Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Mar 1, 2017 | 4:34 pm
#1036
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: BNA (Nashville)
Programs: HH Diamond
Posts: 7,192
Checked all my upcoming stays:
Phoenix HGI Midtown: Booked at 40K, still 40K
Yuma HGI: Booked at 30K, still 30K
Hong Kong Conrad: Booked at 80K, now 78K
Perth Parmelia Hilton: Booked at 60K, still 60K
In reviewing the Perth stay, I noticed that a note above the slider reminds you that you can get the fifth night free if you use all points. Glad to see that still works.
One thing I do not understand, will points and cash combos count towards award night stays? Will the cash count as a hotel stay (10x points) with my Citi Hilton Reserve card?
Phoenix HGI Midtown: Booked at 40K, still 40K
Yuma HGI: Booked at 30K, still 30K
Hong Kong Conrad: Booked at 80K, now 78K
Perth Parmelia Hilton: Booked at 60K, still 60K
In reviewing the Perth stay, I noticed that a note above the slider reminds you that you can get the fifth night free if you use all points. Glad to see that still works.
One thing I do not understand, will points and cash combos count towards award night stays? Will the cash count as a hotel stay (10x points) with my Citi Hilton Reserve card?
Mar 1, 2017 | 4:48 pm
#1037
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Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Watchlisted by the prejudiced, en route to purgatory
Programs: Just Say No to Fleecing and Blacklisting
Posts: 102,077
At .5 cpp, I get around 10-20% back as rebate on HH if there's a promo (there almost always is). It's competitive with hotels.com. What made it better was getting 1 cpp on spend for some money + points redemptions.
The thing is you don't get 1/2 cent per point per dollar spent with Hilton (that's just wrong). You would shoot for .5 cents per point when SPENDING your points (preferably more).
The baseline for OBTAINING points is 10 points per dollar, plus 5 more if you take points and points, plus any promos, plus any status bonus, plus anything like Gold/Diamond amenity (which you can take as points), plus any bonuses for Hilton credit cards.
During one promo, I figured as a Gold I was getting 27.5 points per dollar I spent- so let's call it a $100 hotel room. Oh, and I was getting the 1000 point Gold amenity. So 2750 points + 1000 = 3750. OK, so at .5 cpp... that's $18.75 effective rebate on a $100 hotel room. Or 18.75%. Right around that 10-20% range I'd get for hotels.com.
So like I said, with the right set of promos it's pretty easy to net 10-20% rebate (even easier now that Hilton makes EVERYONE play ball). The thing is hotels.com doesn't lock you into Hilton. That's why I might be giving up on Hilton if the value for money + points is evaporating, because getting more like 20-30% on Hilton (when I get value closer to 1 cpp instead of .5) was more attractive than being able to be a free agent, but if it's net-net the same-ish with hotels.com... why be locked in?
The thing is you don't get 1/2 cent per point per dollar spent with Hilton (that's just wrong). You would shoot for .5 cents per point when SPENDING your points (preferably more).
The baseline for OBTAINING points is 10 points per dollar, plus 5 more if you take points and points, plus any promos, plus any status bonus, plus anything like Gold/Diamond amenity (which you can take as points), plus any bonuses for Hilton credit cards.
During one promo, I figured as a Gold I was getting 27.5 points per dollar I spent- so let's call it a $100 hotel room. Oh, and I was getting the 1000 point Gold amenity. So 2750 points + 1000 = 3750. OK, so at .5 cpp... that's $18.75 effective rebate on a $100 hotel room. Or 18.75%. Right around that 10-20% range I'd get for hotels.com.
So like I said, with the right set of promos it's pretty easy to net 10-20% rebate (even easier now that Hilton makes EVERYONE play ball). The thing is hotels.com doesn't lock you into Hilton. That's why I might be giving up on Hilton if the value for money + points is evaporating, because getting more like 20-30% on Hilton (when I get value closer to 1 cpp instead of .5) was more attractive than being able to be a free agent, but if it's net-net the same-ish with hotels.com... why be locked in?
Counting on promos to get value out of being locked in with Hilton is more of a gamble than counting on the value from the program absent promos and not being as locked in.
I must say that of Hilton, Hyatt, IHG, Marriott and Starwood, Hilton has been the most egregious in devaluing points during the course of my posting on FT. 100k-150k points as a Diamond used to get me a 6-night award stay at even the most expensively priced Hiltons. Now that same 100k-150k points may not even get me more than one night at some of those hotels, even as the cash price for those hotels has generally not increased by 500+% in the same time period.
