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fromfall98 Aug 28, 2013 10:38 am


Originally Posted by raccah (Post 21348484)
Not to be pedantic but if the "c" AKA bank in each case is different - then there is no circle - correct? Are you not both saying the same thing?

By "circle", they mean: A -> B -> A

It still is a circle, as B returned money to A (albeit, B withdrawing the money sent by A and depositing in bank aside, B did return money back to A, thus completing the circle).

Cheers!

vagrants Aug 28, 2013 11:27 am

It is in my experience that AP does not care A -> B & B -> A as long as you are not sending the same amount back & forth. I send A -> B in a week and another week I send B -> A. In a month, ~$1k/(A -> B) & ~1k/(B -> A). I have not shutdown for many many months. So, I don't know why people worry so much.

Bean Aug 28, 2013 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by vagrants (Post 21351194)
It is in my experience that AP does not care A -> B & B -> A as long as you are not sending the same amount back & forth. I send A -> B in a week and another week I send B -> A. In a month, ~$1k/(A -> B) & ~1k/(B -> A). I have not shutdown for many many months. So, I don't know why people worry so much.

I doubt the amount matters either, as I always do straight $1K both ways.
I'm not inclined to break up the amounts...I prefer to be done with it in 2 mins and wait until next month.

x712xdamx Aug 29, 2013 9:14 am


Originally Posted by Bean (Post 21347926)
Unwarranted concern, if you ask me.

I've been doing A to B to bank with an immediate (1 min later) B to A to bank every month for two years now. All full $1K amounts.

So either I am incredibly lucky or AP just doesn't give a rat's a$$.
You decide which one....

Personally, I think the key to being safe is different bank accounts.


Originally Posted by vagrants (Post 21351194)
It is in my experience that AP does not care A -> B & B -> A as long as you are not sending the same amount back & forth. I send A -> B in a week and another week I send B -> A. In a month, ~$1k/(A -> B) & ~1k/(B -> A). I have not shutdown for many many months. So, I don't know why people worry so much.

And here I always heard and read to never send back and forth, and we have people on here saying they've been doing it for a long time (years even!) with no problems. Amazing.

Were there actually any reports in this thread of people being shut down for going a-b-a? I THOUGHT back in the earlier days of AP there was, but haven't read anything recently.

AlohaDaveKennedy Aug 29, 2013 4:26 pm

The takeaway is that Amazon is inconsistent. The truth is that accounts are, and are not, shut down. It is a complete crap shoot, or an internal controls nightmare, in cardinal-speak. There is real risk.


Originally Posted by x712xdamx (Post 21356814)
And here I always heard and read to never send back and forth, and we have people on here saying they've been doing it for a long time (years even!) with no problems. Amazing.

Were there actually any reports in this thread of people being shut down for going a-b-a? I THOUGHT back in the earlier days of AP there was, but haven't read anything recently.


italdesign Aug 30, 2013 6:08 am

Had a new experience last night.

My partner joined Amazon and tried to send me $987. It wouldn't let him and said "We're sorry but this transaction could not be completed because the recipient cannot receive this payment."

Hmm, OK. So I tried other amounts and found out it would let him send me $5. That came thru instantly.

He then sent me $487. It went into pending status. Checked this morning and it was cleared.

He then tried to send $487 from another card. It wouldn't let him send any more to me.

So he tried to send it to another friend who also plays in the jungle. Not allowed either.

We then tried another friend who has less activities. That went thru.

Seems like they may be onto the more active users.

italdesign Aug 30, 2013 6:13 am


Originally Posted by x712xdamx (Post 21356814)
Were there actually any reports in this thread of people being shut down for going a-b-a? I THOUGHT back in the earlier days of AP there was, but haven't read anything recently.

I'd like to know as well. I've been doing ping pong with the mom for a few months.

turnpike13 Aug 30, 2013 6:19 am


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 21362097)
I'd like to know as well. I've been doing ping pong with the mom for a few months.

Dude! She's your mom! that's just gross. :D

lad2 Aug 30, 2013 7:24 am


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 21362083)
Had a new experience last night.

