Originally Posted by Viajero Millero (Post 35242532)

If I'm understanding this correctly, I need to add up the distance of each individual segment, in my case that would be around 52k miles. Then if MEX-JFK is around 2,090 miles...that would be around 4% of the total distance.

So the revenue "assigned" to MEX-JFK would be 4% of the base fare I paid?

Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 35222058)

It was originally issued November 14 or 15, 2022, and reissued (after date changes) March 27, 2023. Interestingly, the reissue resulted in a credit of $56.53 per passenger.

My itinerary in Sabre code is, I believe:

WQTYO/JL426/CANYC/AAA/CALAX/AAS/CDYVR/AAS/CD/XLAX/AAY/CALHR/ABA/CDLIS/ABA/CD/XLHR/AQR/CADOH/AQR/CA/XLHR/AQF/CA/SYD/AQF/CDPER/AQF/CDADL/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CASIN/AMH/CDKUL/AMH/CATYO-RW/MUSD/VJL

That's plating on JL and pricing in USD. In the e-ticket from JL, it was priced in JPY, so it might be better to use that to avoid having exchange rate changes confuse things. That would, I think, be:

WQTYO/JL426/CANYC/AAA/CALAX/AAS/CDYVR/AAS/CD/XLAX/AAY/CALHR/ABA/CDLIS/ABA/CD/XLHR/AQR/CADOH/AQR/CA/XLHR/AQF/CA/SYD/AQF/CDPER/AQF/CDADL/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CASIN/AMH/CDKUL/AMH/CATYO-RW/MJPY/VJL

I recall that Sabre often chokes on autopricing RTWs with Australian domestic segments, so you might have to omit some of them for it to price. Perhaps:

WQTYO/JL426/CANYC/AAA/CALAX/AAS/CDYVR/AAS/CD/XLAX/AAY/CALHR/ABA/CDLIS/ABA/CD/XLHR/AQR/CADOH/AQR/CA/XLHR/AQF/CA/SYD/AQF/CASIN/AMH/CDKUL/AMH/CATYO-RW/MJPY/VJL

(As an aside, I found it helpful when creating the quote string to say to myself "slash airline" for "/a" and "slash cabin" for "/C", to make it easier to keep my place.)

Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 35223293)

Determining which YQ/YR to allocate to which segments is harder; my spreadsheet allocates it exactly the same as it does the base fare (pro-rated by percent of total flight distance), and it works out fairly close to what AA awards, but perhaps [MENTION=77686]ernestnywang[/MENTION] can suggest a better way?

Originally Posted by Padkir (Post 35239426)

Hi all.
So I've priced up a DONE5 Oneworld Explorer ticket (details below), and I have a question about the taxes and charges. The total is running at about 41% of the base fare, which is a bit higher than I'd have expected. On looking at the breakdown on AA.com (also copied below - the block of text is the various taxes, which totals about $450, which is fine), I can see that $1,508.70 of the total of $1,961.19 is down as "Carrier-imposed fees". I don't have any more detail as to which carrier or which flight and the AA rep wouldn't send me any more details.
Would anyone have any idea or recommendations as to how I could potentially reduce these carrier fees (would anyone know which legs are driving the highest ones)? Sorry I'm not sure of the proper way of showing all the details on the below, so I've written it out underneath also for clarity. AA may have grouped them slightly differently as I was just booking them on dummy dates (e.g. grouped Chicago to Honolulu via Anchorage as one flight with a stopover) - not sure if that matters?
Thanks!

CAI(QR)-xDOH(QR)-xDFW(AA)-SCL, BAQ(AA)-xMIA(AA)-ORD(AS)-ANC(AS)-HNL(JL)-xHND(JL)-SYD(QF)-NAN, AKL(MH)-KUL(MH)-DEL(BA)-xLHR(BA)-AMM

Cairo to Santiago, transiting Doha and Dallas Fort Worth (Qatar flights on CAI-DOH and DOH-DFW; I asked to be put on American Airlines codeshare but they said they couldn't) (AA on DFW-SCL)
Surface segment to Barranquilla
Barranquilla to Chicago via Miami on American Airlines
Chicago to Anchorage on Alaskan
Anchorage to Honolulu on Alaskan
Honolulu to Sydney via Haneda on Japan Airlines
Sydney to Nadi on Qantas
Surface segment to Auckland
Auckland to Kuala Lumpur on Malaysian
Kuala Lumpur to Delhi on Malaysian
Delhi to Amman via Heathrow on British Airways