Mar 1, 2017 | 4:49 pm
#1038
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: UA Platinum, Hilton Diamond, Shimansky VIP
Posts: 51
The old Points + Money was so rare for me that losing it is really the least of my concerns. In its entire history, I managed to find exactly one P+M award: Conrad HKG for 3 nights a couple years ago.
Those were a fantastic value to be sure, but they were a needle in a haystack to begin with.
Those were a fantastic value to be sure, but they were a needle in a haystack to begin with.
It's a smart business move by Hilton no doubt, but it will move people like me into AirBnb when I travel for leisure.
Mar 1, 2017 | 5:09 pm
#1040
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: North America
Posts: 2,273
I looked at the new C&P vaguely and to me it seemed like the system just takes the nightly cash rate for the hotel / room type and assigns the respective c&p value. i.e. a hotel costing $300 or 30K points is assigned a value of 1 cents per point and then it's upto the member to spend whatever points and whatever cash portion they want.
Mar 1, 2017 | 5:48 pm
#1041
Join Date: May 2010
Location: FSD
Programs: BAEC, Delta SkyPesos, VS FC, SQ KF, AA, HHonors
Posts: 1,884
I wish I knew this was coming. I wanted to do a P&M booking at the Conrad HK. Pre-devaluation it was 32k + HK$1,100 per night, totalling 96k + $3,300. Now, it would be 100k + over HK$6,000 for the booking.
Bye, Hilton.
Bye, Hilton.
Mar 1, 2017 | 6:28 pm
#1044
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Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: PHX
Programs: AA EXP; UA 1MM & PP; Marriott AMB; Hyatt Globalist; Hilton Diamond (Aspire)
Posts: 62,342
I think it may take a while to figure out what's really happened though. Was just looking at Hilton Parc 55 and they're offering "standard" room for 60k points, which is over .6 cpp.
Hmm . . . I can get it for 32k next week. Maybe I should change my cash booking (142 Euro).
Mar 1, 2017 | 7:10 pm
#1045
Join Date: Aug 2013
Programs: HH Lifetime Diamond, Delta DM, Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 971
I'm calling B.S. here. I just searched for one random date in April and the rate is 203 EUR (Honors discount) or 39,000 points for a standard room. Plenty of great standard room redemptions options over almost all days unless standard rooms are sold out, which they are on April 6.
Mar 1, 2017 | 7:17 pm
#1046
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,326
Have had the same hit my accounts. I have just made a quick call to the European call centre who have confirmed that the cash elements are not chargeable and that they think the system is adding them in error. It has already been reported to Hilton IT to look in to it.
Hopefully this is the case, but as the IT update only happened a few hours ago, I will give them a chance to get things fixed and confirmed properly.
Also as an update, if you go to replicate these reservations, the cash charges do not show. Clearly an error on what is shown for existing reservations rather than a new charge.
Hopefully this is the case, but as the IT update only happened a few hours ago, I will give them a chance to get things fixed and confirmed properly.
Also as an update, if you go to replicate these reservations, the cash charges do not show. Clearly an error on what is shown for existing reservations rather than a new charge.
Mar 1, 2017 | 7:20 pm
#1047
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Far from CDG
Programs: AA LT PLT (3.6+ MM), UA 1K LT Gold, Hilton LT Diamond, Bonvoy Gold.
Posts: 1,672
I'm calling B.S. here. I just searched for one random date in April and the rate is 203 EUR (Honors discount) or 39,000 points for a standard room. Plenty of great standard room redemptions options over almost all days unless standard rooms are sold out, which they are on April 6.
Mar 1, 2017 | 7:25 pm
#1048
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Far from CDG
Programs: AA LT PLT (3.6+ MM), UA 1K LT Gold, Hilton LT Diamond, Bonvoy Gold.
Posts: 1,672
Update - Points and Cash is now showing (it was not earlier today). Rebooked it with 199 Euro and 60k points. Main problem was not going over 200 Euro per company policy.
Mar 1, 2017 | 7:26 pm
#1049
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,326
Mar 1, 2017 | 7:31 pm
#1050
Join Date: Aug 2013
Programs: HH Lifetime Diamond, Delta DM, Hertz President's Circle
Posts: 971