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skibum7732 Oct 26, 2013 9:50 pm


Originally Posted by dogbyte (Post 21673309)
I assume these limits are separate from cash advances?

yes they are

tuphat Oct 27, 2013 8:56 am


Originally Posted by tuphat (Post 21672503)
Maybe everyone knows this already, but:

In addition to daily $5k spend limit specified in cardholder agreement, CSR told me that there are also weekly ($8k)' monthly ($10k), and annual ($45k) spending limits.

Clarify that CSR said these were debit spending limits. She said there were separate credit spending limits; I didn't write them down (since I usually cash out by MO purchases) but they were roughly the same dollar amounts. Also: she was not specific on reference frame (calendar or rolling).

Lemma Oct 27, 2013 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by Gargoyle (Post 21674731)
I called and was told there is a balance limit of $10k, but I could spend up the the limit at any time. I've charged over that in a single week on one card.

Before I got the personalized card, it was a $3k limit a day.

The limits appear to be new (or old, but newly enforced), as I had been doing more than that but now it's getting declined. I think the 8k/week limit was added first, and the 10k/month and 45k/year limits later.

Now I'm considering just CAing until I get shut down as the card is not so useful at only 45k/year. I might try doing the temp cards as I have a good relationship with my credit union and they would probably cash advance them for me even without a name on the card. Anyone know if MVD still allows this without registering the card? And do they still charge 50 cents for that or is it $1.95 now? I know they are doing $1.95 on the permanent cards now, but the only reports I can find of people CAing temp cards are from before that change. I don't know whether the CA fee is applied after or before the transaction goes through, so if I tried to CA $499.50 or $500 would it just be declined? If I can CA for $499.50 or $500 and pay $503.95 it would be worth it but if the max I could CA would be $498.05 I am better off just buying Visa GC for MO.

rdover1 Oct 27, 2013 3:31 pm


Originally Posted by Lemma (Post 21678034)
The limits appear to be new (or old, but newly enforced), as I had been doing more than that but now it's getting declined. I think the 8k/week limit was added first, and the 10k/month and 45k/year limits later.

Now I'm considering just CAing until I get shut down as the card is not so useful at only 45k/year. I might try doing the temp cards as I have a good relationship with my credit union and they would probably cash advance them for me even without a name on the card. Anyone know if MVD still allows this without registering the card? And do they still charge 50 cents for that or is it $1.95 now? I know they are doing $1.95 on the permanent cards now, but the only reports I can find of people CAing temp cards are from before that change. I don't know whether the CA fee is applied after or before the transaction goes through, so if I tried to CA $499.50 or $500 would it just be declined? If I can CA for $499.50 or $500 and pay $503.95 it would be worth it but if the max I could CA would be $498.05 I am better off just buying Visa GC for MO.


In my experience the CA fee comes after (up to a day after) and is $1.95. I know my CU where I do this regularly would still want to see a card with the name on it. They need to protect themselves too, no matter how much they like you.

Lemma Oct 27, 2013 4:34 pm


Originally Posted by rdover1 (Post 21678353)
In my experience the CA fee comes after (up to a day after) and is $1.95. I know my CU where I do this regularly would still want to see a card with the name on it. They need to protect themselves too, no matter how much they like you.

I'll give it a try and see what happens I guess. They do check ID and record address, DL number, and some other info for a CA even on a permanent card so that does give them some verification, and I'd be depositing the funds into an account with them. It's not like I am going in and asking for an anonymous CA at a place I don't have an account.

If they won't CA it, or it is declined, would I have to register the card and wait for a permanent one in the mail to get the funds off? I'm guessing I couldn't use the card as debit to buy MO, because I wouldn't have set a PIN and otherwise there'd be no point paying $4.95 for a GC, but I could use the card for a credit purchase to liquidate it and just eat the $3.95 (or $4.45 if it will only go through for $499.50), right?

Happy Oct 27, 2013 5:19 pm

CA is a CREDIT transaction in case nobody realizes this.

Have you guys actually read the receipts the banks handed back to you on the CA? BofA has this wording on the receipt: Credit Card, Visa Cash Advance. TD has this wording on the receipt:Credit Card, Visa Sale.

Buying MO is a DEBIT transaction (you use PIN).

Hope the matter is cleared now.

