AONE4 from Khartoum
Oct 24, 2012, 8:07 am
#331
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,464
I've just pulled the fares for KRT and PER from KVS into a spreadsheet and compared them
Economy fares ex-KRT are 1/3rd the fares from PER
Business and First fares 1/5 to 1/4 the fares from PER
Extreme example:
AONE4 ex-KRT is AUD3700
LONE4 ex-PER is AUD3899 !!!!
LONE4 ex-PER is AUD3899 !!!!
Oct 24, 2012, 9:13 am
#332
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
I'm disappointed to hear that $75 (or whatever the fee mentioned was) buys only the keystrokes needed to turn a priced pnr into an e-ticket.
Oct 24, 2012, 6:42 pm
#334
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: LONDON
Programs: AA PLAT
Posts: 126
Oct 24, 2012, 6:44 pm
#335
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: LONDON
Programs: AA PLAT
Posts: 126
Yes thats right. Mine is endng in Abud Dhabi. It needs to be in Middle East - for some reason choosing Amman gives a much higher price.
Oct 24, 2012, 7:04 pm
#336
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,464
+1^
Naeem took all of fours hours from go to whoa to ticket our DONE4 tickets
So really - the whole process was pretty painless
Naeem took all of fours hours from go to whoa to ticket our DONE4 tickets
So really - the whole process was pretty painless
- 20 mins on the phone to the AA RTW desk to make the booking
- 5 mins on the phone 48hrs later to get the price in CAD
- a bit of email ping pong with Naeem to pay and get it ticketed
Oct 24, 2012, 7:12 pm
#337
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Brisbane
Programs: QFF
Posts: 137
Perhaps conflict and unrest in Khartoum should be considered by people planning for ex-KRT travel:
"Military Factory Bombed in Sudan’s Capital"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/wo...oum.html?_r=1&
"Military Factory Bombed in Sudan’s Capital"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/wo...oum.html?_r=1&
Oct 25, 2012, 12:15 am
#338
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
The U.S. State Department http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p...w/tw_5768.html posted this on 15 September and I didn't find a "we're now open" advisory, but on their Khartoum site http://sudan.usembassy.gov/ it appears that they've re-opened for business, apparently including dependents at least 21 years old:
Their warnings are generally for travel outside Khartoum, notwithstanding that small matter of the embassy being attacked.
Australia provides travel advice too: http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-c...w/Advice/Sudan. Succinctly: for Khartoum "reconsider your need to travel"; outside the city, "Do not travel".
Note that I'm not climbing on a soap-box telling anyone not to travel; I'm considering originating there myself, but will not spend more time on the ground than absolutely necessary and will surely be carrying my GlobalRescue card.
My post is just in case anyone doesn't realize that State does have a charter to protect citizens and publishes generally candid assessments of travel risks.
Emergency Message for U.S. Citizens – Departure of U.S. government personnel
The U.S. Embassy alerts U.S. citizens that on September 15, 2012, the Department of State ordered the departure of all dependents of U.S. direct hire personnel and all non-emergency U.S. government personnel from Sudan, following the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum. The airport in Khartoum is open and commercial service is available. The Embassy is closed for all Consular Services until further notice.
U.S. citizens are reminded to exercise caution at all times and closely monitor local events through reliable local and international news sources. Because even peaceful demonstrations can turn confrontational and become violent, U.S. citizens are advised to avoid all public demonstrations and political rallies as well as areas around them. You should keep a low profile, vary your travel times and routes, exercise care while driving, and avoid areas where large crowds are gathering.
U.S. citizens should not come to the U.S. Embassy for any reason. For U.S. citizen emergencies in Sudan, please call 0187-022000 (local). Press "0" or remain on the line.
The U.S. Embassy alerts U.S. citizens that on September 15, 2012, the Department of State ordered the departure of all dependents of U.S. direct hire personnel and all non-emergency U.S. government personnel from Sudan, following the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Khartoum. The airport in Khartoum is open and commercial service is available. The Embassy is closed for all Consular Services until further notice.
