Apr 2, 2023, 5:01 pm
Last edit by: cblaisd
Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
[NAME] [OLD RATE] [NEW RATE]
Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
Mar 5, 2017 | 12:54 pm
#1126
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Germany, Austria
Programs: IHG Diamond - Lounge reward / IC Amb, Hilton Diamond, ALL Silver, Marriott Silver, WoH, Miles&More
Posts: 1,145
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La Bagnaia Golf & Spa Resort, Siena (Italy)
HH points 169,000 (Premium room rewards, Queen superior room)
€418 Honors Discount rate (P&M rate)
€0,0024733 value per HH point
La Bagnaia Golf & Spa Resort, Siena (Italy)
HH points 169,000 (Premium room rewards, Queen superior room)
€418 Honors Discount rate (P&M rate)
€0,0024733 value per HH point
Mar 6, 2017 | 2:34 am
#1128
Join Date: May 2014
Programs: HH Diamond,Virgin Gold, Hyatt Platinum
Posts: 271
Thank goodness i booked Hilton Vilamoura 2 weeks ago before the new slider was introduced
Booked 5 nights end of June on points for 30,000 a night with 5th night free
= 120,000 points total
Now under new system its either 60,000 a night with 5th night free 240,000 points total
or
120,000 points plus 1008 Euros cash......
Booked 5 nights end of June on points for 30,000 a night with 5th night free
= 120,000 points total
Now under new system its either 60,000 a night with 5th night free 240,000 points total
or
120,000 points plus 1008 Euros cash......
Mar 6, 2017 | 2:49 am
#1129
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,549
So what's the official verdict (from Lauren) on what seems like an outright lie from Hilton ?
Like most others, I just priced up a C+P for the HGI in Dubai. Last week it was 183 AED + 12K and now (with the new system) it is 256 AED + 12K.
Base cost is still the same (ie 30K per room) but it is clear that the C+P has gone up despite the promise that it would not exceed previous ?
Like most others, I just priced up a C+P for the HGI in Dubai. Last week it was 183 AED + 12K and now (with the new system) it is 256 AED + 12K.
Base cost is still the same (ie 30K per room) but it is clear that the C+P has gone up despite the promise that it would not exceed previous ?
That is over now.
Mar 6, 2017 | 3:18 am
#1130
Join Date: Sep 2007
Programs: AA, BA, Accor, Honors Diamond, IHG Diamond Elite and lots more....
Posts: 3,312
Thank goodness i booked Hilton Vilamoura 2 weeks ago before the new slider was introduced
Booked 5 nights end of June on points for 30,000 a night with 5th night free
= 120,000 points total
Now under new system its either 60,000 a night with 5th night free 240,000 points total
or
120,000 points plus 1008 Euros cash......
Booked 5 nights end of June on points for 30,000 a night with 5th night free
= 120,000 points total
Now under new system its either 60,000 a night with 5th night free 240,000 points total
or
120,000 points plus 1008 Euros cash......
I am simply not seeing any rooms at the capped points rate or lower at many hotels which begs the question as to how they can claim that the cap is still in place. This does seem to be false at many hotels.
It would be nice if Lauren could respond to these issues as currently loyalty to Hilton is deteriorating faster than a chocolate teapot with boiling water!!
Mar 6, 2017 | 4:34 am
#1131
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Yorkshire & Bangsaen
Programs: HH Diamond, EY Gold, AY Silver, MR Plat
Posts: 571
Thank goodness i booked Hilton Vilamoura 2 weeks ago before the new slider was introduced
Booked 5 nights end of June on points for 30,000 a night with 5th night free
= 120,000 points total
Now under new system its either 60,000 a night with 5th night free 240,000 points total
or
120,000 points plus 1008 Euros cash......
Booked 5 nights end of June on points for 30,000 a night with 5th night free
= 120,000 points total
Now under new system its either 60,000 a night with 5th night free 240,000 points total
or
120,000 points plus 1008 Euros cash......
Mar 6, 2017 | 5:48 am
#1132
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: MD/DC
Programs: Hilton Diamond, IHG Platinum, Marriott Titanium and LTP, TK Gold
Posts: 1,579
I think now the dust settled it is clear what is happening:
1. There is no more low/high season.
2. All redemptions for standard room are based on monetary value of 0.005 to 0.0055 $/point.
3. Number of points for standard room is capped at what was the high season (or maximal) number of points under the old tier system.
Practical implications:
1. As there is no more low season redemption - huge devaluation. I'm sure Hilton would say the prices would be lower and therefore required points will be lower - but the value was always was in the shoulder seasons (when points are low and prices are already high). No wonder Hilton plugged that hole.
2. If one redeemed only at high season - there will be no change.
3. The cap for standard room can change anytime and without an established tier system it will only go up and will do it without anyone noticing, or any advance notice.
Personally, as I'm using the points only in the old high season where points redemption saves me a very substantial sum in taxes - it would not affect me much, but still, I have to give it to Hilton - managing to cover a huge devaluation in a great spin off. Most customers would not even realize that the change is so bad.
1. There is no more low/high season.
2. All redemptions for standard room are based on monetary value of 0.005 to 0.0055 $/point.
3. Number of points for standard room is capped at what was the high season (or maximal) number of points under the old tier system.
Practical implications:
1. As there is no more low season redemption - huge devaluation. I'm sure Hilton would say the prices would be lower and therefore required points will be lower - but the value was always was in the shoulder seasons (when points are low and prices are already high). No wonder Hilton plugged that hole.