Happy Oct 27, 2013 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by Lemma (Post 21678034)
Now I'm considering just CAing until I get shut down as the card is not so useful at only 45k/year. I might try doing the temp cards as I have a good relationship with my credit union and they would probably cash advance them for me even without a name on the card.

The CA is a CREDIT Card transaction and is not including in the calculation of the limit if what the CSR told the poster was accurate about the limits are only imposed on DEBIT transaction.

Your CU no matter how friendly to you they are, they would not be thrilled to see you bring in a $500 generic card time and time again to ask for a CA.


Originally Posted by rdover1 (Post 21678353)
In my experience the CA fee comes after (up to a day after) and is $1.95. I know my CU where I do this regularly would still want to see a card with the name on it. They need to protect themselves too, no matter how much they like you.

Exactly. My branch knows me by my name and yet they still read the card with my DL each time - the tellers are monitored by security camera and they need to perform their duties as required. Else they would be fired in case something wrong happened and the video is reviewed (and the video does get to be reviewed when needed.)

craz Oct 27, 2013 5:47 pm


Originally Posted by Lemma (Post 21678034)

Now I'm considering just CAing until I get shut down as the card is not so useful at only 45k/year.

:confused: I see it as good as its always been at least for meeting the Spend on a new CC to get the bonus and for those who who will need to spend $25k a yr on a UA CC to get the min Spend waivered.

No sense killing either of those 2 unless a person doesnt plan to do either

Instead of simply buying VRs to no end.A person will simply have to plan their purchases to max out the $45k

Happy Oct 27, 2013 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by craz (Post 21679028)
:confused: I see it as good as its always been at least for meeting the Spend on a new CC to get the bonus and for those who who will need to spend $25k a yr on a UA CC to get the min Spend waivered.

No sense killing either of those 2 unless a person doesnt plan to do either

Instead of simply buying VRs to no end.A person will simply have to plan their purchases to max out the $45k

The $45K does not even come in play when one only does CA because the limit is on debit transaction and CA is not debit transaction. It is no different than you use your credit card to get cash advance when it comes to the process, except in the MVD case (or any real debit card linked to a checking account), the money is already in the account from which the cash is drawn, therefore you do not have a 3% cash advance fee like a Credit Card normally does. But the issuer of the debit card can certainly impose a fee and in MVD's case, it is the $1.95 fee.

I agree with you, it is a useful product and the $1.95 is no big deal when you are able to do multiple thousands at a time.

Lemma Oct 27, 2013 6:32 pm


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 21678936)
The CA is a CREDIT Card transaction and is not including in the calculation of the limit if what the CSR told the poster was accurate about the limits are only imposed on DEBIT transaction.

Hence why I mentioned using CA to exceed the 45k/year limit on debit. I've already done a few CAs when I expected to be able to use the card to purchase MO but it was declined. The subject of CAs being credit transactions does make me wonder if there will be some new limit on credit transactions too, and those who have maxed out the debit limit already and hit the credit limit too will be unable to liquidate the funds at all. All the more reason to try the temp cards.


Originally Posted by happy (Post 21678936)
Your CU no matter how friendly to you they are, they would not be thrilled to see you bring in a $500 generic card time and time again to ask for a CA.

I'll give it a try and see what happens. I don't think there is any downside risk as it's not like I am calling Incomm and asking them. The worst that could happen is they will say they can't do it and I will just go back to my usual methods. The CU knows I manufacture spending because I've answered questions honestly from everyone who works there, including the manager, about why I deposit large amounts of cash and money orders nearly every day they are open. That is what I meant by having a good relationship with them, not that they are friendly or know my name. They know that I deposit large amounts of MS funds and they are okay with it. I'm not sure why it would be worse to CA a $500 MVD or two versus depositing 5-10k in MO that could be counterfeit (and they trust me enough to make those MO deposits available immediately like cash with no hold). If they say no, or start objecting after I make it a frequent occurrence, no big deal, I'll just stick with GC and other prepaid card products.

If you can CA the full $500 with the $1.95 not being charged until the next day, though, I wonder if Incomm would ever have a way of coming after you for the $1.95 fee? With all the information recorded in a CA transaction, I'd be a little concerned about having tons of cards with a -$1.95 balance.