U.S. citizens are reminded to exercise caution at all times and closely monitor local events through reliable local and international news sources. Because even peaceful demonstrations can turn confrontational and become violent, U.S. citizens are advised to avoid all public demonstrations and political rallies as well as areas around them. You should keep a low profile, vary your travel times and routes, exercise care while driving, and avoid areas where large crowds are gathering.
U.S. citizens should not come to the U.S. Embassy for any reason. For U.S. citizen emergencies in Sudan, please call 0187-022000 (local). Press "0" or remain on the line.
Australia provides travel advice too: http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-c...w/Advice/Sudan. Succinctly: for Khartoum "reconsider your need to travel"; outside the city, "Do not travel".
Note that I'm not climbing on a soap-box telling anyone not to travel; I'm considering originating there myself, but will not spend more time on the ground than absolutely necessary and will surely be carrying my GlobalRescue card.
My post is just in case anyone doesn't realize that State does have a charter to protect citizens and publishes generally candid assessments of travel risks.
Oct 25, 2012, 5:08 am
#339
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampere
Programs: BA EC Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 3,233
Originally Posted by lerasp
Has anyone here done a TWOV (Transit without visa) in Khartoum? Contemplating the following:
arrive on ET from ADD at 1:50am, depart on RJ to AMM at 6:25am
Still concerned what the last point means re: onward carrier notifying immigration.
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Holders of onward tickets for a max.
transit For details, click here time of 6 hours.
- The onward carrier is required to report the onward booking
to the Immigration Authorities.
Does anyone know who would be able to provide the information? I will try to call RJ, but not expecting much help. Not sure who else may have the info.
arrive on ET from ADD at 1:50am, depart on RJ to AMM at 6:25am
Still concerned what the last point means re: onward carrier notifying immigration.
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Holders of onward tickets for a max.
transit For details, click here time of 6 hours.
- The onward carrier is required to report the onward booking
to the Immigration Authorities.
Does anyone know who would be able to provide the information? I will try to call RJ, but not expecting much help. Not sure who else may have the info.
The confusing thing in the above-quoted rule is the bit about the 'onward carrier'. If TK are worried about letting me board at HEL (or IST) without a Sudanese visa, I will have my onward ticket and BP to show them. But how does RJ, the onward carrier, get in the game before I show up at KRT? Of course, if they looked, they would be able to see that I had checked in online -- but, as lerasp says, what about getting them to tell the Sudanese?
There's another factor which I haven't seen raised yet in this discussion, and that is -- what exactly is airside transit like at KRT? Do you come off the airbridge (or, perhaps more likely, off the bus) into the terminal, check the monitor for your next flight's gate info, and just go there (or to the lounge)? Or is it perhaps like in America, where there is no airside transit and all arriving international pax have to go through pass control? If the former, how do they even know how long it is (or has been) between your flights?
Maybe someone who has actually been to/through KRT could brief us on the procedure?
cheers,
Henry
Oct 25, 2012, 8:30 am
#340
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: LAX
Posts: 3,639
Not useful, but an amusing tale re a visit to Khartoum by a traveler with connections there: http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntre...readID=2263054
This traveler's blog points out that getting a Sudanese visa in Cairo is (relatively) quick and easy: http://whereiskachangas.weebly.com/3...ion-sudan.html
but another contributed this (June 2012):
This traveler's blog points out that getting a Sudanese visa in Cairo is (relatively) quick and easy: http://whereiskachangas.weebly.com/3...ion-sudan.html
but another contributed this (June 2012):
Re visas for Americans: I was denied my visa in both Cairo and Aswan for Sudan. All other nationalities had their visas within an hour.
They wanted me to have a Sudanese sponsor with written verification, that I didnt have. They said they would send my application to Khartoum and have an answer back within two weeks.
If you are American, be prepared with this letter. Price for visa in Aswan is $50 US or 300 EL.
They wanted me to have a Sudanese sponsor with written verification, that I didnt have. They said they would send my application to Khartoum and have an answer back within two weeks.
If you are American, be prepared with this letter. Price for visa in Aswan is $50 US or 300 EL.
