly, I'm saving the queries below so I don't have to type them again next time. If you can give me flight info in the below format, I can build the exact itinerary easily: Code:
0AA7950D26DECCMNJFKGK1 |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 35202635)
I hope someone can confirm for me - I'm pricing the surcharges on a DONE5 my husband and I want to take next year, using ITA Matrix. The surcharges listed on a Qatar ATH-DOH-SYD sector are $AUD1409. But if I do two searches - ATH-DOH, then DOH-SYD the surcharges list as $AUD379, then $AUD343 respectively still with Qatar - a saving of $AUD687/person. Is this correct? If we stay in DOH for a couple of days, will those lower surcharges stand? I'd prefer to fly Qatar business class on that long haul.
Any advice much appreciated. |
Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 35204745)
Take a look at the YQ and YR quotes separately. QR charges YR sector by sector but YQ on a "complete RTW itinerary" basis. Once you build the entire RTW (probably not possible using ITA matrix), the QR YQ will be adjusted to reflect that, thus there should be no difference in YQ/YR at the end whether DOH is stopover or transit.
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Originally Posted by newEUer
(Post 35203287)
I just did a dummy search and calculated taxes similar to yours so yes in this case I'd believe adding a stopover (>24hrs) in DOH reduces the YQ greatly.
FYI the figures may be slightly different depending on your ticketing carrier but pretty close. Good find! |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 35204940)
I see - the YQ charges for the two separate sectors amount to $AUD520.9 whereas booked as one sector the YQ charges are a whopping $1,225. And no - I don't think I could build the entire itinerary (NRT-HNLo-SEAo-LASo-JFKo-GRUo-DOHx-CDGo-HELo-ATHo-DOHx-SYDo-NOUo-SYDo-BKK(overland)-SGNo-NRT) on ITA matrix - I tried but it wouldn't let me enter that many flights:D. I'm hoping I've squeezed in as much travel as I could get. I hope you're right - saving $AUD700 each woulld be nice! Given the charges overall for the two of us amount to a little over $5000 any saving is nice. Thank you so much for taking the time!
Code:
WQNRT/AJL03MAY/CDHNL/AAS/CDSEA/AAS/CDLAS/AAA/CDJFK/AAA/CDGRU/AQR/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDCDG/AAY/CDHEL/AAY/CDATH/AQR/CD/XDOH/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDNOU/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDBKK/-SGN/AJL/CDNRT-RW/MUSD/SDFW/TDFW/VAA« |
[QUOTE=ernestnywang;35215055]Not sure which airline's plate you want to put the ticket on. If AA, the total taxes look like 1072.21USD to me, based on today's exchange rate. See my post https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/34947744-post1102.html for explanation.
Thanks so much for that! I did read your post for explanation but am none the wiser (the fault lies with me not your explanation) - I will take encouragement from your calculation and live in hope that the taxes will work out lower than I expect! I had intended to book through JAL as they are our first flight - would you have any idea (without going to the bother of working it out) if they would have similarly low taxes? They are one of the lowest for taxes I think. Also, if I book through JAL can I credit the points earned to Qantas? I'm hoping to gain status with Qantas on that run in the hope that in 2025 we can book a 35K mile Qantas Oneworld Classic itinerary. ATM Qantas is appallingly bad to try to book anything through their call centres if you have no status. |
Do not confuse real taxes and carrier surcharges. Real taxes are the same for all airlines flying the same route/class of travel.
You can earn Qantas ff points and status credits (SC) on all Oneworld airline, subject to rules.
The QF partner earning is *very* poorly presented and hard to establish what you will get. No doubt that is deliberate. QF has a poor FFP. |
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 35219778)
Thanks so much for that! I did read your post for explanation but am none the wiser (the fault lies with me not your explanation) - I will take encouragement from your calculation and live in hope that the taxes will work out lower than I expect!
I had intended to book through JAL as they are our first flight - would you have any idea (without going to the bother of working it out) if they would have similarly low taxes? They are one of the lowest for taxes I think. Code:
WQNRT/AJL05MAY/CDHNL/AAS/CDSEA/AAS/CDLAS/AAA/CDJFK/AAA/CDGRU/AQR/CD/XDOH/AQR/CDCDG/AAY/CDHEL/AAY/CDATH/AQR/CD/XDOH/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDNOU/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CDBKK/-SGN/AJL/CDNRT-RW/MUSD/VJL«
Originally Posted by pye1201
(Post 35219778)
Also, if I book through JAL can I credit the points earned to Qantas?
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