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Happy Mar 8, 2013 12:31 am


Originally Posted by jk2 (Post 20381192)
When buying MO at WM, I decided to split my purchase for 5 different cards, including MVD and WF. Well, the register at WM allows only 4 cards, so the clerk had to cancel everything and start again. The problem was that I entered pins for all cards and I was reassured that cards wasn't charged. It looks that that wasn't the case, since MVD rejected my second transaction (I used all funds from MVD for the first transaction that was cancelled), while WF didn't. When I came home, I noticed the charge from WM on my MVD card and no credit back. I checked WF card and saw a charge from WM and a credit from WM. So, for WM card everything is OK.

So, should I contact MVD about not getting back my money or I have to wait and pray that it would happen automatically? I'm not quite patient since the missing amount is substantial - $1K.

Why you make things complicated to use 5 cards in purchase? What purpose(s) this would serve?

With this type of things, wouldn't Keep It Simple being the best approach? Why creates rooms for errors especially it is such an uncharted water? (how MVD would take a refund from the merchant.)

jk2 Mar 8, 2013 4:34 am


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 20381727)
Why you make things complicated to use 5 cards in purchase? What purpose(s) this would serve?

With this type of things, wouldn't Keep It Simple being the best approach? Why creates rooms for errors especially it is such an uncharted water? (how MVD would take a refund from the merchant.)


liw5215 Mar 8, 2013 6:53 am


Originally Posted by jk2 (Post 20382251)
It was my fault of course - I always used no more than 3 cards in the past. Yesterday, I decided to involve other prepaids to have some "activity" on them. Usually I use MVD and WF (several times, because of $600 limit/transaction).

What worries me is that refund on WF and Paypower cards came immediately, but not yet for AccountNow and MVD.

I had similar situation last month. The cash register frozen and MO did not get printed out after I entered the pin for the MVD card. first, call WM cash office to ensure that the transaction has been cancelled. Calling MVD is no help. MVD has a monthly process running at the end of each month to look for those zombie transactions, and credit your account accordingly. so you have to wait for almost one month.

MillenniumFlyer Mar 8, 2013 7:00 am


Originally Posted by MillenniumFlyer (Post 20378483)
I received a cash advance from my MVD (permanent) card last Friday. Currently, I have a negative balance, as the pending transaction never fell off my account even though the same transaction also appears as completed.

Has anyone else experienced this issue? It seems unusual that the transaction is still pending almost a week later.

This has happened to me yet again. I'm surprised that more people are not encountering this issue. My pending cash advance transactions have remained on my account indefinitely even after they become completed. Is this a widespread issue that others have been facing? If not, I wonder why it's happened to me twice already.

Mrgolfer21 Mar 8, 2013 7:38 am


Originally Posted by liw5215 (Post 20382713)
I had similar situation last month. The cash register frozen and MO did not get printed out after I entered the pin for the MVD card. first, call WM cash office to ensure that the transaction has been cancelled. Calling MVD is no help. MVD has a monthly process running at the end of each month to look for those zombie transactions, and credit your account accordingly. so you have to wait for almost one month.

Actually, just wait 5-7 business days and the funds will post back to your account. Happened to me, middle of month, didn't have to wait until end of month. However, even with that money posting back, you lost out on that spend amount for the month...credit backs do not subtract from your monthly limits.

With that said, there is enough info on here already. For the sake of not ruining this for everybody, I suggest we go to PM's with questions. You can search this thread and find several people saying they can answer questions via PM. I'd be happy to answer any questions people have, but to keep doing so in the open is risky. I stayed away for awhile, but got sucked back in to commenting on stuff, but I agree with several others, it is better to let this thread kind of fade away, IMO.

therivler1 Mar 8, 2013 8:38 am

If it can be avoided, stop doing cash advances.

These are the riskiest transactions for an issuer, and the most likely to raise red flags.

Wherever you might live, there is a guaranteed post office somewhere nearby.