Adult (per passenger)
$4,700.00 USD
CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES$1,508.70 USD
PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE (UNITED STATES)$9.00 USDSEGMENT TAX (UNITED STATES)$14.40 USDTRANSPORTATION TAX (UNITED STATES)$52.80 USDUS APHIS USER FEE (UNITED STATES)$7.66 USDUS CUSTOMS USER FEE (UNITED STATES)$13.04 USDUS FEDERAL INSPECTION FEE (UNITED STATES)$14.00 USDUS SECURITY FEE (UNITED STATES)$22.40 USDPASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE (AUSTRALIA)$40.50 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (AUSTRALIA)$46.90 USDAIRPORT TAX (COLOMBIA)$49.00 USDDEPARTURE FEE (EGYPT)$1.60 USDDEVELOPMENT FEE (EGYPT)$9.70 USDEMBARKATION TAX (EGYPT)$25.00 USDSERVICE CHARGE AT CAIRO AIRPORT (EGYPT)$2.00 USDSOLIDARITY TAX (EGYPT)$13.00 USDPASSENGER SERVICE FACILITIES CHARGE (JAPAN)$10.90 USDBORDER CLEARANCE LEVY (NEW ZEALAND)$3.30 USDPASSENGER SECURITY CHARGE (NEW ZEALAND)$10.70 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (NEW ZEALAND)$11.20 USDAIRPORT FEE (QATAR)$16.50 USDPASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE (QATAR)$16.50 USDPASSENGER SAFETY AND SECURITY FEE (QATAR)$2.70 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (QATAR)$0.50 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (UNITED KINGDOM)$53.20 USDOTHER TAXES & CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES$5.99 USD
Total$6,661.19 USD per person

Originally Posted by Padkir (Post 35240218)

Update on this - I worked with AA to get the flights amended so the stopovers and transits match what I am actually planning. The taxes and charges changed very little, so I'm still ultimately trying to figure out what airline/segment is driving such high carrier fees. Any ideas how I can figure this out so I can look into alternatives? Thanks!

Also, the AA agent said they couldn't put me on the AA codeshare of the QR operated flights from CAI-DOH-DFW because there was no business availability, but I'm seeing loads of availability in Expert Flyer, which I don't really understand.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5202cea790.jpg

Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 35246358)

I had to tweak the itinerary a bit for autoprice to work. Intra-Asia sectors need to be used before going to Oceania. This is a known glitch for Sabre autoprice.

Considering this itinerary,



In this case, QF charges around 590USD, followed by QR around 550USD, BA around 360USD, JL around 195USD, and a small amount from MH. QF code seems not avoidable for you, but try your best to get on the AA-coded, QR-operated flight. QR charges a lumpsum YQ amount for xONEx, as long as 1 QR sector appears. The QR per-sector YR is small, but this lumpsum YQ is huge. Changing these QR-operated flights to AA code should drop the 520USD YQ from QR.

See this example below.


If you are interested in trying out other routing, I would really appreciate if you can give me the Sabre WQ- entry (which you can see in the beginning of my codes) to enter. Please bear in mind I cannot overcome the glitch. Sabre will not autoprice if Asia-Oceania-Asia is between TPAC and intra-Asia segments. Sabre will only autoprice if Asia-Oceania-Asia is between Asia-Europe and intra-Asia segments.


Not sure if it is a POS (Point of Sale) issue. If you are calling AA RTW desk, I suppose the POS should be US? From my POS (Taiwan), I see D2 right now.

Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 35246319)

Sorry for my late reply. Can't keep us with work or anything these days. So overwhelmed.

Comparing the Sabre calculation your screenshot, it would appear that JL is only collecting their own YQ on your ticket. The MH, AY, and BA YQ are not collected. Seems booking through JL is a good idea (but you have to wait a long long time on the phone right?).

Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 35249316)

I'm researching taxes on a DONE5 for a return flight from EZE to HNL via DFW and using ITA I come up with the following which translates to taxes and fees of about $3490 USD. I'd appreciate a sanity check or any other insights. If this is actually the case, then I guess I'll take a flight from EZE to SCL on a non-OW carrier and the fly SCL to HNL via DFW for taxes and fees of about $70 USD:

Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 35272449)

Total taxes and fees look like 330.45USD to me.