Last edited by JohnAx; Oct 25, 2012 at 8:53 am Reason: add another link
Oct 25, 2012, 10:16 am
#341
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: London
Programs: AA EXP, SPG Plt
Posts: 2,607
Thanks to all in this thread. Booked my ex-KRT DONE4 this AM with a 24 hour stopover in Khartoum just to see the place. Going for a visa in London tomorrow - hopefully the embassy likes US citizens w/ UK residence permits.
Oct 25, 2012, 12:53 pm
#342
Original Poster
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: New Zealand
Programs: AA ExPlat
Posts: 184
HI
I'm not sure that you can check in online for flights ex AMM ....
when I've gone to that on the RJ website KRT does not come up as an option ..... but I hope I might be wrong!
You can contact RJ at KRT airport - there is an email address on the RJ website under contacts etc
They will tell you to email them your incoming and outgoing itineraries ....
I have communicated with them about a possible forthcoming trip and have had prompt and helpful responses.
There is more information about the transit earlier on in this long thread but I think your expectations are not in the right ballpark ..... this is by reputation and anecdote one of the worst airports in the world ....
I believe you inform an Immigration Official that you are in transit and then you are in their hands .... they will eventually bus you over to departures to check in and then escort you back through airside - or I believe sometimes they organize check-in for you.
One poster on here who has done it successfully - said that it is not for the faint-hearted .....
Whatever it sounds like you need to be prepared for a bit of an adventure to do this !
I'm not sure that you can check in online for flights ex AMM ....
when I've gone to that on the RJ website KRT does not come up as an option ..... but I hope I might be wrong!
You can contact RJ at KRT airport - there is an email address on the RJ website under contacts etc
They will tell you to email them your incoming and outgoing itineraries ....
I have communicated with them about a possible forthcoming trip and have had prompt and helpful responses.
There is more information about the transit earlier on in this long thread but I think your expectations are not in the right ballpark ..... this is by reputation and anecdote one of the worst airports in the world ....
I believe you inform an Immigration Official that you are in transit and then you are in their hands .... they will eventually bus you over to departures to check in and then escort you back through airside - or I believe sometimes they organize check-in for you.
One poster on here who has done it successfully - said that it is not for the faint-hearted .....
Whatever it sounds like you need to be prepared for a bit of an adventure to do this !
I'm looking at a similar plan: arriving on TK (HEL-ist-KRT) at 0220 and leaving on the RJ at 0625 (i.e., within the six hours). My departure from HEL is less than 24 hours before the departure from KRT so the RJ online check-in will be open and I expect to have my KRT-AMM BP printed before I leave HEL.
The confusing thing in the above-quoted rule is the bit about the 'onward carrier'. If TK are worried about letting me board at HEL (or IST) without a Sudanese visa, I will have my onward ticket and BP to show them. But how does RJ, the onward carrier, get in the game before I show up at KRT? Of course, if they looked, they would be able to see that I had checked in online -- but, as lerasp says, what about getting them to tell the Sudanese?
There's another factor which I haven't seen raised yet in this discussion, and that is -- what exactly is airside transit like at KRT? Do you come off the airbridge (or, perhaps more likely, off the bus) into the terminal, check the monitor for your next flight's gate info, and just go there (or to the lounge)? Or is it perhaps like in America, where there is no airside transit and all arriving international pax have to go through pass control? If the former, how do they even know how long it is (or has been) between your flights?
Maybe someone who has actually been to/through KRT could brief us on the procedure?
cheers,
Henry
The confusing thing in the above-quoted rule is the bit about the 'onward carrier'. If TK are worried about letting me board at HEL (or IST) without a Sudanese visa, I will have my onward ticket and BP to show them. But how does RJ, the onward carrier, get in the game before I show up at KRT? Of course, if they looked, they would be able to see that I had checked in online -- but, as lerasp says, what about getting them to tell the Sudanese?
There's another factor which I haven't seen raised yet in this discussion, and that is -- what exactly is airside transit like at KRT? Do you come off the airbridge (or, perhaps more likely, off the bus) into the terminal, check the monitor for your next flight's gate info, and just go there (or to the lounge)? Or is it perhaps like in America, where there is no airside transit and all arriving international pax have to go through pass control? If the former, how do they even know how long it is (or has been) between your flights?
