Mar 28, 2014, 7:06 am
Last edit by: warakorn
VC has announced a stike phase from 0am on 02APR14 till 11.59pm on 04APR14:
Expect massive advance cancellations. VC pilots only operate LH Mainline A32S, B737 and longhaul widebodies, so expect cancellations on such flights.
The current list of cancellations can be found here:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/de/flight_services/cancelled_flights?nodeid=118127922&l=de&cid=18002
Or just open your booking and take a look.
Once the cancellation is announced LH allows rebooking online or via the phone. The exact procedure is described here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufthansa-austrian-swiss-brussels-lot-other-partners-miles-more/1541419-flyertalk-vielfliegertreff-lufthansa-irreg-interview.html
According to EU passenger rights regulation EC261/2004 article 8, the operating carrier (Lufthansa) is responsible to reroute passengers under comparable transport conditions, to their final destination at the earliest opportunity.
Article 8 also applies in situations like strikes.
Tickets issued for 2-4APR just received a waiver to rebook for free:
Die VC wird ihre Mitglieder vom 02. April 00.00 Uhr bis 04. April 23.59 Uhr zum bundesweiten Arbeitskampf zur Durchsetzung eines neuen Tarifvertrages Übergangsversorgung aufrufen.
The current list of cancellations can be found here:
http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/de/flight_services/cancelled_flights?nodeid=118127922&l=de&cid=18002
Or just open your booking and take a look.
Once the cancellation is announced LH allows rebooking online or via the phone. The exact procedure is described here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/lufthansa-austrian-swiss-brussels-lot-other-partners-miles-more/1541419-flyertalk-vielfliegertreff-lufthansa-irreg-interview.html
According to EU passenger rights regulation EC261/2004 article 8, the operating carrier (Lufthansa) is responsible to reroute passengers under comparable transport conditions, to their final destination at the earliest opportunity.
Article 8 also applies in situations like strikes.
Tickets issued for 2-4APR just received a waiver to rebook for free:
Announced strike of the pilots union from April, 2nd – 4th, 2014
The pilots union “Vereinigung Cockpit” (VC) has called upon its members at Lufthansa, Lufthansa Cargo and Germanwings to cease work for three days from Wednesday, April 2nd 2014, 00:00, to Friday, 4th April 2014, at 23:59 at all German airports.
In order to keep impact of the strike as low as possible, Lufthansa will inform its customers about details of flight cancellations and alternative travel options via www.LH.com as soon as possible. Customers, who advised their contact information, will be informed by e-mail and SMS notifications about changes of their flights.
Lufthansa will publish a list with cancelled flights as well as information for passenger services on Monday afternoon, 31st March 2014.
Passengers holding a Lufthansa/SWISS/Austrian Airlines or Brussels ticket for flights on April 2nd – April 4th, 2014 from/to/via Germany, are permitted to rebook their flight once free of charge online via My Bookings with immediate effect, provided that:
- the ticket was issued on/before March 28th, 2014
- the new travel date is on/before September 30th, 2014
- the original ticket class remains
- all other fare conditions are adhered to
Passengers may also contact our service center on +49(0)69-86-799-799* or via one of our local phone numbers.
* Calls from German landlines at local rates, call charges from German mobile networks may vary dependent upon the provider
The pilots union “Vereinigung Cockpit” (VC) has called upon its members at Lufthansa, Lufthansa Cargo and Germanwings to cease work for three days from Wednesday, April 2nd 2014, 00:00, to Friday, 4th April 2014, at 23:59 at all German airports.
In order to keep impact of the strike as low as possible, Lufthansa will inform its customers about details of flight cancellations and alternative travel options via www.LH.com as soon as possible. Customers, who advised their contact information, will be informed by e-mail and SMS notifications about changes of their flights.
Lufthansa will publish a list with cancelled flights as well as information for passenger services on Monday afternoon, 31st March 2014.
Passengers holding a Lufthansa/SWISS/Austrian Airlines or Brussels ticket for flights on April 2nd – April 4th, 2014 from/to/via Germany, are permitted to rebook their flight once free of charge online via My Bookings with immediate effect, provided that:
- the ticket was issued on/before March 28th, 2014
- the new travel date is on/before September 30th, 2014
- the original ticket class remains
- all other fare conditions are adhered to
Passengers may also contact our service center on +49(0)69-86-799-799* or via one of our local phone numbers.
* Calls from German landlines at local rates, call charges from German mobile networks may vary dependent upon the provider
VC Pilots Strike 02-04 APR 2014 [discussion & info wiki]
Mar 31, 2014, 12:58 pm
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Mar 31, 2014, 1:02 pm
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Mar 31, 2014, 1:14 pm
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Mar 31, 2014, 1:17 pm
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Could be, but LH will try to put you on their own group or *A first. Also they can WL you for your original fare class and clear it with a special queue.
Mar 31, 2014, 1:24 pm
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Greetings - Dirk
Mar 31, 2014, 1:57 pm
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I know the interview, but it does not really answer my question.
However, it is important to differentiate if the irregularity occurs within 24 hours from departure, or a rather long term irregularity that is determined more than 24 hours before departure. The conventions in the airline business require that other airlines first agree to re-bookings that occur more than 24 hours before departure. In such cases a so-called “Reprotection Agreement” needs to negotiated with these airlines. Here in many cases the rebooking onto other airlines outside of the Star Alliance is not easily possible.