Originally Posted by Cerebus (Post 35271095)

After being grounded for three years, I've got the flying bug again. Having previously enjoyed a RTW trip, I'm currently finalising the dates of an another one. It's an AONE4 sarting in TYO, with the likely routing of

HND(A)-xBKK-HKG-xSIN(A)-SYD-xBNE-APW//NAN-SYD(A)-SIN(A)-LHR(A)-DOH(A)-LHR(A)-SEA-SFO(A)-JFK(A)-HND

My best attempt of this in SABRE speak (using JL):
WQHND/AJL14SEP/CA/XBKK/ACX/CDHKG/ACX/CD/XSIN/AQF/CASYD/AQF/CD/XBNE/AQF/CDAPW/-NAN/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CASIN/AQF/CALHR/AQR/CADOH/AQR/CALHR/ABA/CASEA/AAS/CDSFO/AAA/CAJFK/AJL/CAHND-B01JUN23/RW/MGBP/VJL


I am pretty certain of the dates have confirmed availability using ExpertFlyer. Now I have to book the thing. I've tried the OneWorld RTW tool and (unsurprisingly) it was unable to price up the exact route. What would be the best option for a UK based person to book this?

As there's a lot of QF and QR flights in the itinerary, avoiding excessive YR/YQ is a priority. Will the booking airline affect this?

Cheers.

Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 35272489)

The code works perfectly. Thank you for making it easy for me!

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WQHND/AJL14SEP/CA/XBKK/ACX/CDHKG/ACX/CD/XSIN/AQF/CASYD/AQF/CD/XBNE/AQF/CDAPW/-NAN/AQF/CDSYD/AQF/CASIN/AQF/CALHR/AQR/CADOH/AQR/CALHR/ABA/CASEA/AAS/CDSFO/AAA/CAJFK/AJL/CAHND-B01JUN23/RW/MGBP/VJL«

PSGR TYPE ADT
ATTN*VERIFY BOOKING CLASS
FARE BASIS BOOK CODE FARE TAX/FEES/CHGS TOTAL
01 LONE4 E/R/R/R/* GBP 2063.00 1008.72 3071.72 ADT
02 LONE5 E/R/R/R/* GBP 2436.00 1008.72 3444.72 ADT
03 DONE4 D/D/D/D/* GBP 4540.00 1107.52 5647.52 ADT
04 DONE5 D/D/D/D/* GBP 5207.00 1107.52 6314.52 ADT
05 AONE4 A/A/A/A/* GBP 6878.00 1107.52 7985.52 ADT
*01-05*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY
*01-05*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED
*01-05*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED
*01-05*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY
ATTN*BOOK OPTION OF CHOICE IN APPLICABLE BOOKING CLASS
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
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WQ5«

1 JLOPENA 14SEP 4 HNDBKK DS1
2 CXOPENA BKKHKG DS1
3 CXOPENA HKGSIN DS1
4 QFOPENA SINSYD DS1
5 QFOPENA SYDBNE DS1
6 QFOPENA BNEAPW DS1
7 ARNK
8 QFOPENA NANSYD DS1
9 QFOPENA SYDSIN DS1
10 QFOPENA SINLHR DS1
11 QROPENA LHRDOH DS1
12 QROPENA DOHLHR DS1
13 BAOPENA LHRSEA DS1
14 ASOPEND SEASFO DS1
15 AAOPENA SFOJFK DS1
16 JLOPENA JFKHND DS1
PSGR TYPE ADT - 05
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
TYO
XBKK JL A 14SEP AONE4 14SEP 14SEP 02P
HKG CX A OPEN AONE4 15SEP 15SEP 02P
XSIN CX A OPEN AONE4 16SEP 16SEP 02P ¥

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SYD QF A OPEN AONE4 17SEP 17SEP 02P ¥
XBNE QF A OPEN AONE4 18SEP 18SEP 02P
APW QF A OPEN AONE4 19SEP 19SEP 02P
NAN S U R F A C E
SYD QF A OPEN AONE4 21SEP 21SEP 02P
SIN QF A OPEN AONE4 22SEP 22SEP 02P
LON QF A OPEN AONE4 23SEP 23SEP 02P
DOH QR A OPEN AONE4 24SEP 24SEP 02P
LON QR A OPEN AONE4 25SEP 25SEP 02P
SEA BA A OPEN AONE4 26SEP 26SEP 02P
SFO AS D OPEN AONE4 27SEP 27SEP 02P
NYC AA A OPEN AONE4 28SEP 28SEP 02P
TYO JL A OPEN AONE4 29SEP 29SEP 02P
FARE JPY 1182500 EQUIV GBP 6878.00
TAX GBP 17.20SW GBP 0.40G8 GBP 1089.92XT
TOTAL GBP 7985.52
ADT-01 AONE4
TYO JL X/BKK CX HKG CX X/SIN QF SYD QF X/BNE QF APW//NAN QF
SYD QF SIN QF LON QR DOH QR LON BA SEA AS SFO AA NYC JL TYO
8761.45NUC8761.45END ROE134.966207
XT GBP0.80E7 GBP12.30HK GBP16.40G3 GBP5.60I5 GBP3.60SG
XT GBP8.30L7 GBP4.80OP GBP64.20AU GBP10.70QR GBP1.00WG
XT GBP66.70WY GBP36.50EY GBP3.40EZ GBP3.40FA GBP111.62UB ¥