Originally Posted by craz
I see it as good as its always been at least for meeting the Spend on a new CC to get the bonus and for those who who will need to spend $25k a yr on a UA CC to get the min Spend waivered.

No sense killing either of those 2 unless a person doesnt plan to do either

Instead of simply buying VRs to no end.A person will simply have to plan their purchases to max out the $45k

At $45k/year this card is both more limited than Bluebird at 60k/year, and more expensive with the 50 cent transaction fee, which is why I said it was not so useful. Many people on this board are doing far more than that.

turnpike13 Oct 27, 2013 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by Lemma (Post 21679214)
Hence why I mentioned using CA to exceed the 45k/year limit on debit. I've already done a few CAs when I expected to be able to use the card to purchase MO but it was declined. The subject of CAs being credit transactions does make me wonder if there will be some new limit on credit transactions too, and those who have maxed out the debit limit already and hit the credit limit too will be unable to liquidate the funds at all. All the more reason to try the temp cards.



I'll give it a try and see what happens. I don't think there is any downside risk as it's not like I am calling Incomm and asking them. The worst that could happen is they will say they can't do it and I will just go back to my usual methods. The CU knows I manufacture spending because I've answered questions honestly from everyone who works there, including the manager, about why I deposit large amounts of cash and money orders nearly every day they are open. That is what I meant by having a good relationship with them, not that they are friendly or know my name. They know that I deposit large amounts of MS funds and they are okay with it. I'm not sure why it would be worse to CA a $500 MVD or two versus depositing 5-10k in MO that could be counterfeit (and they trust me enough to make those MO deposits available immediately like cash with no hold). If they say no, or start objecting after I make it a frequent occurrence, no big deal, I'll just stick with GC and other prepaid card products.

If you can CA the full $500 with the $1.95 not being charged until the next day, though, I wonder if Incomm would ever have a way of coming after you for the $1.95 fee? With all the information recorded in a CA transaction, I'd be a little concerned about having tons of cards with a -$1.95 balance.



At $45k/year this card is both more limited than Bluebird at 60k/year, and more expensive with the 50 cent transaction fee, which is why I said it was not so useful. Many people on this board are doing far more than that.

You are neglecting the fact that you can have up to 3 going (in your name) at the same time. While this makes things more tedious, it does mean that the per person limit is more like $135k per year.

Lemma Oct 27, 2013 8:17 pm


Originally Posted by turnpike13 (Post 21679531)
You are neglecting the fact that you can have up to 3 going (in your name) at the same time. While this makes things more tedious, it does mean that the per person limit is more like $135k per year.

You're right, it wasn't really a fair comparison to Bluebird because of the 3 cards/person limit, assuming they don't make the monthly/annual limits apply per person at some point soon since new limits seem to be popping up constantly. The 3 card/SSN limit is why I asked if I'd be able to liquidate the funds on a temp card without registering it by using the card as credit if the CA doesn't work (that and I'd rather not have the funds tied up waiting for a permanent card to come in the mail even if that weren't an issue).

dogbyte Oct 28, 2013 12:57 am


Originally Posted by turnpike13 (Post 21679531)
You are neglecting the fact that you can have up to 3 going (in your name) at the same time. While this makes things more tedious, it does mean that the per person limit is more like $135k per year.

So I can log onto the website and open another account with the same SS number and they will send me a card with a different number?

craz Oct 28, 2013 8:12 am


Originally Posted by Lemma (Post 21679214)

At $45k/year this card is both more limited than Bluebird at 60k/year, and more expensive with the 50 cent transaction fee, which is why I said it was not so useful. Many people on this board are doing far more than that.

you sound like youre the type of person who will drive 5 miles out of their since gas is 1 cent cheaper.

I may agree with you if all a person planned to do was $45 a yr. But if they will be doing the $60k with BB and $45k with MVD thats simply gravy to me. I hear ya to you an extra $10 is not worth a 1 way Y tkt to Europe(@ WM $2k in MOs 1 transaction means 22 transactions and its not worth the extra $11 to you. Doubt many folks will agree, but if that how you feel I hear ya but disagree with ya

craz Oct 28, 2013 8:13 am


Originally Posted by dogbyte (Post 21680437)
So I can log onto the website and open another account with the same SS number and they will send me a card with a different number?

Yep but you 1st need to buy 1 of the black temp cards and load it, then register it like you did with your 1st MVD


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