2. If one redeemed only at high season - there will be no change.
3. The cap for standard room can change anytime and without an established tier system it will only go up and will do it without anyone noticing, or any advance notice.
Personally, as I'm using the points only in the old high season where points redemption saves me a very substantial sum in taxes - it would not affect me much, but still, I have to give it to Hilton - managing to cover a huge devaluation in a great spin off. Most customers would not even realize that the change is so bad.
Mar 6, 2017 | 6:39 am
#1133
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 921
A hotel's IT department isn't responsible for determining the points rate for every hotel in the chain. That's not what IT departments do.
Mar 6, 2017 | 8:11 am
#1135
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: MCI
Programs: AA Gold 1MM, AS MVP, UA Silver, WN A-List, Marriott LT Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 53,012
I think now the dust settled it is clear what is happening:
1. There is no more low/high season.
2. All redemptions for standard room are based on monetary value of 0.005 to 0.0055 $/point.
3. Number of points for standard room is capped at what was the high season (or maximal) number of points under the old tier system.
Practical implications:
1. As there is no more low season redemption - huge devaluation. I'm sure Hilton would say the prices would be lower and therefore required points will be lower - but the value was always was in the shoulder seasons (when points are low and prices are already high). No wonder Hilton plugged that hole.
2. If one redeemed only at high season - there will be no change.
3. The cap for standard room can change anytime and without an established tier system it will only go up and will do it without anyone noticing, or any advance notice.
Personally, as I'm using the points only in the old high season where points redemption saves me a very substantial sum in taxes - it would not affect me much, but still, I have to give it to Hilton - managing to cover a huge devaluation in a great spin off. Most customers would not even realize that the change is so bad.
1. There is no more low/high season.
2. All redemptions for standard room are based on monetary value of 0.005 to 0.0055 $/point.
3. Number of points for standard room is capped at what was the high season (or maximal) number of points under the old tier system.
Practical implications:
1. As there is no more low season redemption - huge devaluation. I'm sure Hilton would say the prices would be lower and therefore required points will be lower - but the value was always was in the shoulder seasons (when points are low and prices are already high). No wonder Hilton plugged that hole.
2. If one redeemed only at high season - there will be no change.
3. The cap for standard room can change anytime and without an established tier system it will only go up and will do it without anyone noticing, or any advance notice.
Personally, as I'm using the points only in the old high season where points redemption saves me a very substantial sum in taxes - it would not affect me much, but still, I have to give it to Hilton - managing to cover a huge devaluation in a great spin off. Most customers would not even realize that the change is so bad.
The only theoretical benefits are:
- High season redemption when your account is slightly short of the points needed for the full award. You have 65k, award is 70k, now you can get full "value" from the 65k.
- Really, really low rate at a property that charges junk fees. Now, you might be willing to accept 0.005 if it also gets you out of a resort fee. These are undoubtedly going to be pretty rare. Maybe Vegas in the summer? Are there cheap Hiltons there that charge resort fees? (My only experience there is HGVC - no resort fee.)
Mar 6, 2017 | 11:26 am
#1136
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: MSP
Programs: UR, RR, MileagePLus, Dividend Miles (R.I.P), AAdvantage, HHonors, IHG, Skymiles
Posts: 108
To be hhonest, the worst part about the new program is that we now live in a world with only one major points/miles program with redundant letters in the spelling.
American Airlines' AAdvantage is the lone survivor of this once thriving clever marketing gimmick. It's a sad day indeed.
American Airlines' AAdvantage is the lone survivor of this once thriving clever marketing gimmick. It's a sad day indeed.
Mar 6, 2017 | 12:21 pm
#1137
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: HNL
Programs: Marriott Gold | Hilton Diamond | Hyatt Plat | UA 1K | HA Plat| Hertz President's circle
Posts: 588
If you have a lot of points like me, it is like we all invested in the Yugoslavia Dinar.. yesterday something was 30,000 today over 1 million.
Clearly a major devaluation sold as enhancements.
Mar 6, 2017 | 12:46 pm
#1138
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: SRQ
Posts: 291
Just to add another data point with existing P&M reservations:
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Niagara Falls New York, June 21-23 was $146 + 32,000 now $286 + 32,000 points
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Toronto Downtown, June 24-25 was CAD 199.69 + 32,000 now CAD 264.00 + 32,000 points
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Niagara Falls New York, June 21-23 was $146 + 32,000 now $286 + 32,000 points
DoubleTree by Hilton Hotel Toronto Downtown, June 24-25 was CAD 199.69 + 32,000 now CAD 264.00 + 32,000 points
Mar 6, 2017 | 12:58 pm
#1139
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: MCI
Programs: AA Gold 1MM, AS MVP, UA Silver, WN A-List, Marriott LT Titanium, HH Diamond
Posts: 53,012
To be hhonest, the worst part about the new program is that we now live in a world with only one major points/miles program with redundant letters in the spelling.
American Airlines' AAdvantage is the lone survivor of this once thriving clever marketing gimmick. It's a sad day indeed.
American Airlines' AAdvantage is the lone survivor of this once thriving clever marketing gimmick. It's a sad day indeed.
(At least, I'm pretty sure it used to be AAdmiral's Club...)
Mar 6, 2017 | 1:36 pm
#1140
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: LAX
Posts: 11,600
next both will eliminate standard awards and voila - a cashback program with fake currency they can manipulate at will