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LRD Oct 18, 2013 9:58 am


Originally Posted by dogbyte (Post 21628948)
So if you're buying MOs, the limit is 10k per month then so it is a POS transaction?

Yes, buying MOs is a POS/PIN transaction.

zenride Oct 18, 2013 11:07 am


Originally Posted by Ted King (Post 21628749)
Do tell. The receipt doesn't give enough info, I don't think.

I also don't think there is anything on the receipt to decode, as OP suggested. It was probably just a fluke at a particular WM as jiffyjiff stated.

FWIW, I actually did ask if there was any way to get a MO for no fee and was told no.

tuphat Oct 18, 2013 12:45 pm

Datapoint, FWIW --

I used MyV to make an estimated tax payment of $4990, through Official Payments, which charged me the flat $3.95 applicable to debit card transactions.

But ... the transaction shows up as two separate charges ($4990.00 and $3.95), so MyV charged me 50 cents for each one. B__tards.

kxc262 Oct 18, 2013 1:02 pm

I'm thinking about jumping this ship but I got 2 quick question about the fees.

Are you paying $3.95 on top of the VR reload fee?

My next question is are people using BP at WM to unload? I'm thinking about shying away from MO for various other reasons. WM is about 10 mins away from me too.

Any tips would be useful :) I read about the past 20 pages and I'm still confused lol.

sgideons Oct 18, 2013 1:23 pm


Originally Posted by kxc262 (Post 21630090)
I'm thinking about jumping this ship but I got 2 quick question about the fees.

Are you paying $3.95 on top of the VR reload fee?

My next question is are people using BP at WM to unload? I'm thinking about shying away from MO for various other reasons. WM is about 10 mins away from me too.

Any tips would be useful :) I read about the past 20 pages and I'm still confused lol.

WM bill pay is awesome. I do $2000 payments, haven't triggered any scrutiny so far. $1.88 for visa/mc, $1 for amex/discover, plus the $0.50 per MVD charge, CPD between 0.86 and 0.9 (http://freequentflyerbook.com/blog/2...d-spend-part-2).

Happy Oct 18, 2013 10:02 pm


Originally Posted by tuphat (Post 21629989)
Datapoint, FWIW --

I used MyV to make an estimated tax payment of $4990, through Official Payments, which charged me the flat $3.95 applicable to debit card transactions.

But ... the transaction shows up as two separate charges ($4990.00 and $3.95), so MyV charged me 50 cents for each one. B__tards.

The payment and service fee are processed as 2 items by Official Payments, and correctly so. $4990 get sent to tax authority, $3.95 get sent to the processor as the fee for providing this service.

So why is it a surprise to you that they show up as 2 transactions at MVD and correctly be charged $0.50 each?

Have you ever redeemed some airline awards over the phone and have to pay a phone booking fee? The taxes and the phone booking fee are charged separately despite the agent told you the lump sum - because the taxes and fees are not from the airlines which only act as agents to collect such on behalf of the governments and airports. The phone booking fee is from the airline as its service. Same concept as related to your tax payment.

TKKY Oct 18, 2013 10:25 pm


Originally Posted by zenride (Post 21629343)
I also don't think there is anything on the receipt to decode, as OP suggested. It was probably just a fluke at a particular WM as jiffyjiff stated.

FWIW, I actually did ask if there was any way to get a MO for no fee and was told no.

I can't think there is either. I asked the person who posted and didn't get a response.

tuphat Oct 19, 2013 6:50 am


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 21632132)
The payment and service fee are processed as 2 items by Official Payments, and correctly so. $4990 get sent to tax authority, $3.95 get sent to the processor as the fee for providing this service.

So why is it a surprise to you that they show up as 2 transactions at MVD and correctly be charged $0.50 each?

Have you ever redeemed some airline awards over the phone and have to pay a phone booking fee? The taxes and the phone booking fee are charged separately despite the agent told you the lump sum - because the taxes and fees are not from the airlines which only act as agents to collect such on behalf of the governments and airports. The phone booking fee is from the airline as its service. Same concept as related to your tax payment.

