Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
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DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Apr 11, 2018, 6:08 am
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Save the money and fly in J.
Apr 11, 2018, 6:14 am
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Apr 11, 2018, 7:05 am
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If I misconnected to DE's own 11:25AM FRA-VAR flight, the only option with a same day arrival would be taking a 125PM LH FRA-BRU, connecting to SN BRU-VAR, ultimately arriving Varna six hours later than originally booked. Of course, I'd have to hope DE would play ball in a timely fashion, among other things.
Apr 11, 2018, 2:13 pm
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Hi. This is a large thread, and I've gotten at least some info about my upcoming connection, but I'm hoping someone with real experience can help. We are US Citizens, and will be connecting in FRA from Prague to JFK. Both Flights are Lufthansa and they recently changed our flights from a 1:25 layover to a mere 1 hour. The Prague flight seems to be 10-20 minutes late most days - but since the 1 hour is a legal MCT, we are stuck. Tickets are all on one reservation and bags will be checked through.
From what I can see, 99% of the days, the PRG flight comes into Gate A16 and the JFK flight leaves from gate Z23 (though left from C on Tuesday due to strike). I know we will have to go through "Exit" Passport control on deplaning in FRA. But I'm less clear if we need to go through a security screening between boarder control and the Z gates. I know if we end up at a C gate, we will certainly have to go through security, but not sure about Z gates. Any thoughts on how to avoid this? Also, I see some sort of passport control somewhere near the gate Z25 and stairs up from the A level to the Z level. Is this something this is regularly open during the date and that anyone can use? I doubt we will have time to waste seeking this out (even assuming we can) only to find we can't use it. But if it is not used much and there is no security may be a time saver.
Thanks. -John
From what I can see, 99% of the days, the PRG flight comes into Gate A16 and the JFK flight leaves from gate Z23 (though left from C on Tuesday due to strike). I know we will have to go through "Exit" Passport control on deplaning in FRA. But I'm less clear if we need to go through a security screening between boarder control and the Z gates. I know if we end up at a C gate, we will certainly have to go through security, but not sure about Z gates. Any thoughts on how to avoid this? Also, I see some sort of passport control somewhere near the gate Z25 and stairs up from the A level to the Z level. Is this something this is regularly open during the date and that anyone can use? I doubt we will have time to waste seeking this out (even assuming we can) only to find we can't use it. But if it is not used much and there is no security may be a time saver.
Thanks. -John
Apr 11, 2018, 2:33 pm
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If departing Z (which is normal), you need to go through passport control to exit Schengen (normally done in the process of going upstairs to Z), and that's it. There will probably be a separate passport check at the gate to ensure you can enter the US. No transfer security in the normal case - while an hour is a bit tight because any delay can mess things up, you should be just fine.
Apr 12, 2018, 1:49 am
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If departing Z (which is normal), you need to go through passport control to exit Schengen (normally done in the process of going upstairs to Z), and that's it. There will probably be a separate passport check at the gate to ensure you can enter the US. No transfer security in the normal case - while an hour is a bit tight because any delay can mess things up, you should be just fine.
Thats quite a significant schedule change, down to the MCT, did you consider asking the issuer of your tickets to change to an earlier flight, it ought to be grounds to do so, unless your happy with coping with the MCT.
Apr 12, 2018, 2:25 am
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On the other hand, long-haul to short-haul when going onwards to somewhere like London where there’s a flight every hour or so, no problem and would do it every time.
Apr 12, 2018, 4:54 am
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I wouldn’t do 60min LH-LH connection in F if connecting from short-haul to long-haul since in most cases there’s only one long-haul flight a day and the airport Sheraton at FRA is dreadful and I’ve misconnected in FRA due to inbound delays one too many times.
On the other hand, long-haul to short-haul when going onwards to somewhere like London where there’s a flight every hour or so, no problem and would do it every time.
Stll LH will bend over backwards for an F pax, direct transfers & hold the plane a bit if it’s possible to do so.
also agree that the Sheraton in FRA is Pants 😁
Apr 13, 2018, 6:44 am
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I did try to call and was advised that since a legal MCT our only option was to pay a substantial change fee. It's particularly annoying since the inbound flight is late 7 days out of 10 from what I can see on FlightAware.
Apr 13, 2018, 7:24 am
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You could try calling again, I think it’s quite a substantial change down to the MCT those missed 30 minutes from what you booked can make a huge difference as you understand. Make them aware of the poor ontime record too.
Apr 14, 2018, 4:08 am
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We are US Citizens, and will be connecting in FRA from Prague to JFK. Both Flights are Lufthansa and they recently changed our flights from a 1:25 layover to a mere 1 hour. The Prague flight seems to be 10-20 minutes late most days - but since the 1 hour is a legal MCT, we are stuck. Tickets are all on one reservation and bags will be checked through.
From what I can see, 99% of the days, the PRG flight comes into Gate A16 and the JFK flight leaves from gate Z23 (though left from C on Tuesday due to strike). I know we will have to go through "Exit" Passport control on deplaning in FRA. But I'm less clear if we need to go through a security screening between boarder control and the Z gates. I know if we end up at a C gate, we will certainly have to go through security, but not sure about Z gates. Any thoughts on how to avoid this? Also, I see some sort of passport control somewhere near the gate Z25 and stairs up from the A level to the Z level. Is this something this is regularly open during the date and that anyone can use? I doubt we will have time to waste seeking this out (even assuming we can) only to find we can't use it. But if it is not used much and there is no security may be a time saver.
