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Hilton Properties Devalued 5k → 10k & 10k → 20k for standard award:
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
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Loyalty Lobby Article with the List of Hotels that Changed: https://loyaltylobby.com/2019/06/17/hilton-honors-award-chart-changes-june-2019/
Consolidated "Points Devaluation" thread
#1006




Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Andover, MA, 01810
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According to the fine print, absolutely. With regard to actual impact on customers, not so much.
#1008
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Posts: 24,150
The outsized value left is where the cash price is significantly higher than .05x the cap for the property. Gone are the days of getting seasonal pricing in the low end of the range despite a high cash price for the day.
But a 30k cap still seems to be holding even on a night that otherwise would be $300 or more.
Points and cash is completely gutted. But we all knew it would be as soon as they announced it would be linear.
But a 30k cap still seems to be holding even on a night that otherwise would be $300 or more.
Points and cash is completely gutted. But we all knew it would be as soon as they announced it would be linear.
I simply see Hilton now as offering a refund of the $s I spend by giving me back 1/2 cent per $1 spent to be used towards a so called free night or partial free night.
Having dropped Hyatt I came back to Hilton seems my stay will be extremely short, with 20 Stays thus far I will do the remaining 10 to be Diamond then use up the pts and not look back.
#1009




Join Date: Mar 2007
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One HH property I've enjoyed staying at in the past on weekend trips is the Hampton Truckee/South Lake Tahoe in California. In the past it has been 30k offseason, 40k high season. With this change it's now 60k/night on weekends.
#1010
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 921
I assume that we're going to see people posting all sorts of these examples but it's very curious that there wasn't more discussion of this when Hilton announced these changes. It was obvious points and cash was being taken away as we knew it. What did people think "linear" was going to mean?
I'm ok with devaluation outrage. But I'm surprised now that people seem to be surprised.
From the day they announced this, the math was pretty much knowable.
I'm ok with devaluation outrage. But I'm surprised now that people seem to be surprised.
From the day they announced this, the math was pretty much knowable.
Obviously, this doesn't apply to everyone as some have posted positive changes!
#1013
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Springfield, MA
Programs: HH Diamond, IHG Diamond, Marriott Platinum, Hyatt Discoverist
Posts: 476
Well, I ended up saving 44,000 points on my Hong Kong Conrad stay in December-going from 160,000 to 116,000-so this actually worked out well for me. I changed from a superior to a classic room, but there is no difference in description. Maybe I saved because it is right before Christmas, or because it is so far out-still, 44,000 is a BIG difference! And I will still be diamond at that point, hopefully, I will get a super room from that as my diamond status here in the US has done nothing.
#1014
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Another data point, comparing an existing two night points + money booking I have at the Homewood Suites by Hilton Boston Logan Airport Chelsea with the new system.
Current booking: $189.89 + 40,000 points
New system: $314.64 + 40,000 points
This is for a "Standard Room Reward". Good grief.
Neil
Current booking: $189.89 + 40,000 points
New system: $314.64 + 40,000 points
This is for a "Standard Room Reward". Good grief.
Neil
#1015
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Join Date: Jul 2002
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Those were a fantastic value to be sure, but they were a needle in a haystack to begin with.
#1016



Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Paradise
Posts: 1,696
Totally agree. And it doesn't help that people appear to be looking for and posting their findings related solely to devaluations. Those that are hellbent on finding and posting devals seem to be overlooking and ignoring hotels in their posts where you can get better point rates than before. A few have even gone as far as posting specifics on devals (hotels names, before and after rates)...then hinting ever so slightly they found better rates at other hotels without posting any info.
Obviously, this doesn't apply to everyone as some have posted positive changes!
#1017
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Well, I ended up saving 44,000 points on my Hong Kong Conrad stay in December-going from 160,000 to 116,000-so this actually worked out well for me. I changed from a superior to a classic room, but there is no difference in description. Maybe I saved because it is right before Christmas, or because it is so far out-still, 44,000 is a BIG difference! And I will still be diamond at that point, hopefully, I will get a super room from that as my diamond status here in the US has done nothing.
Just something to keep in mind if classic is technically a downgrade from superior.
#1018




Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Antwerpen - Belgium
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Posts: 662
Prices seem to fluctuate constantly.
Hilton Millennium Bangkok was 22k this morning, 19k a few hours later and now 30k for a standard room award...??
Hilton Millennium Bangkok was 22k this morning, 19k a few hours later and now 30k for a standard room award...??
#1020




Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: PHX
Posts: 4,815
This could be the IT working itself out. Or, for properties that are at or around the 1/2 cent per point range of the cap for cash reservations, this may be the new normal. Point prices now will likely be as dynamic as cash, since the two are tied for many reservations.