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XT GBP13.20QA GBP3.20PZ GBP13.20G4 GBP34.00US GBP5.20YC ¥
XT GBP5.60XY GBP3.10XA GBP9.00AY GBP46.60YR GBP595.90YQ
XT GBP2.20R9 GBP5.80TK GBP3.60XFJFK4.5
ENDOS*SEG0/1/2/3/4/5/6/8/9/10/11/12/13/14/15/16*VALID ON
ENDOS*ONEWORLD ONLY/NONREF
TKT/TL20AUG23/2359
RATE USED 1JPY-0.00581689GBP
ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-16
ATTN*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED SEG 1-16
ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1
ATTN*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY SEG 1-16
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - JL
ATTN*APPLICABLE BOOKING CLASS - 2A 3A 5A 6A 8A
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
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WQ¥DF5«

WQ¥DF5
PSGR TYPE ADT
FARE JPY 1182500 EQUIV GBP 6878.00
TAX GBP 17.20SW GBP 0.40G8 GBP 1089.92XT
TOTAL GBP 7985.52
TYO JL X/BKK CX HKG CX X/SIN QF SYD QF X/BNE QF APW//NAN QF SYD
QF SIN QF LON QR DOH QR LON BA SEA AS SFO AA NYC JL TYO8761.45NU
C8761.45END ROE134.966207
XT GBP0.80E7 GBP12.30HK GBP16.40G3 GBP5.60I5 GBP3.60SG
XT GBP8.30L7 GBP4.80OP GBP64.20AU GBP10.70QR GBP1.00WG
XT GBP66.70WY GBP36.50EY GBP3.40EZ GBP3.40FA GBP111.62UB
XT GBP13.20QA GBP3.20PZ GBP13.20G4 GBP34.00US GBP5.20YC
XT GBP5.60XY GBP3.10XA GBP9.00AY GBP46.60YR GBP595.90YQ
XT GBP2.20R9 GBP5.80TK GBP3.60XFJFK4.5
RATE USED 1JPY-0.00581689GBP
/////////////// TRAFFIC DOCUMENT ISSUED IN RMQ ///////////////
PU -FARE BASIS-CUR NUC AMT ELEMENT DESCRIPTION ----------- GI
01 AONE4 JPY 8761.45 TYO-TYO QF /RT RTG RW
8761.45 - TOTAL NUC
-TAX AMT/GBP/-- CUR CODES DESCRIPTION-----TAX TYPE/SEQUENCE--
328.10 /YQF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
114.00:JPY 19600 *HND* *JL* 162740
214.10:JPY 36800 *JFK* *JL* 164760
267.80 /YQI SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED MISC
2.90:USD 3.60 *HND* *JL* 9040090 ¥

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2.90:USD 3.60 *JFK* *JL* 9040090 ¥
262.00:USD 326.00 *LHR* *BA* 9004350
46.60 /YRF SERVICE FEE - CARRIER-IMPOSED FUEL
23.30:JPY 4000 *BKK* *CX* 139037
23.30:JPY 4000 *HKG* *CX* 139037
64.20 AU/AU PASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE PMC
32.10:AUD 60.00 *BNE* *QF* 001 21250
32.10:AUD 60.00 *SYD* *QF* 001 21250
4.00 AU/QR PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DOMESTIC DE
4.00:AUD 7.41 *SYD* *QF* 001 513750
6.70 AU/QR2 PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DOMESTIC AR
6.70:AUD 12.50 *SYD* *QF* 002 391250
1.00 AU/WG SAFETY AND SECURITY CHARGE DEPARTUR
1.00:AUD 1.81 *SYD* *QF* 001 608437
33.30 AU/WY PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE DEPARTURE
16.60:AUD 31.09 *BNE* *QF* 001 104396
16.70:AUD 31.28 *SYD* *QF* 001 287500
33.40 AU/WY2 PASSENGER SERVICES CHARGE ARRIVAL IN
16.70:AUD 31.28 *NAN* *QF* 002 289375
16.70:AUD 31.28 *SIN* *QF* 002 289375
36.50 FJ/EY AIRPORT DEPARTURE TAX
36.50:FJD 100.00 *NAN* *QF* 001 25000
3.40 FJ/EZ AIRPORT SECURITY CHARGE ¥