Maybe someone who has actually been to/through KRT could brief us on the procedure?
cheers,
Henry
Oct 25, 2012, 9:43 pm
#343
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampere
Programs: BA EC Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 3,233
Thanks for your reply.
Looking at both
http://rj.com/en/web_check-in.html
and
http://rj.com/en/get_your_boarding_pass_online.html
there is no suggestion that this facility may be available for some departure airports but not for others. On the other hand, expecting it to happen but then finding on the day that for whatever reason it doesn't could well indeed introduce an unpleasant element of ... shall we say, chaos ... into the travel experience.
I think I found the anecdote to which you are referring ... from almost a year ago?!? From that report, it would seem that not very many people change planes at KRT! 
cheers,
Henry
Originally Posted by pianoperson;
I'm not sure that you can check in online for flights ex AMM ....
when I've gone to that on the RJ website KRT does not come up as an option ..... but I hope I might be wrong!
when I've gone to that on the RJ website KRT does not come up as an option ..... but I hope I might be wrong!
http://rj.com/en/web_check-in.html
and
http://rj.com/en/get_your_boarding_pass_online.html
there is no suggestion that this facility may be available for some departure airports but not for others. On the other hand, expecting it to happen but then finding on the day that for whatever reason it doesn't could well indeed introduce an unpleasant element of ... shall we say, chaos ... into the travel experience.
Originally Posted by pianoperson
There is more information about the transit earlier on in this long thread but I think your expectations are not in the right ballpark...
cheers,
Henry
Oct 26, 2012, 3:12 am
#344
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Brazil and Australia
Programs: AA EP; Formerly an Over-Entitled UA 1K MM until I wised-up and left UA for AA.
Posts: 208
AONE6 Routing Question ex Khartoum
Hi,
I could use a bit of help with my latest AONE6 (ex KHT) itinerary.
I the cities I want to include are LHR, SYD, JNB, HKG, LAX, JFK, GRU, SCL.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to include the LHR-SYD (or SYD-LHR) segment and as well as including JNB in the itinerary with a valid routing?
The only way I can find to do it violates the routing rules (as I understand them) by entering TC2 twice.
KHT-AMM-LHR-SYD-JNB-HKG-LAX-JFK-GRU-SCL-(x)LAX-(x)LHR-DXB
Since I'm re-entering Asia (TC2) after leaving Europe/Mid-East (TC2), I believe this makes the routing invalid.
Also, I would prefer to start the trip KHT-AMM-DXB-LHR rather than KHT-AMM-LHR but seem to remember reading a rule that specified you could only have two segments in the continent of origin before departing. Is this still the case?
I'd appreciate any advice or help anyone might have.
Thanks
I could use a bit of help with my latest AONE6 (ex KHT) itinerary.
I the cities I want to include are LHR, SYD, JNB, HKG, LAX, JFK, GRU, SCL.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to include the LHR-SYD (or SYD-LHR) segment and as well as including JNB in the itinerary with a valid routing?
The only way I can find to do it violates the routing rules (as I understand them) by entering TC2 twice.
KHT-AMM-LHR-SYD-JNB-HKG-LAX-JFK-GRU-SCL-(x)LAX-(x)LHR-DXB
Since I'm re-entering Asia (TC2) after leaving Europe/Mid-East (TC2), I believe this makes the routing invalid.
Also, I would prefer to start the trip KHT-AMM-DXB-LHR rather than KHT-AMM-LHR but seem to remember reading a rule that specified you could only have two segments in the continent of origin before departing. Is this still the case?
I'd appreciate any advice or help anyone might have.
Thanks
Oct 26, 2012, 4:06 am
#345
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Tampere
Programs: BA EC Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 3,233
Originally Posted by alemdohorizonte
KHT[sic]-AMM-LHR-SYD-JNB-HKG-LAX-JFK-GRU-SCL-(x)LAX-(x)LHR-DXB
You also don't say that you have to do the stops in this particular order, so could you please explain why you have ruled out the obvious: go to SYD after JNB and HKG. Problem solved -- at least according to the Mileage Monkey.
cheers,
Henry
