[PREM FARE GONE] AA A/F Fare: CMN-MIA - $741/$1159
Sep 15, 2021, 11:28 am
#331
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Sep 15, 2021, 12:34 pm
#332
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I'm confused. We all know about these great deals because we follow a public and relatively well known internet forum. The suggestion is airlines don't know about them (even though they create and manage the fares themselves) until a telephone sales operator at the airline tells the airline they made a mistake because someone just booked it over the phone
That probably sounded plausible 10 years ago. This may sound crazy, but maybe - just maybe - people in airlines have access to the internet and social media too?
I was surprised when I booked this fare (May 2022) that every seat in the F cabin on the TATL both ways was available for me to select - no doubt they sold a lot of these fares before it was pulled, but it certainly wasn't anywhere close to filling their premium cabin with low fare passengers
That probably sounded plausible 10 years ago. This may sound crazy, but maybe - just maybe - people in airlines have access to the internet and social media too?
I was surprised when I booked this fare (May 2022) that every seat in the F cabin on the TATL both ways was available for me to select - no doubt they sold a lot of these fares before it was pulled, but it certainly wasn't anywhere close to filling their premium cabin with low fare passengers
Sep 15, 2021, 12:36 pm
#333
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As for calling/not calling, I do know a few reservations agents and they do alert RM when they encounter a fare that looks too low, so probably these sorts of fares can come to someone's attention either by automated analysis or an agent alerting them. Probably a lot of phone agents don't notice or care, but some do.
Now, like I mentioned previously, let's just wait and see what new interesting fare eventually emerges as the next big thing. And no worries, no need for anyone to post about it here against their conviction on FT being just a waste of effort. Eventually the news emerges somewhere, be it here or elsewhere.
Sep 15, 2021, 12:48 pm
#334
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Given the fare rules - should I be able to call in and move from AA38/39 to the codeshare flights (AA6958/6957) for free since I'm not changing the the first segment and I'm not changing the route at all?
Sep 15, 2021, 12:53 pm
#335
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If it works, please let me know! :-)
Sep 15, 2021, 1:00 pm
#336
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Sep 16, 2021, 3:37 am
#338
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AND
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EUROPE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB.
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EUROPE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA
ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB.
Added: to avoid confusion the automated pricing (coding) is reading a 'first component' as a 'first coupon' in such relaxed cases from what I know.
Depends on the agent you get in touch this but it is less and less likely nowadays that an airline agent would be willing to make manual changes (without fare recalculation) especially if changes are made before departure.
Last edited by Keter; Sep 16, 2021 at 4:36 am Reason: mistakes corrected
Sep 16, 2021, 4:01 am
#339
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If you want BA metal over the pond you will also need to have MAD-LON or CMN-MAD (or both) booked as AA marketed operated by IB as this is what the fare rules require (in a strange way though so that even AA fare department 'intern' [and many of us including myself] did not get how GDS interprets the below text in a right way): ...
Sep 16, 2021, 4:40 am
#340
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And then here comes the art of working with codeshares:
1) You can find these flights only as connecting flights in most cases (but not in all cases and yes in this case). Do look for these
2) Booking such flights without a connection is an art too - not all agents know how to do it and not all agents will do it even if they know because there are other rules and laws that govern such flights and a person who has now full knowledge of those is not willing to do something which is not supposed to be done. My shortcut understanding that ANY such code share flight can be booked without a connection as long as it is part of the international ticket, however, not all share this view.
Sep 16, 2021, 4:55 am
#341
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Sep 16, 2021, 10:28 am
#342
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If you want BA metal over the pond you will also need to have MAD-LON or CMN-MAD (or both) booked as AA marketed operated by IB as this is what the fare rules require (in a strange way though so that even AA fare department 'intern' [and many of us including myself] did not get how GDS interprets the below text in a right way):
Also if you change before departure then normally the historical fares only apply to changes for other than first fare component (IATA reso 017f [corrected from 018f]), however, i have seen many airlines have relaxed this rule to 'other than first segment/ coupon' in practice even if fare rules refer to 'fare components'.
Added: to avoid confusion the automated pricing (coding) is reading a 'first component' as a 'first coupon' in such relaxed cases from what I know.
Depends on the agent you get in touch this but it is less and less likely nowadays that an airline agent would be willing to make manual changes (without fare recalculation) especially if changes are made before departure.
Also if you change before departure then normally the historical fares only apply to changes for other than first fare component (IATA reso 017f [corrected from 018f]), however, i have seen many airlines have relaxed this rule to 'other than first segment/ coupon' in practice even if fare rules refer to 'fare components'.
Added: to avoid confusion the automated pricing (coding) is reading a 'first component' as a 'first coupon' in such relaxed cases from what I know.
Depends on the agent you get in touch this but it is less and less likely nowadays that an airline agent would be willing to make manual changes (without fare recalculation) especially if changes are made before departure.
Code:
VOLUNTARY CHANGES
IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY
AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON
2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
3. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED
4. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
2. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED
3. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL
FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED
FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
MUST BE DOMESTIC
2. AA/AY/BA/IB FARES ARE USED
3. AA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL
FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND
ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
.
Sep 17, 2021, 9:56 am
#344
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An Interesting observation! It seems only full J/F/Y refer to 1st coupon (those with X indicator where one way price = 1/2 RT) while other fares refer to 1st fare component. Let's see what it actually means in practice.