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3.40:FJD 9.27 *NAN* *QF* 001 25000 ¥
3.40 FJ/FA AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT CHARGE
3.40:FJD 9.27 *NAN* *QF* 001 25000
111.62 GB/UB PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DEPARTURES
55.81:GBP 55.81 *LHR* *QR* 001 4724938
55.81:GBP 55.81 *LHR* *BA* 001 4724938
16.40 HK/G3 AIRPORT CONSTRUCTION FEE
16.40:HKD 160 *HKG* *CX* 001 105000
12.30 HK/HK AIR PASSENGER DEPARTURE TAX
12.30:HKD 120 *HKG* *CX* 001 15000
5.60 HK/I5 AIRPORT PASSENGER SECURITY CHARGE
5.60:HKD 55 *HKG* *CX* 001 110000
17.20 JP/SW PASSENGER SERVICE FACILITIES CHARGE
17.20:JPY 2950 *HND* *JL* 001 475000
5.80 JP/TK INTERNATIONAL TOURIST TAX
5.80:JPY 1000 *HND* *JL* 001 100000
13.20 QA/G4 PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE PFC
13.20:QAR 60.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 105000
1.60 QA/PZ PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE DEPARTURES
1.60:USD 2.05 *DOH* *QR* 001 115000
1.60 QA/PZ2 PASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE ARRIVALS
1.60:USD 2.05 *LHR* *QR* 002 120000
13.20 QA/QA AIRPORT FEE INTERNATIONAL ¥

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13.20:QAR 60.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 25000 ¥
2.20 QA/R9 PASSENGER SAFETY AND SECURITY FEE PS
2.20:QAR 10.00 *DOH* *QR* 001 110000
8.30 SG/L7 AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT LEVY
1.80:SGD 3.00 *SIN* *QF* 001 102500
6.50:SGD 10.80 *SIN* *QF* 001 105000
4.80 SG/OP AVIATION LEVY
4.80:SGD 8.00 *SIN* *QF* 001 120000
3.60 SG/SG PASSENGER SERVICE AND SECURITY FEE P
3.60:SGD 6.00 *SIN* *QF* 001 20312
0.80 TH/E72 ADVANCE PASSENGER PROCESSING USER CH
0.80:THB 35 *HND* *JL* 002 75025
0.40 TH/G82 INTERNATIONAL ARRIVAL FEE
0.40:THB 15 *HND* *JL* 002 100000
9.00 US/AY PASSENGER CIVIL AVIATION SECURITY SE
4.50:USD 5.60 *SEA* 001 828212
4.50:USD 5.60 *SFO* 001 828212
34.00 US/US2 TRANSPORTATION TAX INTERNATIONAL DEP
17.00:USD 21.10 *JFK* *JL* 014 198906
17.00:USD 21.10 *LHR* *BA* 015 149453
3.10 US/XA APHIS PASSENGER FEE PASSENGERS
3.10:USD 3.83 *LHR* *BA* 001 112500
5.60 US/XY2 IMMIGRATION USER FEE ¥

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5.60:USD 7.00 *LHR* *BA* 002 130000 ¥
5.20 US/YC CUSTOMS USER FEE
5.20:USD 6.52 *LHR* *BA* 001 125000
3.60 US/XF PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE
3.60:USD 4.50 *JFK*
-IATA RATES OF EXCHANGE USED IN FARE CALCULATION --------------
134.966207 JPY-ROE EFF 01JUN23*INDEF
-BSR USED IN FARE CALCULATION ---------------------------------
1JPY:0.00581689GBP
-BSR USED IN TAX CALCULATION ----------------------------------
1JPY:0.00581689GBP 1USD:0.80370113GBP
1AUD:0.53425698GBP 1FJD:0.36452872GBP
1HKD:0.10272058GBP 1QAR:0.22070606GBP
1SGD:0.59747215GBP 1THB:0.02336188GBP
-PRICING UNIT TRIP TYPE ---------------------------------------
PU 01 - SPECIAL RW SINGLE FARE COMPONENT
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