Thanks. -John
From what I can see, 99% of the days, the PRG flight comes into Gate A16 and the JFK flight leaves from gate Z23 (though left from C on Tuesday due to strike). I know we will have to go through "Exit" Passport control on deplaning in FRA. But I'm less clear if we need to go through a security screening between boarder control and the Z gates. I know if we end up at a C gate, we will certainly have to go through security, but not sure about Z gates. Any thoughts on how to avoid this? Also, I see some sort of passport control somewhere near the gate Z25 and stairs up from the A level to the Z level. Is this something this is regularly open during the date and that anyone can use? I doubt we will have time to waste seeking this out (even assuming we can) only to find we can't use it. But if it is not used much and there is no security may be a time saver.
Thanks. -John
Who did you buy the ticket from? If bought from LH any schedule change of 15 mins or more should allow you a free re-booking on another flight in the same booking class in my experience.
Last edited by NewbieRunner; Apr 14, 2018 at 6:03 am Reason: Typo
Apr 14, 2018, 7:47 am
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Apr 14, 2018, 6:12 pm
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I posted this on the AA forum and the moderated pointed me to this very helpful thread. I went through the last couple years of posts and got a good sense for how LH and FRA operate but I don't see an answer to this specific issue. I noticed tonight that when Concur booked an upcoming flight that they have me flying on two separate tickets. Right now I have a LOT/Lufthansa flight from KTW to FRA. In FRA I pickup my American Airlines flight back to the US. I have connected through FRA frequently and not had an issue but this connection is only 1 hour and 35 minutes. I am not concerned with making it from Terminal 1 to Terminal 2 in that time but if I have to exit and check in on AA before going back through security and passport control I worry that I won't make it and that by the time I get to the American Airlines check-in counter they may deny me boarding if the time to boarding is too short.
So I have a few questions:
1) Can I check in for my AA flight at KTW when I check in for the LOT/Lufthansa flight? The Concur agent seemed to think they would which would allow me to go straight to my next gate only having to go through passport control but not security. Does this seem accurate?
2) Will LOT/LH check my bag through or should I just carry it on?
If this seems like a bad option I may just catch a late flight from KTW to FRA and stay overnight at FRA to make sure I don't have any issues.
Thank you!
So I have a few questions:
1) Can I check in for my AA flight at KTW when I check in for the LOT/Lufthansa flight? The Concur agent seemed to think they would which would allow me to go straight to my next gate only having to go through passport control but not security. Does this seem accurate?
2) Will LOT/LH check my bag through or should I just carry it on?
If this seems like a bad option I may just catch a late flight from KTW to FRA and stay overnight at FRA to make sure I don't have any issues.
Thank you!
Apr 14, 2018, 6:57 pm
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I posted this on the AA forum and the moderated pointed me to this very helpful thread. I went through the last couple years of posts and got a good sense for how LH and FRA operate but I don't see an answer to this specific issue. I noticed tonight that when Concur booked an upcoming flight that they have me flying on two separate tickets. Right now I have a LOT/Lufthansa flight from KTW to FRA. In FRA I pickup my American Airlines flight back to the US. I have connected through FRA frequently and not had an issue but this connection is only 1 hour and 35 minutes. I am not concerned with making it from Terminal 1 to Terminal 2 in that time but if I have to exit and check in on AA before going back through security and passport control I worry that I won't make it and that by the time I get to the American Airlines check-in counter they may deny me boarding if the time to boarding is too short.
So I have a few questions:
1) Can I check in for my AA flight at KTW when I check in for the LOT/Lufthansa flight? The Concur agent seemed to think they would which would allow me to go straight to my next gate only having to go through passport control but not security. Does this seem accurate?
2) Will LOT/LH check my bag through or should I just carry it on?
If this seems like a bad option I may just catch a late flight from KTW to FRA and stay overnight at FRA to make sure I don't have any issues.
Thank you!
So I have a few questions:
1) Can I check in for my AA flight at KTW when I check in for the LOT/Lufthansa flight? The Concur agent seemed to think they would which would allow me to go straight to my next gate only having to go through passport control but not security. Does this seem accurate?
2) Will LOT/LH check my bag through or should I just carry it on?
If this seems like a bad option I may just catch a late flight from KTW to FRA and stay overnight at FRA to make sure I don't have any issues.
Thank you!
Quick response:
1) Highly unlikely you can check your bag through on 2 tickets.
2) Yes you will have to go through security in transit
I do not think that LOT/LH will check your bag through to the USA on AA. Few airlines with check bags through on 2 tickets. If you did not check your bag and had a boarding pass , You could attempt it. However FRA can be a bit of a maze if you do not regularly transit there. You say you know FRA well so that may help. Have you departed FRA? The check in area at the airport can be quite crowded and it make take some to exit, go to the counter and go back through security. I do not know where the transit desk is for AA, but if you do not check a bag and can get your boarding pass in transit it may be just possible to make your AA flight, if everything goes smoothy: if the flight arrives on time, if you do not arrive at a remote gate, if there is not a line at the transit desk,( if you can find it) and no line at security.
I am extremely conservative when it comes to any connections in any airport. For example I do not transit DFW with less than a 2 hour connect. I do not transit FRA LH-XX to the USA on ONE ticket, with a 2 hour connect. I would take the flight the day before and just grab a room at an airport hotel. That is my humble opinion. Perhaps uber frequent flyers that transit FRA weekly have better insight.
Last edited by 2old4coach; Apr 14, 2018 at 7:09 pm Reason: additional remaks
Apr 14, 2018, 8:52 pm
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So I have a few questions:
1) Can I check in for my AA flight at KTW when I check in for the LOT/Lufthansa flight? The Concur agent seemed to think they would which would allow me to go straight to my next gate only having to go through passport control but not security. Does this seem accurate?
2) Will LOT/LH check my bag through or should I just carry it on?
If this seems like a bad option I may just catch a late flight from KTW to FRA and stay overnight at FRA to make sure I don't have any issues.
Thank you!
Highly unlikey LO/LH would through check your bag to AA