If the card is working fine (not like a few months ago when debits failed), cash advances are not necessary, and will lead to the downfall of this product.

bobfather Mar 8, 2013 8:44 am

That seems like hogwash. Debit card cash advances from outside accounts are no more inherently risky than any other transaction for banks, especially if you are a member of that bank.

therivler1 Mar 8, 2013 8:50 am


Originally Posted by bobfather (Post 20383379)
That seems like hogwash. Debit card cash advances from outside accounts are no more inherently risky than any other transaction for banks, especially if you are a member of that bank.

Not from the bank's perspective, but from MVD.

The card is already not being used as intended. Too many cash advances and MVD might really start balking.

yoyo Mar 8, 2013 9:07 am


Originally Posted by therivler1 (Post 20383424)
Not from the bank's perspective, but from MVD.

The card is already not being used as intended. Too many cash advances and MVD might really start balking.

Can you PM as I would like to know. Thanks.

prasha11 Mar 8, 2013 9:08 am


Originally Posted by therivler1 (Post 20383338)
If it can be avoided, stop doing cash advances.

These are the riskiest transactions for an issuer, and the most likely to raise red flags.

Wherever you might live, there is a guaranteed post office somewhere nearby.

If the card is working fine (not like a few months ago when debits failed), cash advances are not necessary, and will lead to the downfall of this product.

Why Cash advances are 'riskiest' than any other transaction? the value to this card is in 'CA' other than that is useless... we share the knowledge here and not the 'Un-knowledge'

therivler1 Mar 8, 2013 9:13 am


Originally Posted by prasha11 (Post 20383529)
Why Cash advances are 'riskiest' than any other transaction? the value to this card is in 'CA' other than that is useless... we share the knowledge here and not the 'Un-knowledge'

They are the riskiest for an issuer because you don't enter your pin, and you get cash. very simple

There is still plenty of value without doing cash advances.

I feel like this is a losing fight here :rolleyes: Use some common sense and the likelihood of keeping the train rolling increases.

swintec Mar 8, 2013 10:25 am


Originally Posted by prasha11 (Post 20383529)
the value to this card is in 'CA' other than that is useless... we share the knowledge here and not the 'Un-knowledge'

no, it isnt. cash advances for thousands, let alone cash advances on a regular basis on a product catered especially to low(er) income users are a code red.

i know what you are going to say.."the same could be said for actual purchases" but purchases do not equal cash advance.

sorry to say it, but i really hope they come down on the heavy cash advancers and your SSN are simply banned at the issuing bank level (which happens to be the most popular for prepaid debit products). If that happens you will miss quite a few opportunities in the years ahead. all because you cant add an extra step to your methods.

ThisTown Mar 8, 2013 10:26 am


Originally Posted by bobfather (Post 20383379)
That seems like hogwash. Debit card cash advances from outside accounts are no more inherently risky than any other transaction for banks, especially if you are a member of that bank.

Hey guys,

Long time lurker popping in from FWF. I agree with Rivler. There have been a lot of cards in the past that we've been able to use for MO's for a long long time.

On the other hand, we know that CAing used to be available for gift cards, but that that loophole was closed long ago.

On the whole, these institutions are watching CAs because they stand out, and, as we know, as soon as they look at our accounts for more than 5 seconds, they're TOAST!

I load my 2 MVDs with 1k each, every day for an easy 2,000 SPG points and buy 2 x $998 MOs at the post office. 10 minutes of effort, 2,000 SPG points for $15 (VR fees + MO fees). The CA transaction can't be any faster than a MO purchase, can it?

prasha11 Mar 8, 2013 10:50 am

Financial institutions discourage(they can) Cash Advances because it 'directly' depletes their deposits (they don't like it), their borrowing ability from the federal Reserve depends on the deposits. Other trans like purchases/MO etc. they have no control. I don't think CA is more risk than any other transaction...

bobfather Mar 8, 2013 11:53 am

I'm sorry, but I still feel it's hogwash. Interest rates are so low right now that Bancorp could not care less.

They make money through transaction fees, from the card reload fees, from ATM fees, and through float.

If you feel bad about CA'ing off the card, do Bancorp a favor and buy some gum a few times a week to give them an extra $.50 kickback. Otherwise, stop being alarmist.


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