At the risk of belaboring the point: I am well aware of how total charge gets allocated btwn IRS and payment processor. But since from customer view there is only one (virtual ) swipe, it seems a bit greedy for MyV to double charge.

babycakes01 Oct 19, 2013 7:05 am


Originally Posted by tuphat (Post 21629989)
Datapoint, FWIW --

I used MyV to make an estimated tax payment of $4990, through Official Payments, which charged me the flat $3.95 applicable to debit card transactions.

But ... the transaction shows up as two separate charges ($4990.00 and $3.95), so MyV charged me 50 cents for each one. B__tards.

Thank you. I was wondering if MVD could be used for this payment. The last tax payment I made I used my GoBank card but those C___SUCKERS closed that account for "suspected money laundering". Go figure.

I use payUSAtax and their debit card fee is only $3.49.

tuphat Oct 19, 2013 8:09 am

@babycakes01 -- FWIW, I usually wind up using all three payment processors, given transaction size limits (MyV) and limit of 2 payments per processor per quarter. You can verify each payment was received by the IRS at the eftps.gov website.

In addition to using one of these payment processors to pay state and local tax (with fee), there are also a couple of states out there that will accept credit and/or debit card payments without imposing a fee.

Happy Oct 19, 2013 2:17 pm


Originally Posted by tuphat (Post 21633181)
At the risk of belaboring the point: I am well aware of how total charge gets allocated btwn IRS and payment processor. But since from customer view there is only one (virtual ) swipe, it seems a bit greedy for MyV to double charge.

If you have a beef, the beef lies with the payment service provider, not with MVD.

It is TWO virtual swipes done at the processor's end due to the nature of the total payment must be split.

Your service provider sent TWO request of payment to MVD, one for the bucket holds payment to IRS, one for the bucket for service provided.

MVD received TWO requests of debit from your tax payment service provider, that is why 2 $0.50 appearing on your statement.

The airline redemption example is about as layman as I could think off to illustrate HOW the lump sump payment is processed.

Since the lump sum must be split into TWO items to process them separately, hence the 2 fees, one for each process. Plain and simple.

And by glory, it is an additional $0.50... out of almost $5K transaction...

coolblues Oct 19, 2013 3:30 pm

hi, Does anyone know the weekly limit for C Adv ? I already did 4K earlier this week and was wondering if I can do another 5K today ?
thanks

Yeshu JP Oct 19, 2013 3:40 pm

I did a cash advance today at a local bank - I don't have an account with them. However, they required two forms of ID (which I am assuming is normal) before they handed me the cash..hope MVD doesn't shut me down. I already did one money order for $ 1000 earlier this week. Will order another couple of MVD (since you are allowed to have three MVDs per SSN). Don't know if I should try the bill pay feature.

Yeshu JP Oct 19, 2013 3:42 pm


Originally Posted by coolblues (Post 21635173)
hi, Does anyone know the weekly limit for C Adv ? I already did 4K earlier this week and was wondering if I can do another 5K today ?
thanks

You can probably do more, but I strongly advise you not to. There have been reports of MVD being shut down for overzealous cash advances. I am going to limit myself to a couple of thousand cash advances and a couple of thousand money orders each week..

Gargoyle Oct 19, 2013 5:25 pm


Originally Posted by LRD (Post 21519041)
I had a PIN transaction denied. Called CS and they said I had exceeded "the $8000 weekly PIN-based transaction limit" (...?).

They suggested I could do "credit" transactions, which have a separate $6000 weekly limit.

Anyone else ever bump into these limits... or even know these limits existed?

When I first got the no-name card I checked and was told the limit was loading $2500 and spending $3000 per 24 hour rolling period. Once I got the personalized card in the mail I checked again, was told the load limit is still $2500/24 hour period, max balance I can have on a card is $10k, and I can spend up the the max of $10k at any time. This is for purchases- the ATM limit is $1000 per day, I don't recall what cash advance or transfer limits are.

For the person who posted asking about leaving a card idle, no fees as long as you have activity in a 90 day period (load or spend); after that it's something like $3.95 or $4.95/month.


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