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Old Oct 26, 12, 4:13 am
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i went to the links you mention about online check-in and have you tried it ?
If you go to the dropdown list of origins Khartoum is not listed ....
which makes think that you can't check-in online for journeys originating there
I would most certainly e-mail or call RJ to found out if it's possible ...
Do let me know if it is possible!
From what I've read of others who have done ex KRT RTW they have all had to be checked in at the airport

Originally Posted by henry999 View Post
Thanks for your reply.

Looking at both

http://rj.com/en/web_check-in.html
and
http://rj.com/en/get_your_boarding_pass_online.html

there is no suggestion that this facility may be available for some departure airports but not for others. On the other hand, expecting it to happen but then finding on the day that for whatever reason it doesn't could well indeed introduce an unpleasant element of ... shall we say, chaos ... into the travel experience.

I think I found the anecdote to which you are referring ... from almost a year ago?!? From that report, it would seem that not very many people change planes at KRT!

cheers,

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Old Oct 26, 12, 4:16 am
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Originally Posted by alemdohorizonte View Post
Hi,
I could use a bit of help with my latest AONE6 (ex KHT) itinerary.

I the cities I want to include are LHR, SYD, JNB, HKG, LAX, JFK, GRU, SCL.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to include the LHR-SYD (or SYD-LHR) segment and as well as including JNB in the itinerary with a valid routing?

The only way I can find to do it violates the routing rules (as I understand them) by entering TC2 twice.

KHT-AMM-LHR-SYD-JNB-HKG-LAX-JFK-GRU-SCL-(x)LAX-(x)LHR-DXB

Since I'm re-entering Asia (TC2) after leaving Europe/Mid-East (TC2), I believe this makes the routing invalid.

Also, I would prefer to start the trip KHT-AMM-DXB-LHR rather than KHT-AMM-LHR but seem to remember reading a rule that specified you could only have two segments in the continent of origin before departing. Is this still the case?

I'd appreciate any advice or help anyone might have.
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The rules of the Oneworld Exporer ticket are here

Rule 2(b) says "Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 - TC2 - TC3"
Your suggested itinerary violates this rule: your flight LHR-SYD takes you from TC2 to TC3 and then your flight SYD-JNB takes you back to TC2 (and then JNB-HKG takes you back to TC3 again!)

The only way I can think of to get both JNB and SYD-LHR (or v.v.) into a valid itinerary is to make use of the rule (Rule 2(e)3) that allows a transit of Europe to get to/from certain African countries. This will work:
KRT-AMM-LHR-SYD-HKG-LAX-JFK-GRU-SCL-xLAX-xLHR-NBO,JNB-LHR-DXB. But you'd have to make your own way from NBO to JNB

You are allowed only two stopovers in the continent of origin (Rule 6). But you are allowed whatever number of flight segments is allowed for the continent (in the case of Europe that is 4 - Rule 2(h))

My suggested itinerary has 14 segments, leaving two more to use (in true FT spirit, one mustn't waste these!) Also I'd suggest HKG-JFK-LAX instead of HKG-LAX-JFK - more time in CX F and of course miles earned. Maybe ...HKG-xJFK-GRU-SCL-LAX-JFK...

Mileage Monkey is good for playing around with itineraries
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Old Oct 26, 12, 4:32 am
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Originally Posted by pianoperson
i went to the links you mention about online check-in and have you tried it ?
heh heh. No, since I don't have any booking at the moment, I didn't even try to 'check in now'. On your suggestion, I have now looked at the drop-down 'Origin' list and I see what you mean.

All in all, it looks like what you save in money with an ex-KRT xONEx, you pay double in aggro. I think I'll go back to the previous iteration of my plan and start from AMM.

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Old Oct 26, 12, 5:44 am
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Originally Posted by pandaperth View Post
The rules of the Oneworld Exporer ticket are here

Rule 2(b) says "Travel must be in a continuous forward direction between TC1 - TC2 - TC3"
Your suggested itinerary violates this rule: your flight LHR-SYD takes you from TC2 to TC3 and then your flight SYD-JNB takes you back to TC2 (and then JNB-HKG takes you back to TC3 again!)