24 hours before departure as in the scheduled departure time of the cancelled flight or the departure of the first leg of the journey?
Isn't this a long term irregularity as it has been announced more than 24 hours before departure? Or will it turn into a "short term" irregularity if I just wait?
Is a Reprotection Agreement between the issuing ticket airline and LH, or between LH and the airline that will transport me? It does not mention who is responsible for the rebooking and if this is only valid for LH 020 ticket stock.
However, it is important to differentiate if the irregularity occurs within 24 hours from departure, or a rather long term irregularity that is determined more than 24 hours before departure. The conventions in the airline business require that other airlines first agree to re-bookings that occur more than 24 hours before departure. In such cases a so-called “Reprotection Agreement” needs to negotiated with these airlines. Here in many cases the rebooking onto other airlines outside of the Star Alliance is not easily possible.
24 hours before departure as in the scheduled departure time of the cancelled flight or the departure of the first leg of the journey?
Isn't this a long term irregularity as it has been announced more than 24 hours before departure? Or will it turn into a "short term" irregularity if I just wait?
Is a Reprotection Agreement between the issuing ticket airline and LH, or between LH and the airline that will transport me? It does not mention who is responsible for the rebooking and if this is only valid for LH 020 ticket stock.
Mar 31, 2014, 1:57 pm
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On topic:
Calling UA will most likely not help yet, as they don't show the new potential strike on their homepage yet - you can still see the ver.di one listed there:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/trav...elnotices.aspx
Calling UA will most likely not help yet, as they don't show the new potential strike on their homepage yet - you can still see the ver.di one listed there:
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/trav...elnotices.aspx
Mar 31, 2014, 1:58 pm
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I would really appreciate it if people that have not the slightest idea about the background of the strike ( or the general concepts of strikes) would stop spamming this thread with their ........ rants about the strike!
If you are not a pilot or a member of the VC union you should post your opinion elsewhere.....
Nobody judges your job or income so how dare you judge others?
If you are not a pilot or a member of the VC union you should post your opinion elsewhere.....
Nobody judges your job or income so how dare you judge others?
Mar 31, 2014, 2:05 pm
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Had a LH455 F award ticket for tomorrow which was cancelled () but rebooked on UA F.
To fly LH F in the new F was a once in a lifetime event I was so looking forward to - destroyed by that damn strike
) but rebooked on UA F. To fly LH F in the new F was a once in a lifetime event I was so looking forward to - destroyed by that damn strike
Mar 31, 2014, 2:05 pm
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I know the interview, but it does not really answer my question.
24 hours before departure as in the scheduled departure time of the cancelled flight or the departure of the first leg of the journey?
Isn't this a long term irregularity as it has been announced more than 24 hours before departure? Or will it turn into a "short term" irregularity if I just wait?
Is a Reprotection Agreement between the issuing ticket airline and LH, or between LH and the airline that will transport me? It does not mention who is responsible for the rebooking and if this is only valid for LH 020 ticket stock.
24 hours before departure as in the scheduled departure time of the cancelled flight or the departure of the first leg of the journey?
Isn't this a long term irregularity as it has been announced more than 24 hours before departure? Or will it turn into a "short term" irregularity if I just wait?
Is a Reprotection Agreement between the issuing ticket airline and LH, or between LH and the airline that will transport me? It does not mention who is responsible for the rebooking and if this is only valid for LH 020 ticket stock.
Mar 31, 2014, 2:38 pm
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How do you know? Maybe we have bankers or government employees around.
Because most people here do not provide a public service for a living and certainly don't have a direct impact on the schedule of 400k+ passengers. And even if it were otherwise, I don't see how it's blasphemy to express an opinion about the salary and benefits of a given job.
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Mar 31, 2014, 2:41 pm
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If you have to cancel, make sure to do so on the phone, not online. My colleague just cancelled his ticket (intra-European, the return flight was cancelled) online, and since it was a Y ticket in S/T, the online cancellation only got him his taxes back. I tried to sort it out on the phone now, but you need to talk to the tech help hotline for this, and they're closed for the day. So, if you cancel, do it over the phone!
Also, on a different note: yes, there's a big trade fair going on, which ends on Friday... LH probably has contracts with hotels, but Light+Building is one of the bigger trade fairs, so cheap hotel beds will be hard to come by this week.
Also, on a different note: yes, there's a big trade fair going on, which ends on Friday... LH probably has contracts with hotels, but Light+Building is one of the bigger trade fairs, so cheap hotel beds will be hard to come by this week.
Mar 31, 2014, 2:47 pm
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I would really appreciate it if people that have not the slightest idea about the background of the strike ( or the general concepts of strikes) would stop spamming this thread with their ........ rants about the strike!
If you are not a pilot or a member of the VC union you should post your opinion elsewhere.....
Nobody judges your job or income so how dare you judge others?
If you are not a pilot or a member of the VC union you should post your opinion elsewhere.....
Nobody judges your job or income so how dare you judge others?
The people who read and post to this site depend on the airlines and other travel providers to do what they are paid to do in order for them to do their jobs. I am aghast at the idiocy of your comment and more set aside as to the sheer ignorance of its bald statements that you clearly are not anywhere near the 21st century.
Don't be too surprised that German labor law may be changed as a result of these asinine strikes and not in the favor of already pampered pilots.
Last edited by capitalflow; Mar 31, 2014 at 2:50 pm Reason: Auto correct.