AONE4 from Khartoum
#196
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
The only 'exploit' I'm aware of is that the carrier that issues the xONEx ticket appears to be free to apply their own surcharge rules to the entire thing - a weird bit of book-keeping if I ever saw one - so people used to prefer to use AA because they were still not playing the YQ/YR game. That's changed somewhat since they've officially partnered with BA/IB.
#198
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,436
Any specifics that would help to remove those huge charges from xONEx tickets (or any other) would be greatly appreciated. There's a secret society operating in another forum dedicated to finding routings that'll make those charges magically disappear, but they purposely speak in tongues lest the airlines catch on and fix their loopholes. If you're willing to share any of their secrets openly or by PM, I'm all (electronic) ears.
The only 'exploit' I'm aware of is that the carrier that issues the xONEx ticket appears to be free to apply their own surcharge rules to the entire thing - a weird bit of book-keeping if I ever saw one - so people used to prefer to use AA because they were still not playing the YQ/YR game. That's changed somewhat since they've officially partnered with BA/IB.
The only 'exploit' I'm aware of is that the carrier that issues the xONEx ticket appears to be free to apply their own surcharge rules to the entire thing - a weird bit of book-keeping if I ever saw one - so people used to prefer to use AA because they were still not playing the YQ/YR game. That's changed somewhat since they've officially partnered with BA/IB.
#199
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2008
Programs: AA EXP/LTP, BA GGL/CCR/GfL, HH D/LTD, SPG/MR Plat/LTP
Posts: 10,075
For all of us hoping BA would integrate (and continue) the BD flight LHR-KRT, a message on BA's website is sad to read:
Due to poor revenue performance, bmi’s services to Khartoum will be suspended from 1 October 2012.
#200
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
Your advice to travel least on the ticketing carrier is interesting and the first time I've seen it said. Afaik, ticketing with BA and never flying them would still yield a full slate of YQ's, while ticketing with AA and flying AA (used to) yield a low-cost trip. But times do change. Does a formal element of the pricing process yield the "don't fly the ticketing carrier" savings, or are you looking for agent errors?
#201
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,436
The secret society is at Mileage Run Discussion/Trick it... Enjoy.
Your advice to travel least on the ticketing carrier is interesting and the first time I've seen it said. Afaik, ticketing with BA and never flying them would still yield a full slate of YQ's, while ticketing with AA and flying AA (used to) yield a low-cost trip. But times do change. Does a formal element of the pricing process yield the "don't fly the ticketing carrier" savings, or are you looking for agent errors?
Your advice to travel least on the ticketing carrier is interesting and the first time I've seen it said. Afaik, ticketing with BA and never flying them would still yield a full slate of YQ's, while ticketing with AA and flying AA (used to) yield a low-cost trip. But times do change. Does a formal element of the pricing process yield the "don't fly the ticketing carrier" savings, or are you looking for agent errors?
#202
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: SFO
Programs: AA Now dirt, BA Silver soon dirt EX NW IGE. EX BA Gold EX AA EXP x9. SQ Gold
Posts: 577
CX vs AA YR/YQ
Had CX price out my first ex JNB RTW several RTW ago, the taxes were 35% more than AA ex. JNB. I think you offered a very clear explanation JohnAx!
I had 4 CX segments, and I guess CX charged full taxes and AA did not. I also booked the CX segments as AA code share where I could...
"Magic key strokes of the secret society?"
Cheers!
WOW these KRT AoneX's has me looking at RTW tickets again.
$861. Sudan stamp may explain why the taxes ex KRT are higher than CAI or JMB
#203
Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 8,937
Some examples I've found this way:
- SYD-LAX on QF metal: $175 less on AA than QF
- LAX-MEL on QF metal: $724 less on QF than on AA
- DFW-NRT on AA metal: $20 less on JL than on AA
- HKG-LAX on CX metal: $157 less on AA than CX
- LHR-JNB on BA metal: $318 more on BA (lost my note as to if the comparison was to AA or IB)
#204
Join Date: Aug 2004
Programs: AA (EP), Hilton (Diamond), Marriott Bonvoy (Titanium)
Posts: 8,937
Is this true? Conventional wisdom here on FT is that it's best to pick the ticketing carrier; BA is considered one of the worst, while AA is considered one of the best. Then, pick the selling carrier for flights where code shares are possible, e.g., to avoid BA codes.
#205
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: TPE / HSZ
Programs: CX GO (=SPH), IHG Diamond Amb, Hertz 5*, Accor, Hilton, National
Posts: 6,436
Please see my reason per post 201. Of course, routing and carrier matters and what is the best can vary a lot. Also, I am not denying that AA is in many cases the best choice.
#206
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SEA
Programs: BA Gold, Hyatt Glob, MR Plat, HH Diamond, IHG Amb
Posts: 443
Tried to use the OW online tool to plan a sample itinerary ex-KRT and it prices to more than 12K USD. Is there a way to set the currency/billing location to get a better idea of the cost if purchased in Canada, for example? Or do I need to call AA RTW desk?
#207
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Juneau, Alaska.
Programs: AS 75K;BA Silver;AA G;HH Dia;HY Glob
Posts: 15,792
No. The tool will do that based upon your starting point.
#208
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: SEA
Programs: BA Gold, Hyatt Glob, MR Plat, HH Diamond, IHG Amb
Posts: 443
If I look at AONE4 ex-KRT fare in ExpertFlyer, it shows the base fare to be 4621 USD. I just created a simple itinerary in OW tool, KRT-AMM-LHR-JFK-SFO-xLAX-SYD-HKG-xBKK-AMM, and it shows this:
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
#209
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Juneau, Alaska.
Programs: AS 75K;BA Silver;AA G;HH Dia;HY Glob
Posts: 15,792
AONE4 AA A Round-Trip 4621.00(USD) F
#210
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: LONDON
Programs: AA PLAT
Posts: 126
Visa needed?
I (British National) am looking to arrive in Khartoum at 01:00 from Istanbul and leave for Amman at 05:25.
Some of the posts talk about no visa being required if transiting within 6 hours. According to http://www.worldtravelguide.net/sudan/passport-visa
"Visas for Sudan are required by all nationals referred to in the chart above, except transit passengers continuing there journey from Sudan within 24 hours."
Can anyone say for sure whether I need to get a visa beforehand. The London Embassy offers a Transit Visa for 1-7 days stay but I have no idea how long it takes to get it.
Some of the posts talk about no visa being required if transiting within 6 hours. According to http://www.worldtravelguide.net/sudan/passport-visa
"Visas for Sudan are required by all nationals referred to in the chart above, except transit passengers continuing there journey from Sudan within 24 hours."
Can anyone say for sure whether I need to get a visa beforehand. The London Embassy offers a Transit Visa for 1-7 days stay but I have no idea how long it takes to get it.