The only way I can think of to get both JNB and SYD-LHR (or v.v.) into a valid itinerary is to make use of the rule (Rule 2(e)3) that allows a transit of Europe to get to/from certain African countries. This will work:
KRT-AMM-LHR-SYD-HKG-LAX-JFK-GRU-SCL-xLAX-xLHR-NBO,JNB-LHR-DXB. But you'd have to make your own way from NBO to JNB

You are allowed only two stopovers in the continent of origin (Rule 6). But you are allowed whatever number of flight segments is allowed for the continent (in the case of Europe that is 4 - Rule 2(h))

My suggested itinerary has 14 segments, leaving two more to use (in true FT spirit, one mustn't waste these!) Also I'd suggest HKG-JFK-LAX instead of HKG-LAX-JFK - more time in CX F and of course miles earned. Maybe ...HKG-xJFK-GRU-SCL-LAX-JFK...

Mileage Monkey is good for playing around with itineraries
Thank you very much. This is brilliant.
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Old Oct 26, 12, 6:58 am
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Thank you very much. This is brilliant.
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Old Oct 26, 12, 8:00 pm
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The issue is whether you want to deal with the AA RTW desk over the phone from start to finish, or whether you want to have a priced itinerary with locator, and then call the AA RTW desk just to make changes. The tool currently kicks out errors that prohibits one from getting anything reserved at all unless you deal with its bugs (i.e. avoid intra-continent RTs) or misprices if you end your itinerary in certain cities. With a 16-segment trip I prefer the DIY approach, with discussion limited to one or two issues/improvements, so that an agent can see the overall trip without my having to spend an hour or so on the phone with them to get it to that point. YMMV
I've always done my AONEx tix on paper first (checking availability in A class through EF), then by phone with the AA RTW desk. Friendly and knowledgeable agents who are a pleasure to work with. At least that's my experience with them.
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Old Oct 26, 12, 8:36 pm
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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone had some ideas on how to improve/maximize the itinerary below?

Background - I have broken the trip up into a few chunks to turn it into three, possibly four, vacations. I am based in YOW.

KRT-AMM-YUL-MIA-GCM-MIA-YYZ-LAX-MEL-BNE-CNS-SYD-HKG-CMB-AMM-KRT

Plans
KRT - TWOV from a TK flight
AMM - Stopover for 5 days or so mainly to see Petra
YUL - Stopover for a few weeks/months to head back to YOW
GCM - Long weekend trip to get some sun and go scuba diving (could be anywhere)
YYZ - Another stopover for a few weeks/months similar to the one in YOW
MEL - Maybe time it to go see the Australian Open
BNE - Never been there so why not
CNS - main purpose of Oz sidetrip (Great Reef scuba)
SYD - Maybe stay otherwise would prob switch to the direct flight to HKG
HKG - Transit point to CMB only
CMB - Possibly scuba diving, also a possible spot to break up the trip with the good premium fares originating from here (but it would probably be better just to get back to KRT to start another DONE or AONE possibly)
AMM - No stopover this time
KRT - Start another DONE with South America as the main target

I would like to travel starting next September so would just book the first two legs with firm dates until later dates open up. I will have about 4 weeks vacation from work to spread the trip over.

This prices with about $1100 in taxes but I am guessing that I can't trim that too much since I am already avoiding BA where I can.

Other than visiting a lot of great places, this trip would also be an introduction to OneWorld after becoming disillusioned with AC. It would be a good starting point to getting status over in this neck of the woods.

Thanks for any advice.
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Old Oct 26, 12, 10:02 pm
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Hello,
I was wondering if anyone had some ideas on how to improve/maximize the itinerary below?
(snip)
Thanks for any advice.
Welcome to this neck of the woods SensFan
You dont explicitly say it, but Im assuming youre considering a DONE4 (not an AONE4)
I'm also assuming youre a bit time poor (only 4 weeks vacation to spread the whole trip over you poor thing)
Some thoughts that occurred to me are:
In to YUL; out to GCM; in to YYZ - there is no restriction on multiple stopovers at the same place, so if it is more convenient you can return to YUL rather than YYZ

YYZ-LAX-MEL you dont say if you want to stopover in LAX but assuming you dont care too much and that youre after plenty of good premium cabin time perhaps consider YYZ-xHKG-SYD, which will be CXs great premium cabin and then either CX again or QFs A380 on the HKG-SYD leg

Visiting Australia in January (which is when the open is on) good time of year for SYD and MEL, but maybe not so good for BNE and CNS; rainy season, chance of cyclones, I'm no scuba diver so cannot comment on that aspect. Perhaps consider later in the year when the weather is better in the North and, compared to YOW, the weather in the South is very mild (Ive been in YYZ & YQT in Feb SYD/MEL in Jul/Aug is nothing like that!)

Remember you have 12 months from the date of the first flight; so if you spread it out more, would you have more vacation time?