My partner joined Amazon and tried to send me $987. It wouldn't let him and said "We're sorry but this transaction could not be completed because the recipient cannot receive this payment."

Hmm, OK. So I tried other amounts and found out it would let him send me $5. That came thru instantly.

He then sent me $487. It went into pending status. Checked this morning and it was cleared.

He then tried to send $487 from another card. It wouldn't let him send any more to me.

So he tried to send it to another friend who also plays in the jungle. Not allowed either.

We then tried another friend who has less activities. That went thru.

Seems like they may be onto the more active users.

Check your limit. You can only send and receive up to 1K a month.

dcpilgrim Aug 30, 2013 7:35 am


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 21362083)
Had a new experience last night.

My partner joined Amazon and tried to send me $987. It wouldn't let him and said "We're sorry but this transaction could not be completed because the recipient cannot receive this payment."

Hmm, OK. So I tried other amounts and found out it would let him send me $5. That came thru instantly.

He then sent me $487. It went into pending status. Checked this morning and it was cleared.

He then tried to send $487 from another card. It wouldn't let him send any more to me.

So he tried to send it to another friend who also plays in the jungle. Not allowed either.

We then tried another friend who has less activities. That went thru.

Seems like they may be onto the more active users.

Is your partner's account verified?

slider34 Aug 30, 2013 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by x712xdamx (Post 21356814)

Were there actually any reports in this thread of people being shut down for going a-b-a? I THOUGHT back in the earlier days of AP there was, but haven't read anything recently.

I have been doing a-b-a for quite awhile now. I have deposits going to 2 different bank accounts and I have yet to hear of anyone getting shut down with my scenario above.

a-b-a with SAME bank account and getting shut down? Then yes it's possible but so is buying gift cards, bluebird, etc, etc...

italdesign Aug 30, 2013 4:00 pm


Originally Posted by lad2 (Post 21362416)
Check your limit. You can only send and receive up to 1K a month.

I didn't realize there is a receiving limit of $1000 too. That would explain it - I'd gotten a $500 payment earlier this month.

sharka Sep 1, 2013 1:12 am


Originally Posted by x712xdamx (Post 21356814)
And here I always heard and read to never send back and forth, and we have people on here saying they've been doing it for a long time (years even!) with no problems. Amazing.

Were there actually any reports in this thread of people being shut down for going a-b-a? I THOUGHT back in the earlier days of AP there was, but haven't read anything recently.


The answer is Yes. My brother was shut down about 2 or 3 yrs back doing the A-B then B-A route with his wife. Both had separate checking accts with different banks and never sent same amts back and forth. Amts would vary by $10-20 each way. They both had same address though. He thinks it was a random internal audit of certain accts that the computer had selected as suspicious. During that time I remember reading a few others reported being shut down for sending back and forth. Recently past yr or so, have not seen any shut downs but then who knows how often or how widespread the next Amazon surprise audit will be?
I learn from him and I do the a-b-c sent routing with different amts and different addresses and sometimes break it up into 2-3 payments. I try to not show a pattern and be as random as possible. I've been at this since the start and never had a problem as I stay below their computer radar.

vagrants Sep 1, 2013 7:43 am


Originally Posted by sharka (Post 21370718)
The answer is Yes. My brother was shut down about 2 or 3 yrs back doing the A-B then B-A route with his wife.

The situation isn't the same though. 2 - 3 years ago, there was no mandatory SSN to verify identity, no? But, yes, take appropriate cautions.

sharka Sep 1, 2013 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by vagrants (Post 21371519)
The situation isn't the same though. 2 - 3 years ago, there was no mandatory SSN to verify identity, no? But, yes, take appropriate cautions.

Dont really think it would matter 2-3 rs ago if SSN needed or not as its only to verify ID of individual . I think even had they collected SSN from the start yrs ago my brother would probably be shut down anyway as it was not the SSN that trigger the red flags but back and forth transactions or combination of having same living address also? (know this as a fact as not only brother shut down but my sister in law was shut 1 week later)-- but yes, do agree to take extra steps as precaution to fly under their radar. Those that will eventually get shot out of the sky later should rethink their flight plans now.--IMO


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