If you did decide to spread it out, then my thoughts are:
  • Drop the intra-Australian flights QFs domestic J product is nothing special, the flights aren't long, and economy fares are reasonably priced so purchase them separately
  • Use the segments freed up to have a few more Nth American side trips over the winter. In this regard, there are plenty of direct flights out of JFK to various warm spots, so consider KRT-AMM-JFK-(up to 6 segments, i.e. 3 return trips)-JFK-xHKG/LAX-SYD/MEL/BNE, or JFK-SYD direct (but thats a B747 not an A380)
  • Maybe have a second stopover in the Middle East/Europe at the start, for instance KRT-AMM-MAD-JFK or KRT-AMM-MCT-AMM-JFK
  • Maybe extend the Asian leg - between Australia and CMB, you could look at adding NRT/SIN/BKK
So many options

$1100 in taxes sounds about right; Ive just paid just over $1,000 for my 13 flight ex-KRT DONE4 (booking through the AA RTW desk seems to reduce the taxes by about $300)

Finally status. Assuming youre considering AAs AAdvantage program since you'll be flying partly in calendar 2103 and partly in calendar 2014, youre likely to only achieve Gold status. Which is not too flash. I dont know much about other OW programs.

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Old Oct 27, 12, 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by JohnAx View Post
I'd rather do a turn than spend time in the region, though. Having gotten more serious I need to go back and review this thread to see how people have managed in that process. Turning around with RJ would be ideal since bags could presumably be left behind in AMM but I'm also trying to build a table of other KRT arrivals; many carriers don't fly daily so for instance I didn't even realize that Ethiopian flew the route.
I also would not want to spend any time in KRT or the area, so want to do a same-day TWOV. Checking EF I see a number of options, including FRA-KRT (I use EF's +/- 3 days to see flight possibilities that aren't every day).

My plan is to leave all my bags in LHR or FRA or some place, go to KRT to start the trip, then go back to retrieve everything. I'll need a duplicate passport (without TLV stamps) but hope there won't be any issue with transit (as opposed to entry visa) using a U.S. passport.

Originally Posted by lerasp View Post
just booked AONE3 ex-KRT. While speaking with AA RTW desk, the agent mentioned that they've been getting many calls about ex-KRT itineraries and are "aware of the advantageous pricing and are in the process of reviewing it". no idea what it means, but thought i'd pass it on. This was said without any questions from me or without any prompting. As soon as I said "KRT", the agent put me on hold and then came back shortly with the above statement.
so for anyone on the fence, i suggested do it ealier rather than later.
Yikes! I've already ticketed my 2013 DONE4 with some painful upgrades so I don't want to junk it. I want to do a 2014 ex-KRT AONE4 but of course that can't be booked until Feb 1, unless I waste some of the segments by flying in 2013, when I won't need them.

Originally Posted by joepubli View Post
Yes thats right. Mine is endng in Abud Dhabi. It needs to be in Middle East - for some reason choosing Amman gives a much higher price.
Can I end in TLV?
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Old Oct 27, 12, 7:30 am
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Originally Posted by pandaperth View Post
Welcome to this neck of the woods SensFan
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Hope you find some of this useful
Thanks for all the advice, it is very useful. It is a DONE4 that I am looking at. Hopefully I will be able to add an extra 6 weeks of time off to that but for now I will have to plan it on 4 weeks (plus another 4 once I get to April 2014).

I really like the idea of dropping the intra-Australia flights, that would give me a couple of more Caribbean getaways, brilliant. The only thing that I am really after in Oz is seeing the Great Barrier Reef before it is gone. I've already been the Open.

I would much rather get away during the NA winter than during the summer but I may not have much choice.

I will start looking into status later on. Hopefully I can time it so that I can do a chAAllenge.

Thanks again for all of the tips. They will keep me busy this weekend thinking up new combinations.
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Can I end in TLV?
Reading about other FT:ers having problems starting the XONEX in ME and finishing in another ME destination, which IS allowed, I found myself there as well. Calling AA RTW desk solved it all. TLV, DOH, MCT all coming in
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I also would not want to spend any time in KRT or the area, so want to do a same-day TWOV. Checking EF I see a number of options, including FRA-KRT (I use EF's +/- 3 days to see flight possibilities that aren't every day).
I'm looking at an MS flight from CAI which will have you on the ground in KRT for only three or four hours before the RJ flight departs.


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Can I end in TLV?
You can, but I'm not sure that I'd want TLV in the itinerary if I'm going to KRT. What happens if Immigration wants to see your itinerary? At some point next year, we'll have QR, too.
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Old Oct 28, 12, 6:13 am
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Ok guys, I'm about to pull the trigger on a DONE4 ex-KRT...

So, routing and ticketing aside, I have a couple of KRT logistics questions. I appreciate that some of this may have been touched on earlier (I have read literally every post in this thread, and more), however as a few FTers have now been through KRT there are hopefully some further insights to be had...

1. I understand the "6 hour rule", and the need to be departing from KRT to a destination that you did not arrive from. Thankfully I've found a flight from DXB on FlyDubai that provides a 5.5 hour transit. Does anyone have any idea as to the sort of "facilities" available between 12am and 5:30am? (some of the KRT reviews on the internet refer to the old airport, not the new intl' terminal)

2. I will have checked luggage with me - will there be any issues? No idea what the process will be re: collecting luggage and re-checking it in.

3. What happens if for whatever reason I miss the first leg of my DONE4 from KRT? (e.g. my flight DXB-KRT is cancelled or delayed, they don't let me into the country (Sudan) for whatever reason, etc. etc.). Assume this becomes a travel insurance issue, and providing my bookings met all of the relevant requirements I'll be fine?

4. I'm considering purchasing an "Airport Entry Permit" as a bit of an insurance policy, that way I can obtain a VoA if needed. Thoughts?
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Old Oct 28, 12, 6:21 am
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Ok guys, I'm about to pull the trigger on a DONE4 ex-KRT...


3. What happens if for whatever reason I miss the first leg of my DONE4 from KRT? (e.g. my flight DXB-KRT is cancelled or delayed, they don't let me into the country (Sudan) for whatever reason, etc. etc.). Assume this becomes a travel insurance issue, and providing my bookings met all of the relevant requirements I'll be fine?
Hmmm...It appears that because Sudan is on DFAT's (Australia) "Do not travel" list my insurance will not cover me there anyway. Makes missed connections/delays, etc. a bit risky.
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Old Oct 28, 12, 2:27 pm
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From chatting to others who have done this there are minimal facilities in the Arrivals Hall - you are held there until checkin is open for your outgoing flight - which might be several hours depending
The procedures after that vary I believe - you might be escorted landside to check-in yourself and then escorted back or the authorities might organize check-in depending on how much time you have

I've not spoken to anyone that has done this with anything other than carry-on luggage - and I would certainly not attempt it with checked luggage myself - just one more complication to add to an already far from straightfoward transit
You can check to see if the incoming and outgoing airlines interline bags but I suspect not.
In which case most likely your bags would have to be retrieved and then checked in again - and I can't say how that would work - others might know.

I was not aware that the new airport/terminal had opened yet .....
perhaps it has but nobody has yet mentioned that

Not sure about missing the first flight of your RTW - it might count as a no show in which case it's the standard 123 us dollar reissue fee - and just pray that OW have not increased the fare - that could be a vvv expensive deal if so !!

I've thought about doing it and also getting an airport entry permit on arrival - the issue with that will be paying for it in advance - the guy I have emailed says pay on arrival in US dollars cash ....

Anyway sorry I can't be more helpful but hopefully someone who has done it recently might be able to provide more specific answers
But whatever we all need to book sooner rather than later i suspect !



Originally Posted by uproared View Post
Ok guys, I'm about to pull the trigger on a DONE4 ex-KRT...

So, routing and ticketing aside, I have a couple of KRT logistics questions. I appreciate that some of this may have been touched on earlier (I have read literally every post in this thread, and more), however as a few FTers have now been through KRT there are hopefully some further insights to be had...

1. I understand the "6 hour rule", and the need to be departing from KRT to a destination that you did not arrive from. Thankfully I've found a flight from DXB on FlyDubai that provides a 5.5 hour transit. Does anyone have any idea as to the sort of "facilities" available between 12am and 5:30am? (some of the KRT reviews on the internet refer to the old airport, not the new intl' terminal)

2. I will have checked luggage with me - will there be any issues? No idea what the process will be re: collecting luggage and re-checking it in.

3. What happens if for whatever reason I miss the first leg of my DONE4 from KRT? (e.g. my flight DXB-KRT is cancelled or delayed, they don't let me into the country (Sudan) for whatever reason, etc. etc.). Assume this becomes a travel insurance issue, and providing my bookings met all of the relevant requirements I'll be fine?

4. I'm considering purchasing an "Airport Entry Permit" as a bit of an insurance policy, that way I can obtain a VoA if needed. Thoughts?
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